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    10/23 episode - *spoilers* (Final four challenge)

    Well, there isn't much to say about this. All four had overall wonderful concepts.

    That said the final three are Laura, Derek and Nicole.

    Roy indeed pulled a Rod and didn't quite listen to their advice, and it cost him. I have to say as much as I love his work - he should NEVER had put that red wig on the snake makeup. It cheapened the makeup by 10-fold. He'd easily been in the final three otherwise.

    That said - he will do well post-show for sure because he has such overall strong work - even here the makeup and sculpting itself was good in this piece. Roy's problem is he thinks you need to add stuff and sometimes that's not the right idea.

    He definitely helped improve the skills of the other contestants and while some may criticize that, I say they have a point for competition but he understands that there is a bigger picture here. I have to give him props for that, even if he's disappointed he wasn't in the final three.

    There is another reason - with Derek in the mix, I feel that we will have for sure a female winner this season. Laura and Nicole are overal very strong and can create the makeup needed to win this. Derek, I don't feel quite so much - out of the three I feel he's had the weakest makeup portfolio.

    I'd really like out of the two women for Laura to win as she didn't miss a single challenge, but Nicole has proven overall that she earned her spot.

    Definitely a strong final three, but one minor issue - given they say the winner will be announced Halloween night, does this mean we're having a two-day season finale?
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    Re: 10/23 episode - *spoilers* (Final four challenge)

    It's a live vote for the winner next week, so it sounds like two shows.

    OK, according to TV Guide, the final three compete next Tuesday night at 9 pm. The finale is Wednesday night at 10 pm (live).

    I thought for sure that this was Derek's week to screw up again. I'm kinda bummed that Roy went home, but he did it to himself by hiding his sculpting with that wig. (And pulling it through the ears.)

    I'm glad Laura won tonight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadewarlock View Post
    Well, there isn't much to say about this. All four had overall wonderful concepts.

    That said the final three are Laura, Derek and Nicole.

    Roy indeed pulled a Rod and didn't quite listen to their advice, and it cost him. I have to say as much as I love his work - he should NEVER had put that red wig on the snake makeup. It cheapened the makeup by 10-fold. He'd easily been in the final three otherwise.

    That said - he will do well post-show for sure because he has such overall strong work - even here the makeup and sculpting itself was good in this piece. Roy's problem is he thinks you need to add stuff and sometimes that's not the right idea.

    He definitely helped improve the skills of the other contestants and while some may criticize that, I say they have a point for competition but he understands that there is a bigger picture here. I have to give him props for that, even if he's disappointed he wasn't in the final three.

    There is another reason - with Derek in the mix, I feel that we will have for sure a female winner this season. Laura and Nicole are overal very strong and can create the makeup needed to win this. Derek, I don't feel quite so much - out of the three I feel he's had the weakest makeup portfolio.

    I'd really like out of the two women for Laura to win as she didn't miss a single challenge, but Nicole has proven overall that she earned her spot.

    Definitely a strong final three, but one minor issue - given they say the winner will be announced Halloween night, does this mean we're having a two-day season finale?
    jade . . .

    Gotcha.

    My slightly-different take on Roy is that it's NOT that he pulled a Rod and didn't listen about over-fabricating his work. After all, the main thing I recall the judges pitching a b about with him is that he ALWAYS --- or for the most part, anyway --- took his creations OTT with fabrications. Matter of fact, I remember him saying to McKenzie and the guest judge when they did their walkthrough was that for THIS challenge, he was listening to the judges and was NOT going to do any fabrications with this makeup at ALL.

    Which, for him, was MAJOR, simply because I think that in creating an attacker in this scenario, the door was WIDE open for him to blow things up and fabricate stuff clear into the middle of next week to flesh out his attacker.

    Personally, I think he stepped in it, smeared it around, and slipped and fell in it when:

    1. He put on, then DIDN'T get rid of, that godawful wig. What kills me about that is that right before they went out for the reveal, HE was saying he didn't like the wig; it wasn't working. WELL, HONEY, IN THAT CASE, TAKE THE DAMN THING OFF! He would've served his interests better if he HAD, in the long run. WHY he did not pay attention to his OWN makeup/costume misgivings, I'LL never know.

    2. WHY IN THE NAME OF TIME DID HE HAVE THOSE FANGS COMING OUT OF THE SNAKE'S CHEEKS, FOR GOD'S SAKE??? Oh, yeah. That's right. He said he did it because it was something he'd never seen before.

