Ness, I get where you are coming from in regards to the injuries and continuing. It's hard not to question the smarts of people who don't decide to bag it when their body begins to pay a price. When I first read your posts I was shaking my head, totally agreeing with your sentiments and then it dawned on me that it's really no different than any other physical challenge that makes a person want to push themselves beyond what they imagine they can manage. I was involved in martial arts in what is referred to as middle age and I could not stand allowing my body to dictate what I could accomplish and I wasn't the only one. There were times that we would be participating in drills one handed because the other was injured, only kicking with one foot because the other was injured, having to avoid a certain part of our opponent's body because there were injuries. Crazy how one can choose to "play through" injuries. I suppose the secret is in knowing when to stop before causing permanent injury. Sometimes that is a really tough thing to figure out.