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    Re: For animal lovers

    Nliedel, thank you for your testimony about your experience. I would love to know for sure they didn't check out Ellen prior to her adoption. That's a verrry interesting tidbit. Hasn't Ellen gone through several pets just since her show's been on? I love her, but I seem to recall she's mentioned a few times about having a dog that didn't work out. Had M&M done their homework, they may have realized Iggy might not stay with her and could have turned her down. It's a sad situation, no matter how you look at it.

    No one can blame M&M for wanting to do a home study follow-up, and there's always some hoop jumping that goes on when adopting a pet. Hell, there's major hoop jumping when adopting a child for that matter. Mr. Rose and I were screened out the whazoo, had to supply fingerprints, character references, access to all our finances, two home visits months apart, in order to adopt our daughter. All the while, several streets over a family was cranking out babies right and left and had zip parenting skills or interest. It's just the way the world goes round, I guess.

    Playing devil's advocate here, I suppose M&M may have worried that because it was Ellen, word might get out about the moving of the dog which in turn might set a possible dangerous precedence. Others would hear she passed the dog along, therefore they can, too, only they might not be as discerning about where it gets placed. However, once they made the home visit and saw he was in a loving home, I don't understand why they wouldn't see fit to make an exception. It definitely comes across that the owner is severely pissed that she wasn't informed of the exchange, so she's stamping her foot and drawing a line in the sand. So sad for all involved. I saw a piece on this last ngiht on ET (or one of those shows) and someone representing M&M (I'm not sure if it was the owner) said, "they'll never get that dog back now!" due to the backlash M&M has received.

    We've found three dogs over the years at our local shelter and had to have them spayed/neutered, pay processing fees, then were contacted by phone twice to check up on them. All of this seemed quite reasonable to us. Perhaps MRD has a good point, they're now unable to cite Ellen as a satisfied customer, so they're also pissed about that.

    ETA: Edited to add response to nliedel.
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    Re: For animal lovers

    I'm not saying anyone is wrong or right in this situation. But if Ellen has cats that don't get along with dogs, maybe she should just be a cat person.
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    Anyone who adopts an animal from a shelter will now:

    1) Fix the chip immediately
    2) LIE to the shelter if they must find a new home for the pet.


    I think it's probably important for the shelter to have some right to know the animal's well being and whereabouts for at least some period of time, as what's to prevent someone with children who wants a dog from having "Grandma" fib and pose as the potential adopter and undergo the screening process ?

    I do, however, still maintain that the momsters took the low road on this, and have created a PR nightmare for themselves. I can't believe the family allowed them to remove the dog from their home. I would have had the mom's removed. But given the chip-check, it appears the Police were indeed involved at some point. ( Those poor kids. ) I also think the quick new placement of Iggy means that perhaps someone else had wanted Iggy originally and that was part of their half-arsed decision making process.
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    I signed papers when we adopted our beloved Henry. I'm SO never giving him away. I thinks it's awful that this M&M place is not giving him back. He's been in at least 6 places (Original home/street life, shelter, Ellen's, hairdresser's, shelter again and now this new home). That is just ridiculous. People should stop thinking of the legalaties and start thinking about what would be best for this dog. IMO - give him back to the little girl.
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    Attention Cat Whisperers

    I guess I could have posted this in the "talk about troubles" thread ... but I am hoping for some understanding and suggestions from folks here.

    I help with the care giving for an elderly lady, but really, it's just more in the realm of friendly visiting and companionship, making sure she eats, etc. She is amazing and very self-sufficient for her age ... she'll be 99 in a couple of months. I have been going to her home to visit, etc. for several months.

    What's troubling me is there is a resident feline. She is a beautiful 4-year-old neutered female, with shiny, almost all black, fur that looks to be very soft. But since she hisses at everyone, I've kept my hands to myself and haven't touched her or invaded her space. I am an animal lover, so I have talked to her, called her by name, and she even once ate a tiny piece of chicken I set down for her, even though she is very finicky and doesn't eat treats, etc.

    Last week, out of the blue and with no provocation, Kitty attacked me. All of a sudden she meow-screamed, went up like every Halloween Cat in front of the moon picture you've seen .... arched back, etc. ... did a flat-footed stalk-walk towards me and started striking at my legs. When I walked away she kept coming and struck aggressively enough to scratch me several times through my jeans.

    I was stunned. The cat seemed to have been warming up to me over time ... about two months ... and had even come close, smelled my shoes, etc.

    Thinking she was just having a bad day, I went back yesterday and while a neighbor was visiting, kitty acted fairly normal. As soon as the neighbor left, the cat started coming to find me from one direction, ( across the dining room table) and when I looked through the doorway from a distance, she did an angry, wide open-mouth hiss. I said OK and turned to exit the room through the other doorway, and there was kitty waiting and watching. So I turned my back and the cat started "talking" ... sort of like a mean-ish meow-growl ... so I just stopped ... didn't move ... and the elderly lady had to come save me with a broom and then lock the cat in the bedroom. While in the bedroom, the cat sounded like Cujo the Cat, wanting to get out of course. So I left ... and the owner-lady asked me to stand outside the glass storm-door and watch while she let Kitty out of the bedroom. But as soon as the cat saw me, her ears started twitching and her hair went up on her back a little.

    As said ... the cat hisses at everyone, appears to be spoiled and attached to the lady ... but she hasn't "attacked" the other visitor companion ... or anyone that I know of and I feel just terrible. I do think the cat scratches the lady, ... I've seen scratches on her arms and legs ... but she says it's just "playing". I did nothing (that I know of) to anger the cat, and something like this has never happened to me. They say the cat has never done anything like this before.

