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    Quote Originally Posted by veejer;2786157;
    A couple of weeks ago I was at the funeral for a gentleman from our church who was a retired Lt. Col. from WWII and I thought of you. He was buried in his uniform and it still fit!!! I was not able to make the graveside service, but heard that the presentation of the flag and the 15 gun salute were both very moving.
    My father-in-law received a military funeral with full honors. They are so impressive. He was buried in a National cemetary and dozens of these funerals are done each week. They plated Taps and it always brings tears to my eyes. He was buried in his uniform too and it still fit him as well!!!

    My husband would love to have the flag now that his mom is gone, but the (I can't say the bad words) SIL that has it won't give it up.

    The Civil Rights thing was just absolutely amazing.
    Found out some very interesting things and these two men (two dropped of the panel because they were sick) were just incredible. One if my husbands new boss.
    They spoke a bit and then opened it up to questions. They were asked how come they aren't bitter now and both men said, why be bitter. It's negative. They had some positive experiences (despite getting arrested several times) but that integration was fairly peaceful here and they had no animosity towards anyone. The goal was bring everyone, black and white together and having bitterness would have not reached that goal. But both said thew knew people that were still very, very bitter.

    One thing that they kept saying that I think was the key for them and is the key now that we don't have was this: "my parents...", "my father.....", "my mother...."
    So many of their stories started off and revolved around a very tight family unit and they did say that they do not think that today's kids have that tight of a family unit today.

    They also said that they think the movement went from the 60's to about 1998 really well, but that since 1998 until now, tey see it backsliding in our society.

    Another VERY interesting thing: They were asked what they've told their children and grandchildren. ONe man spoke and said that he doesn't want to hang all that on his kids and keep reminding them about it. The other said that the black community has looked towards the Jewish community for advice and help on how to keep this story alive without it becoming too much of a burden on their own kids. Since the Jewish community has said "never forget" about the Holocost, they are helping the black community find ways to balance telling the stories without making it a burden on subsequent generations.

    All in all a very moving evening. And to imagine that these were high school kids when they started this. One was my daughter's age of 16 and he was the ONLY African American to integrate his highschool for the first year. He said he went to school all year with a police escort. But he also told a funny story saying he came home and told his dad: "daddy, I'm going to play football" and his dad said: "son, you're crazy. They're looking for a reason to beat the you know what out of you and now you're going to give them a reason where its ok for them to do it?" He did play football and became fairly famous as being the first African American player to integrate highschool football in this city. He also said that they learned early on to give him the ball because no one wanted to touch him because he was black. So he became the team's secret weapon. Give it to Ricky, and he'll get it through, because no one wants to tackle him.

    I just had to marvel at the level of bravery these "kids" showed and their parents. Their parents knew what could happen and still encouraged them to do these things because they knew if they didn't, it would NEVER get any better.
    Just an incredible evening.

    Oh and one other thing. My husband's boss, Jimmy, said that when he got arrested for the lunch counter protest, that his name was in the paper and it mentioned his parents as well. His dad LOST HIS JOB because of his son getting arrested for protesting. A lot of parents were scared of that very thing and didn't allow their kids to protest. But he said his dad never held it against him ad told him that they would "get by" but it was important for him to continue to push this and get these laws repealed whether he lost his job or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CantGetNuf;2787902;
    Ok I have a rant. Today I called the H&R Block office that we had our taxes done at to find out the status of our refund check. I know ya'll don't know me but I am a very friendly and polite person. Heres how our conversation went.


    Me: I'd like to know the status of my refund check.

    Her: (Everything she said was very rude and abrupt.) Call the number on the back of your envelope.

    Me: I got the card.

    Her: Call that number its the same.

    Me: Could you give me the number as I don't have the card with me.

    Her: No I am busy back here bringing up....(Something to do with taxes.)

    Me: Is there anyone there who can give me the number?

    Her: No they're all busy prepareing returns.

    Me: (By this time tired of her attitude.) Could you be any more rude?

    Her: Yes.

    Me: Oh really? I'm sure your manager would love to hear that. Can I have your name again?

    Her: Ma'am I'm bringing the number up right now.

    Me: Ok

    Her: If you had a stressful job like I do you'd be rude too.

    Me: (Speechless)

    Her: (Gave me the number and hung up.)

    I'd like to point out that I am an administrator for an assisted living facility. My job is 365 days of stressful. I don't have any sympathy for her just because her job is stressful this time of year. I know I am far from being the only person who has called and asked for the number, is it to much to ask them to write it down and have it near the telephone for quick reference?
    WOW....how incredibly rude of her! When she told you if you had a stressful job as hers you'd be rude too, I would have replied - "Well, ma'm, I DO have a very stressful job like yours, but it doesnt justify being rude to others". There is absolutely NO sense in acting that rude when working with the public.
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    Re: FORT Koffee Klatch

    Quote Originally Posted by myrosiedog;2788129;
    The Civil Rights thing was just absolutely amazing.
    Found out some very interesting things and these two men (two dropped of the panel because they were sick) were just incredible. One if my husbands new boss.
    They spoke a bit and then opened it up to questions. They were asked how come they aren't bitter now and both men said, why be bitter. It's negative. They had some positive experiences (despite getting arrested several times) but that integration was fairly peaceful here and they had no animosity towards anyone. The goal was bring everyone, black and white together and having bitterness would have not reached that goal. But both said thew knew people that were still very, very bitter.

