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    1. Allison would make a wonderful club DJ, because she's still spinning her story about being rejected. Too bad because I liked her--I don't think she was looking for a man with money, but I don't think there was that much chemistry between her and Evan.

    And in the end, it's Evan's choice, not mine. (I'm a sucker for that red-hair/milky skin combination, what can I say?)

    2. If someone can give Heidi a pack of Reese's Pieces and a Speak-and-Spell, she can damn well return to whatever planet she came from. Thanks.

    I'm glad we weren't subjected to another three or four weeks with her--good job, Evan! Anyone else notice she uses the tired reality-show excuse for being portrayed like a villain: "I have an assertive personality." If I had a nickel for every time one of these meatballs said that, I would have enough to retire to the French chateau.

    3. Okay, okay--Zora has a tough life and a sweet demeanor. I get it, Fox. Did you have to cram it down my throat? They portrayed her so PERFECTLY I expected Paul at the end to be holding an invitation for Zora to visit the Vatican and be sanctified.

    4. Sarah gets knocked around on this board a lot. I don't see it. She's smart, she's assertive without becoming Heidi, and I think she's attractive. So what if she did some videos? But I'm not the only one who caught the gesture she made with the sock. And then she tried to play it off by saying "kiss" loudly on camera to cover up the comment she thought DIDN'T make it on camera. (But of course it did.) Still with me?

    6. I was wondering how Fox could drag this out another 50 minutes, but amazingly, they did. Yes, they had me when Evan chose to speak with Zora first. And they had me again when she showed up at the end--looking dynamite, by the way--giving Evan a small piece of her mind.

    7. The twist ending that wasn't: Fox is like a boyfriend (or girlfriend) who lies, cheats and steals from us, shows up on the doorstep the next day with roses, excuses, promises not do it again, and a "I'm-sorry-baby-it-won't-happen-again-I-swear" later, we're back together.

    They built up the ending so much, I don't think we would have been satisfied with anything, even if Paul was Zora's father, handed them each $50 million, gave us proof Heidi used to be a man, and then told Evan and Zora that the chateau is a living, haunted being and will devour them in the next ten minutes, and their only chance for escape is to believe in their true love and to run rilly, RILLY fast.

    8. BUT I liked the ending, I have to admit. Yes, I think most people on this board saw it coming weeks ago, and no, it wasn't much of a surprise, but they looked so damn sweet dancing together in the ballroom. For once, I was able to put aside my cynicism, world-weariness and murderous rage (just kidding) and smile at the end of a show. I escaped for a few minutes and enjoyed their happiness. And in the end, isn't that what television is designed to do?
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    Pretty new here too (I guess all the newbies are coming out of the woodwork, eh?) Anyway, here's my take.

    Rest assured, I'm no fan of FOX. Leave it to the network that took away quality shows like The Tick, Family Guy and Titus and instead give us "When good cheeze goes bad" or some drivel like that, I tend to not get my hopes up. I started watching JM under the same premise--great concept, but somehow they'll screw it up.

    Fortunately, such was not the case last night. While I was a little let down about the twist because it was too obvious, overall I enjoyed the show. And I gotta hand it to FOX's marketing guys, after last week's debacle they really pulled a rabbit out of a hat with this one. Personally, I would've liked the twist to be something like all the girls are just escorts we hired for a month, bugger off; or they're all transgendered or something like that. What can I say? I like to watch train wrecks.

    I didn't really feel too badly for Sarah, although I wanted to see some fireworks. I wanted her to say "I put out for you, I have more personality than Zora, my ta-ta's are much more fun to play with, look what you're losing!" But she kept it under control. I wanted to see her lose it, but she did the smart thing by not exploding.

    Up until last night's episode, I didn't care for Zora much. Others have mentioned the "Jan Brady" hair, and that always bugged me. I didn't think she was too interested simply because she had a hard time opening up to Joe. But she went way up in my book last night. She is a class act. She looked great when she walked in to the ballroom last night, better than I remember in the past.

    All things considered, I thought the show was very good last night, and I don't think FOX screwed things up too badly.

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    Well, I was annoyed that they pulled yet another bait 'n' switch with the first hour of the program. On the bright side, I got to see more of Amanda, who I still think was the most attractive one of the bunch. And she seemed funny, too, with her comments on the breast sizes of the five finalists. In addition, she apparently likes banjos, if Fox's editing is to be believed.

    The real meat of the show was pretty enjoyable, though. I've been thinking he'd pick Zora for weeks now, but for a while there, I did think he was going to dump her. Obviously, she thought so, too. Her face was very readable throughout that whole exchange.

    Sarah managed to hold that smile, but it definitely looked more strained to me than it did when he first sat down with her. Interesting to see the way he approached talking to both women. He saved his big secret for the end with Zora and didn't go into great detail about what he really does do or what his annual salary is. For Sarah, he got that money thing out there right away and provided quite a bit of detail, then pretty much hightailed it out of there.

    Yeah, the twist was kind of telegraphed, but overall, that final scene was a fitting end to the show. And, boy, after waiting all that time, Zora finally got her money's worth in the whole kissing department, didn't she? Wow, that was surprising.

    I couldn't tell if the preview for next week meant to imply that Evan and Zora hadn't seen each other at all since the show ended or if they would appear together in public for the first time since the show ended. Big difference, I think. It seems like it would be hard to sustain a relationship for that long with no contact whatsoever.
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    When they showed Sarah putting on her eyebrow pencil, it so made me wish for a version of What Not To Wear, only about makeup. I wanted to see Trinnie run in shouting at her "DROP IT RIGHT NOW!"

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    Originally posted by Paulie
    Well, I was annoyed that they pulled yet another bait 'n' switch with the first hour of the program. On the bright side, I got to see more of Amanda, who I still think was the most attractive one of the bunch. And she seemed funny, too, with her comments on the breast sizes of the five finalists. In addition, she apparently likes banjos, if Fox's editing is to be believed.

    The real meat of the show was pretty enjoyable, though. I've been thinking he'd pick Zora for weeks now, but for a while there, I did think he was going to dump her. Obviously, she thought so, too. Her face was very readable throughout that whole exchange.

    You know, it just occurred to me that with Fox's creative editing, he could have asked to speak with Sarah FIRST and Fox put the Sarah conversation LAST to throw us a curve.

    As for the other contestants, I was a Dana fan. In case you don't remember her, here's a not-very-good picture.
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    GREAT observations Phat!

    Steelcurtain and I agree with you about not feeling a little bit bad for her. Unfortunately, she held it together, but MAN was I wishing she'd go postal.

    I've said it before, but I'm thrilled with the ending. Great job.
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    Originally posted by phat32
    You know, it just occurred to me that with Fox's creative editing, he could have asked to speak with Sarah FIRST and Fox put the Sarah conversation LAST to throw us a curve.
    Excellent point. They could well have done that. Your other points were well-made, too, BTW.
    When you're ten years old and a car drives by and splashes a puddle of water all over you, it's hard to decide if you should go to school like that or try to go home and change and probably be late. So while he was trying to decide, I drove by and splashed him again. - Jack Handey

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    BTW, I thought it was very humorous that Sarah wound up "taking everything at face value" after disparaging Zora for doing the same thing.
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    Originally posted by Miss Filangi
    GREAT observations Phat!
    Thank you, Miss F., THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
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    Originally posted by Paulie
    BTW, I thought it was very humorous that Sarah wound up "taking everything at face value" after disparaging Zora for doing the same thing.
    Haha--good point. What do the propeller-head psychologists call that? Transference? Projection?

    And thanks for the nice words, Paulie.
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