    I have only had one fur baby of the feline persuasion, but in general I've never disliked or been afraid of cats. I've always gotten along well with kids and animals and they seem to take to me. ( adults ).
    I have a dog, but so does the other visitor companion and the neighbor.

    I don't want to stop visiting, but that may be the only prudent choice.

    Does anyone have any experience with something like this or have a clue as to what may have happened to make this cat turn against me ? I'd be grateful for any input or insight from the many cat owners and lovers here.

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    Personally, I think that if the cat has had success at intimidating you, then she may continue. In my house, one kitty intimidating another to the point where intimidating kitty caused stalked kitty to lose 3 pounds, and I had to come to stalked kitty's rescue. It was a matter of showing stalker kitty who was really boss. Cats often do not like the sound of rustling that the plastic grocery store bags make, and will take off if you shake one at her. I also have a water pistol that I have seldom have had to use after the first time. Neither of these things will hurt the cat, but it will interrupt the bad behavior. You might run these things past the cat's owner before you use them. Sounds like kitty's claws need to be trimmed, too (we're all front declawed in my house, so nobody gets hurt). Is there a possiblility that kitty is nuts?? Sure there is, but since it only seems to be directed at you, probably not. I think you are her entertainment, and she is enjoying upsetting/stalking you! I highly recommend the water pistol for Miss BadButt! It will get to the point where all you have to do is show the water pistol to kitty, and she will take off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prhoshay;2620109;
    Personally, I think that if the cat has had success at intimidating you, then she may continue. In my house, one kitty intimidating another to the point where intimidating kitty caused stalked kitty to lose 3 pounds, and I had to come to stalked kitty's rescue. It was a matter of showing stalker kitty who was really boss. Cats often do not like the sound of rustling that the plastic grocery store bags make, and will take off if you shake one at her. I also have a water pistol that I have seldom have had to use after the first time. Neither of these things will hurt the cat, but it will interrupt the bad behavior. You might run these things past the cat's owner before you use them. Sounds like kitty's claws need to be trimmed, too (we're all front declawed in my house, so nobody gets hurt). Is there a possiblility that kitty is nuts?? Sure there is, but since it only seems to be directed at you, probably not. I think you are her entertainment, and she is enjoying upsetting/stalking you! I highly recommend the water pistol for Miss BadButt! It will get to the point where all you have to do is show the water pistol to kitty, and she will take off.
    Thanks, prhoshay. A friend suggested adding vinegar to water in a spray bottle ... but I like the water pistol idea better ... more control. Would adding vinegar be any more effective ... and would it hurt kitty ? I don't want to do that ... even though she wants me bad !

    The family said they have a " hell of a time trying to get kitty in the carrier ( no kidding) to go to the vet for nail clipping. I'm going to suggest he put on a heavy jacket, glove -up, put the cat in the carrier and have the cat claw-clipped and evaluated.

    Seriously, my first concern was that the kitty was sick ... and thus, I think an evaluation by a cat-specialist vet is in order, but that would be the family's decision. I think front de-clawing is a good idea, but the cat might still attack and go to it's second option ... biting. In any case, declawing is another personal choice, and not my call.

    I may visit next week while the other caregiver is there and bring a water pistol.
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    Did you all hear or read about that horrible pet massacre in Peurto Rico ? I posted an article in the Current Events thread here:

    http://www.fansofrealitytv.com/forum...ml#post2620465
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    Re: For animal lovers

    Quote Originally Posted by echo226;2620446;
    The family said they have a " hell of a time trying to get kitty in the carrier ( no kidding) to go to the vet for nail clipping. I'm going to suggest he put on a heavy jacket, glove -up, put the cat in the carrier and have the cat claw-clipped and evaluated.

    Seriously, my first concern was that the kitty was sick ... and thus, I think an evaluation by a cat-specialist vet is in order, but that would be the family's decision. I think front de-clawing is a good idea, but the cat might still attack and go to it's second option ... biting. In any case, declawing is another personal choice, and not my call.

    I may visit next week while the other caregiver is there and bring a water pistol.
    I don't see any added benefit to putting vinegar in the sprayer.

    I would not have a four year old cat declawed , in any case, if she is already mean she probably would start biting. But, I have another idea-- when the kitty does go to the vet to get the claws clipped, the family might like to know about Soft Claws (or Soft Paws?) which are sold at Petsmart, etc. They are little vinyl caps that go on the cat's claws to make scratching less dangerous! It could be worth a try.
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    Re: For animal lovers

    Water in a sprayer is just fine, no needs to add anything. I am totally against declawing period, because they also take the toe off to the first knuckle. But having any declawing done past 6 months to a year can mean problems. My ex roommate (long story) took my late Mona, along with the existing Joey behind my back totally against my wishes to be declawed, Mona was 4 or 5 at the time, and to the day she died, her walk was affected, as was her jumping sometimes.

    For heavens sake, clipping claws does not need to be that traumatic, that the cat needs to go to a vet? Patience is the key word even if it is only 1 claw a day. I have it down now where Joey just lays there like "ok ok get it over with". Done in a minute or two, but you need to know how far NOT to go. I do of people who have the claw covers and they work, but again I have never had a scratching problem with any cats in my life, and prior to these two they had their claws. It takes patience when they are kittens and a firm NO, but no raised voices no yelling.
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