    One thing that they kept saying that I think was the key for them and is the key now that we don't have was this: "my parents...", "my father.....", "my mother...."
    So many of their stories started off and revolved around a very tight family unit and they did say that they do not think that today's kids have that tight of a family unit today.
    In my humble opinion, while I greatly enjoy computers etc., I DO think the INFORMATION AGE has a lot to do with the family unit NOT being as close knit.


    Quote Originally Posted by myrosiedog;2788129;
    They also said that they think the movement went from the 60's to about 1998 really well, but that since 1998 until now, tey see it backsliding in our society.

    Another VERY interesting thing: They were asked what they've told their children and grandchildren. ONe man spoke and said that he doesn't want to hang all that on his kids and keep reminding them about it. The other said that the black community has looked towards the Jewish community for advice and help on how to keep this story alive without it becoming too much of a burden on their own kids. Since the Jewish community has said "never forget" about the Holocost, they are helping the black community find ways to balance telling the stories without making it a burden on subsequent generations.
    Maybe its just me, but how could telling your story to pass it down, become a burden? I think it goes back to "if it is boring I don't want to hear it." I have a friend who is going to be 25 this year and he absolutely refuses to watch black & white movies or old tv shows because the are "boring" It is a good thing that the Jewish and Black Communities are working together.


    Quote Originally Posted by myrosiedog;2788129;
    All in all a very moving evening. And to imagine that these were high school kids when they started this. One was my daughter's age of 16 and he was the ONLY African American to integrate his highschool for the first year. He said he went to school all year with a police escort. But he also told a funny story saying he came home and told his dad: "daddy, I'm going to play football" and his dad said: "son, you're crazy. They're looking for a reason to beat the you know what out of you and now you're going to give them a reason where its ok for them to do it?" He did play football and became fairly famous as being the first African American player to integrate highschool football in this city. He also said that they learned early on to give him the ball because no one wanted to touch him because he was black. So he became the team's secret weapon. Give it to Ricky, and he'll get it through, because no one wants to tackle him.

    I just had to marvel at the level of bravery these "kids" showed and their parents. Their parents knew what could happen and still encouraged them to do these things because they knew if they didn't, it would NEVER get any better.
    Just an incredible evening.

    Oh and one other thing. My husband's boss, Jimmy, said that when he got arrested for the lunch counter protest, that his name was in the paper and it mentioned his parents as well. His dad LOST HIS JOB because of his son getting arrested for protesting. A lot of parents were scared of that very thing and didn't allow their kids to protest. But he said his dad never held it against him ad told him that they would "get by" but it was important for him to continue to push this and get these laws repealed whether he lost his job or not.

    The football story is great, and there is another difference between then & now with the parents and the job situation. I'm not sure many parents would be that forgiving today, as it is not as easy to "get by".

    GREAT POST myrosiedog. THANKS
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    Cantgetnuf - I would definitely email H & R Block about this. The employee needs to be gone.

    As for the GUTMUTTER situation - This will be my last post - I think she should do what she wants to do. Seriously why should she care if Dan wants her there? Yes - I think he has problems, but I don't believe by her going, it will do anything except frazzle her nerves. If it were me and I did NOT have a cell phone, with a total 3 hour trip under even the remotest threat of foul weather - I would NOT get in my car. -- If it meant so much for her to be there today, why is it, she did not know that he needed a button down white shirt until 7:00 LAST NIGHT. NAW stay home dear lady and use the weather as your out.
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    I have really enjoyed reading your posts, MRD. You always seem to give us something to think about, pray about, laugh about, cry about. Inspirational is a word that comes to mind. Thanks!

    I don't believe, either, that it could be a "burden" when it is history. I don't believe that the retelling of the holocaust is a burden in the listening. I think we have to remember these so they never happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by famita;2788188;
    I don't believe, either, that it could be a "burden" when it is history. I don't believe that the retelling of the holocaust is a burden in the listening. I think we have to remember these so they never happen again.
    That is part of what I do not understand. We need to know what happened so we know why we are where we are today. I can't believe that so many people don't even know what the Cuban Missle Crisis was, and how terrifying it could have been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabriel;2788183;
    Cantgetnuf - I would definitely email H & R Block about this. The employee needs to be gone.