    Problem is, NOBODY ELSE'D NEVER SEEN FANGS COMING OUT OF A SNAKE'S OR SNAKE/HUMAN'S CHEEKS, EITHER, SO TO DO THAT DIDN'T MAKE LOGICAL COMMON SENSE!

    3. AND he PULLED PIECES OF HAIR FROM THAT FUGLY WIG THROUGH HOLES IN THE EARS???

    HUH?

    Please.

    So, to me, his sins here lay in NOT listening to HIS OWN MISGIVINGS ABOUT THAT WIG. PULLING HAIR FROM THE WIG THROUGH EAR HOLES IN THE FACE PIECE/MASK. And THE FANGS COMING OUT OF THE MAMA SNAKE'S CHEEKS, which, snake or snake/human, didn't make a lick of logical common sense.

    So, in trying to take even a "simple" makeup off the charts, he shot himself in the foot.

    Even though he had the goods to take it all the way.

    Too bad, so sad.

    Also, about his female characters?

    One thing that hit me tonight with this challenge is that Roy REALLY seems to have some sort of a boob fetish. His female pirate with daggers and knives coming out of her torso and back had a chest piece that showed a bit of boob, IIRC. His Queen DEFINITELY showed boob. Even though the nipples were pixilated during the show. And his mama snake might've had a motorcycle jacked on over her chest piece, but you could clearly see boob swells in the open jacket.

    And I have to give it to him, he knows was helping others means, and he knows how to be a gracious loser. Those are traits more people need.

    And I'm sure he learned something from this screwup.

    Bet he gets plenty of calls from Hollywood for his services!

    Even though she ROYALLY messed up on the construction of her wolf, Nicole --- since Roy tanked in the using his gray matter area --- had flipped the judges out with her prowess after her return. However, that piece was so poorly constructed that I believe if Roy'd REALLY used his brain and eyes, Nicole might possibly have been gone for the second time. That construction on hers just SUCKED.

    Derek was on enough of an upswing to have saved his rear, this week. Perfect? No. BUT, he was able to show the restraint that Roy WASN'T, so, he deserved F3. LOVED the chest/arms on that thing!

    After scaring me by second-guessing herself, then going ahead and doing what she had to do, Laura deserved the win.

    I think Laura'll take it all. Have NO clue about second and third places.

    We'll see.
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    I think Roy wins this week for sheer head-up-the-ass blindness. With all his talent, this is what he puts out for F4? c'mon. I think at one point I was literally yelling at the tv - take the damn wig off you idiot!
    how a bad porn star wig fit into his concept still baffles me. And the fangs? oh those hideous, hilarious fangs... so wrong.

    Nicole's wasn't great - I think she was the one who benefited from Roy's botched mess. Her concept could have been so cool and I just didn't get anything unique from her wolf, female or not.
    One thing that really helped her was her back to back wins. She had tons of momentum going in...the judges (even Ve said it) were eager to see more of her work.

    Derek really picked the right time to peak also. Last week's was strong and this week's was pretty cool. I liked the face sculpt and paint. He seems to be weak on details so we'll see.

    Laura! yippee for another win! Glad she's got that boost going in to F3.

    Our finalists? I'm still a little shocked that Roy fell apart this week. I figured Derek would be the one out. I'm loving Laura and Nicole for 1 and 2. Derek #3. That's my pick
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    I personally didn't have a problem with the fangs outside the cheeks. Some of the "Grimm" characters I've seen have odd placements for natural animals' faces. In fact, that's usually the point. I noticed the "Grimm" director didn't mention this as much for being a problem (though I think he didn't like it, but that's not saying it's a problem).

    Quote Originally Posted by ness View Post
    Also, about his female characters?

    One thing that hit me tonight with this challenge is that Roy REALLY seems to have some sort of a boob fetish. His female pirate with daggers and knives coming out of her torso and back had a chest piece that showed a bit of boob, IIRC. His Queen DEFINITELY showed boob. Even though the nipples were pixilated during the show. And his mama snake might've had a motorcycle jacked on over her chest piece, but you could clearly see boob swells in the open jacket.
    Yes, he does - but it always just feels like that with most of the guys. I think all have at least done one this way.

    And I have to give it to him, he knows was helping others means, and he knows how to be a gracious loser. Those are traits more people need.

