And thank you, lambikins. I'm printing out both recipes and will use whichever one I have all the ingredients for at home because I really do not feel like going to the grocery store tonight (it looks like rain). I know for a fact that I have Crisco, flour, water and vinegar, but the other contents of my pantry are a little blurry right now. Whichever one doesn't get used tonight I'll use next time, which will be fairly soon as I've promised Mr. Rattus a blueberry pie. Plus I've been getting a hankering to make some chicken pies for the freezer. Ooooh, the things I could do with a good crust recipe. Thanks so much for the help.