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    Re: Elizabeth Berkley Lauren & Val Chmerkovskiy - Season 17

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    She did not shoulder the blame alone. The writer, Joe Eszterhas, took the brunt of the blame. The movie's director, Paul Verhoeven, also took a lot of the heat.Part of the reason Elizabeth was panned so badly, was simply because, her acting was poor.

    Elizabeth chose to not dance. No one forced her to not dance for the next 18 years. Personally I find that weak. I have horses, and am well acquainted with the saying, both figuratively and literally lol - when you fall off a horse, you need to get right back up on it. She didn't do that - she was weak. Giving up dance was not a sacrifice, it was a choice she made out of fear. A true dancer would not have buckled to fear from one role like that. Life sentence - well maybe, but it's one she gave to herself. I don't know what it means *her legions of celebrity friends* - celebrities aren't any better than folks that aren't, and they certainly don't have it any worse off than the rest of us *regular* folk.

    No one else in the cast went on to fruitful careers either - certainly not in movies. Kyle McLachlan (who also had another huge dud with Dune), is really the only cast member who has made a decent career, and even that has been very hit and miss for him. Of course he worked hard at it, and didn't crawl away into a corner.

    She chose a risky role. Trying to shed her good girl image from SBTB and chose a lead in a movie that was about stripping, she did full frontal nudity, in a movie that many people (at that time) felt bordered on pornography. From what I've read, most people didn't think she had much of a career regardless of whether Showgirls bombed or not, because she simply doesn't have the acting chops to make the transition from TV screen to the Big Screen. She thought it was going to make her a big named star and it back fired. So what? A lot of actual big time movie stars make crap movies, but they get back up, and try again, not slink away into a corner for 18 years and refuse to dance/act/sing. This is why she doesn't connect with me. She is so playing this sympathy card about the dancing thing. She has since DWTS has started. I guess it works on some people, and not on others.

    No one else in the cast went on to fruitful careers either - certainly not in movies. Kyle McLachlan (who also had another huge dud with Dune), is really the only cast member who has made a decent career, and even that has been very hit and miss for him. Of course he worked hard at it, and didn't crawl away into a corner.

    I still find her reaction to all of this, and her dependency upon it to try to draw sympathy votes, sad. She is clearly not made to be able to survive what it takes to thrive in the world of celebrity. I do wish her well though. :)

    ETA: Thanks NC! Yes I was indeed referring to everyone else who shared my opinions in this thread. I wouldn't be able to speak to the *everyone* that watches this show :P
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    I'm pretty sure Geena Gershon and choreographer Tyce D'Iorio who danced in the movie, (Tyce came out to DWTS to support Elizabeth a few weeks ago) may take issue with only Kyle having a fruitful career after the movie. The producer and writer didn't pay for the box office bomb the way Elizabeth did. I don't know why it's such a bad thing for a person not to have a right to shed a tear about a painful time in her life, everything penned up and it's not supposed to bother her, she's supposed to suck it up. And as she said in the package that's what she did. Except, dancing again for an audience brought some emotion with it. Then, a lot of her fans wanted a Showgirls theme, so like SBTB they wanted to honor their fans, so the dance was a careful nod to the movie without being an affront to those that hate Elizabeth because of it. As she said on Access Hollywood she hopes that for her girls in her program they witness when someone hits a wall, you try and find a window to climb through. Seems #dwts is that window for her.

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    Re: Elizabeth Berkley Lauren & Val Chmerkovskiy - Season 17

    Quote Originally Posted by mesachick View Post
    She did not shoulder the blame alone. The writer, Joe Eszterhas, took the brunt of the blame. The movie's director, Paul Verhoeven, also took a lot of the heat.Part of the reason Elizabeth was panned so badly, was simply because, her acting was poor.

    Elizabeth chose to not dance. No one forced her to not dance for the next 18 years. Personally I find that weak. I have horses, and am well acquainted with the saying, both figuratively and literally lol - when you fall off a horse, you need to get right back up on it. She didn't do that - she was weak. Giving up dance was not a sacrifice, it was a choice she made out of fear. A true dancer would not have buckled to fear from one role like that. Life sentence - well maybe, but it's one she gave to herself. I don't know what it means *her legions of celebrity friends* - celebrities aren't any better than folks that aren't, and they certainly don't have it any worse off than the rest of us *regular* folk.

    She chose a risky role. Trying to shed her good girl image from SBTB and chose a lead in a movie that was about stripping, she did full frontal nudity, in a movie that many people (at that time) felt bordered on pornography. From what I've read, most people didn't think she had much of a career regardless of whether Showgirls bombed or not, because she simply doesn't have the acting chops to make the transition from TV screen to the Big Screen. She thought it was going to make her a big named star and it back fired. So what? A lot of actual big time movie stars make crap movies, but they get back up, and try again, not slink away into a corner for 18 years and refuse to dance/act/sing. This is why she doesn't connect with me. She is so playing this sympathy card about the dancing thing. She has since DWTS has started. I guess it works on some people, and not on others.

    No one else in the cast went on to fruitful careers either - certainly not in movies. Kyle McLachlan (who also had another huge dud with Dune), is really the only cast member who has made a decent career, and even that has been very hit and miss for him. Of course he worked hard at it, and didn't crawl away into a corner.