    And I'm sure he learned something from this screwup.

    Bet he gets plenty of calls from Hollywood for his services!
    Totally agree here - I think out of the final four - he was the only one who really didn't need it as much. Not saying he didn't deserve it - until the stupid wig thing (which I think as far as removing it was too late because he had nothing for the person's natural hair), but he'll be OK.

    Like he said, he got to do a lot of things he never has, and therefore that expansion of knowledge with his natural talents overall will let him do well post-show. His attitude also helped tremendously: team player, kind, gracious in wins and losses.

    Even though she ROYALLY messed up on the construction of her wolf, Nicole --- since Roy tanked in the using his gray matter area --- had flipped the judges out with her prowess after her return. However, that piece was so poorly constructed that I believe if Roy'd REALLY used his brain and eyes, Nicole might possibly have been gone for the second time. That construction on hers just SUCKED.
    I think so, but given there's never been a female winner of this show, you know the judges were itching for a chance to put in two female finalists (providing of course they did at least good work). Nicole's construction was bad but she did have a good enough piece that all it took was for Roy to make the fatal red wig decision to get her in. I'm glad however she was gracious and genuinely shocked that she was a finalist.

    Out of the final three, I want Laura or Nicole - that order - to win.

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    BTW, this will be the first time since first season we have a female finalist (Sam and she finished fourth) and first with more than one.

    What got me most this season was that there was no nude body paint challenge. I wonder if something happened from the last season (where they had one person I think end up with exhaustion) or they just chose to not do nudes this year.

    Then again - with some of the contestants this may have been a good choice.

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    Re: 10/23 episode - *spoilers* (Final four challenge)

    Oh, no! I forgot it was on last night! That's the problem with ScyFy not being close to the network channels. I have to scroll quite a bit through the tv guide listings or the tv channels to see that it's on. I wasn't even thinking about it last night. Have to see if I can catch it online.
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    Re: 10/23 episode - *spoilers* (Final four challenge)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gala62 View Post
    I think Roy wins this week for sheer head-up-the-ass blindness. With all his talent, this is what he puts out for F4? c'mon. I think at one point I was literally yelling at the tv - take the damn wig off you idiot!
    how a bad porn star wig fit into his concept still baffles me. And the fangs? oh those hideous, hilarious fangs... so wrong.

    Nicole's wasn't great - I think she was the one who benefited from Roy's botched mess. Her concept could have been so cool and I just didn't get anything unique from her wolf, female or not.
    One thing that really helped her was her back to back wins. She had tons of momentum going in...the judges (even Ve said it) were eager to see more of her work.

    Derek really picked the right time to peak also. Last week's was strong and this week's was pretty cool. I liked the face sculpt and paint. He seems to be weak on details so we'll see.

    Laura! yippee for another win! Glad she's got that boost going in to F3.

    Our finalists? I'm still a little shocked that Roy fell apart this week. I figured Derek would be the one out. I'm loving Laura and Nicole for 1 and 2. Derek #3. That's my pick
    Gala . . .

    I sprayed Oreo crumbs all over my keyboard and screen at your "head-up-the-ass blindness" observation!

    Truer words were never spoken.

    LOL!

    And, yes, I agree with you that if Roy'd hit his mark like he should've, Nicole would've been out.

    Derek? I KNEW he was all over the place, and either up or down. Good observation by you that he seems to be weak on details. I believe that --- for the most part --- Nicole has it all over him in that aspect. And as we all know, the devil can be IN the details. If he doesn't get the detailing down and turn in the makeup/costume of his life, Nicole will do him in, I think. Oh, that and make the right choices in materials, too. That silicone chin of his that kept falling down during the superhero challenge did him NO favors.

    I think if Laura can hold it together and not give in to self-doubt, we'll see our first female winner.

    And, based on your observation, I'm also calling Laura, Nicole and Derek for the end, in that order.

    We could always be surprised, but that particular lineup makes too much sense, given how the past challenges since Nicole's return have transpired, I think.
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    ness...dearest....if you MUST spray Oreos, remember to avoid keyboards. Nasty cleanup those keyboards (don't ask me how I know this!)

    ITA Roy will see a great deal of interest after this - he is so talented and a great team player. damn funny too. Just keep him away from the wig area and we're good to go.

    Do we have any spoilers on what the final challenge is going to be?
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