    As for the GUTMUTTER situation - This will be my last post - I think she should do what she wants to do. Seriously why should she care if Dan wants her there? Yes - I think he has problems, but I don't believe by her going, it will do anything except frazzle her nerves. If it were me and I did NOT have a cell phone, with a total 3 hour trip under even the remotest threat of foul weather - I would NOT get in my car. -- If it meant so much for her to be there today, why is it, she did not know that he needed a button down white shirt until 7:00 LAST NIGHT. NAW stay home dear lady and use the weather as your out.

    about Dan's event. And one thing you may not know, gabriel, is that school children (of which Dan is one, and this fact doesn't seem to go away) will not tell you that they need something until immediately before they need it!! Have you seen the commercial where the little boy tells his mom he needs something like 7 dozen cookies for school the night before he needs them? Kids are told/know well in advance that they need something crucial, but you may hear about it (in panic mode) the morning that they need it. You really want to wring their "little kid necks". I don't know if this happens more with boys than girls, but that would not surprise me. I've always thought that teachers should post their teaching plans, assignments and class activities on line so that parents can pull it up and see what is going on. But children also need to learn that some responsiblity for pertinent information getting where it is supposed to get....and I don't mean 30 minutes before it is needed, and it requires a shopping trip. I have definitely allowed my son to be embarassed/disappointed by not having something due to his lack of responsibility. Oh well.......

    gabriel, your response, I think, speaks to the differences in the way men would deal with "our slugs" as opposed to the way that women, sometimes, tend to want to deal with "our slugs". I, like you, would get off the "Dan train" if he was being so reluctant in cooperation. He'd have to show me something before I decided to get back on again!
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    Re: FORT Koffee Klatch

    Quote Originally Posted by gabriel;2788194;
    That is part of what I do not understand. We need to know what happened so we know why we are where we are today. I can't believe that so many people don't even know what the Cuban Missle Crisis was, and how terrifying it could have been.
    I was about 6 months old during the Cuban Missle Crisis. We lived in SW Florida, so my parents told me repeatedly about how truly scared they were because Cuba wasn't all that far away. My dad used to take weekend jaunts to Cuba from Miami (before he married my mom and they had me) and how a trip to Cuba was very normal and common place for most people in Florida and it was so close that it was a cheap and easy weekend away. So having been there and knowing how close they really were, I think my parents were TERRIFIED when the Cuban Missle Crisis happened. That and my dad's reserve unit got called back up and he had to report to the closest Naval Station (at that time he had to go to Jacksonville, FL) and leave my mom home alone with me. They both even decades later were still talking about the fear and that always stuck with me.

    So I think that they need to pass along these stories from Civil Rights and other history and here's an example.

    One of the gentlemen told about taking his son and daughter-in-law out for dinner and her food was cold and something else was wrong with it, so she made a big deal about it and had the server take it back and apparantly went on and on about it to the rest of them at the table. He said he so wanted to say to her: "do you think that I could have done that at that lunch counter? I couldn't even GET them to serve me a hamburger and had it been cold, I wouldn't have DARED send it back, so you're lucky you have the right to sit in this restaurant and send back the food that isn't to your liking"

    But because he did sit at that lunch counter and he got arrested for it, today his daughter-in-law can go in any restaurant in the country and not only get served, but can actually complain about the food. Now I think he should have told her that.
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    Ditto - Prhoshay!!

    I become sooo frustrated with my son about this same thing... it's not even funny. The boy will clean out his folder every once in a while and lo and behold - notices for ME. What a surprise!

    Oh yeah, mom - I need such and such by tomorrow am. -- uhhhh, not gonna happen? KIDS!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabriel;2788180;
    In my humble opinion, while I greatly enjoy computers etc., I DO think the INFORMATION AGE has a lot to do with the family unit NOT being as close knit.


    Maybe its just me, but how could telling your story to pass it down, become a burden? I think it goes back to "if it is boring I don't want to hear it." I have a friend who is going to be 25 this year and he absolutely refuses to watch black & white movies or old tv shows because the are "boring" It is a good thing that the Jewish and Black Communities are working together.





    The football story is great, and there is another difference between then & now with the parents and the job situation. I'm not sure many parents would be that forgiving today, as it is not as easy to "get by".

    GREAT POST myrosiedog. THANKS
    A lot of parents back then couldn't afford to lose their jobs either and discouraged their kids from getting involved. But also the black community came together and raised money for bail and for helping families that lost jobs due to the protests. Here in Greenville, there was also a huge push by the white business community to help the movement because they did not want Greenville in the news. They wanted this city to be seen as a peaceful, prosperous city and that by having angry, violent protests and making national headlines would not help the economy, so the white business owners (out of self interest) joined the black community to find peaceful solutions to the problems and that's why Greenville didn't have a lot of problems in the transitions that were made here.

    And what these gentlemen talked about the family unit was that today there is no family unit in many communities. Kids growing up without fathers, mothers having several children with different fathers. Having children out of wedlock, not having aunts and uncles and grandparents and especially fathers all together and raising the children in a family type enviroment. They talked about how the breakdown of "family" has become so prevalent in the black community and how it needs to get back to family and not "my baby daddy" type thing. Both men said that their fathers were active in church, the community and the family and that by having strong fathers at home, they learned to be strong men themselves. Both said that they were taught, you work and both had worked at early ages as well. One moved lawns from the time he was a young boy and the other had worked on a farm and they were taught a good work ethic by example and by their parents telling them, they had to work to help contribute to their church and their family.

    So I think that the common theme with both of them was strong, tight families with a father figure in the home and a sense of community (mostly by their churches and their black school teachers before integration) taught them to be morally and socially responsible and that a lot of that is missing in come communities today.
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