    I still find her reaction to all of this, and her dependency upon it to try to draw sympathy votes, sad. She is clearly not made to be able to survive what it takes to thrive in the world of celebrity. I do wish her well though.

    ETA: Thanks NC! Yes I was indeed referring to everyone else who shared my opinions in this thread. I wouldn't be able to speak to the *everyone* that watches this show
    Well, you spoke for me( and you spoke/posted well) . I don't know why she plays the victim, or is that perhaps another role, I don't get it.I thought she as all about self esteem and yet she was weepy( again ) and shaking when she was in the bottom three, Val had to carry her off. Talk about playing for votes . I would hate to see how she reacts if they actually gave her the same brusque critiques some of the others have had. For some reason the judges (Len especially), handle her with kid gloves, which makes me dislike her even more. I wouldn't mind her off my dance screen
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    Re: Elizabeth Berkley Lauren & Val Chmerkovskiy - Season 17

    Clearly the SBTB dance wasn't what she hoped and all the women were thrown off since most of the women's scores were lower on average than the men's that night after the a "woman is going home" announcement. It will be interesting if the producers pull that again.

    What is admirable is She's not crying about the work, not pulling diva moves or walking out, or cussing or upset with her partner because something hurts. She's just dancing and gaining fans as the season moves on.

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    Tyce D'Iorio was a *goddess dancer* lol. I bet he didn't even have a speaking role. Even if the movie had been a huge hit, Tyce would have still remained an unknown to the general viewing public. No one is going to blame the *goddess dancer* for the demise of a Hollywood movie. SYTYCD is what has made him a well known household name. Geena Gershon has not gone on to have a fruitful career either. She was in Face Off - but other than that she has had small roles on several tv series, nothing that has catapulted her to any type of real fame. Heck Tyce is probably more well known than she is at this point.

    Elizabeth has had 18 years to *shed a tear*. Looking at Valerie and Jack - she most certainly should suck it up. Valerie and Jack have both been diagnosed with a terminal illness just a few years ago and they aren't boo hoo'ing about it at all. She is most definitely playing it up, and the woe poor me victim card. I don't buy it. Nor do I respect it. I also don't think anyone hates Elizabeth for doing Showgirls. I certainly don't. I don't hate her at all. She just doesn't resonate well and I am not buying into what she is trying to sell.

    I hope for the sake of these girls she is trying to help, that they don't take 18 years to find a window due to one bad choice they made. How horrible! We all make bad choices, its how we deal with it after that attests to our character. Elizabeth could have bounced back like Kyle, or even Gina. But she didn't. She crawled away, used it as a poor excuse to not do something she supposedly loved, and now she is still trying to use it to garner sympathy votes. Just not buying it at all. She was weak of character and did not belong in the cut throat business that is Hollywood anyway if she is being real about this. Of course with her over botoxed face, its hard to know if she is faking it or not.
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    Re: Elizabeth Berkley Lauren & Val Chmerkovskiy - Season 17

    Quote Originally Posted by EnglishCadbury View Post
    I'm not everyone. There are those who would disagree with this completely. Elizabeth going in the first half of the show for 5 out of 6 nights so far is not pushing her. People have made comments, this team has made adjustments. People wanted a SBTB routine, this team responded. People asked for a Showgirls routine, they've responded with a nod to the show. One role she took as a 21 year old changed her life, and of course it was a choice. What ensued wasn't her choice, she alone shouldering the blame for marketing decisions of this film and the box office disaster. Nor was it her choice to be considered toxic when others in the same film have gone on to fruitful careers, in acting and in dance, not small roles that limit you creatively and financially. Giving up dance was a sacrifice. A dancer knows this. Her legions of celebrity friends who are supporting her knows what's up. I saw the tears as being grateful for the opportunity to have the life sentence lifted. It's sort of cool that #dwts can help.
    I'm not everyone, either. I never cared much for the character of Jesse Spano and I can't ever recall whether I ever saw Showgirls or not. Nor did I enjoy the dance competition show she hosted a few years ago. I'm not really interested in her backstory. I just enjoy her dancing and I'm pleased to see that she's back doing it again.
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    I vaguely remember Saved By the Bell, but I only remember the cute blond boy. I don't know Elizabeth from past anything. I think she is doing a good job especially to be so tall. I like her enthusiasm and the fact that we rarely if ever see her complaining about the steps or how hard something is in the rehearsal. She is not much of a whiner....she just seems to want to tackle whatever is set before her. Although I understand why some of the others whine and complain ( I probably would too), it is kind of nice to watch some rehearsal packages where stars don't do it. Elizabeth seemed to be one who doesn't whine.
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    Re: Elizabeth Berkley Lauren & Val Chmerkovskiy - Season 17

    Yeah, I don't know her personally or what she actually went through after Showgirls...which I never watched. I would always watch Saved by the Bell with my oldest sister, I was probably around 5 or 6 then!

    I don't find her to whine either...the only one I find truly complaining all the time is Leah, though I somewhat like her too. I just think she is really in this to win this and that she wants to do well.

    That being said, do I totally love all her dances? No. But I do see improvement. Definitely not the ringer everyone was assuming she was going to be. I see progress from week to week though concerning the chemistry between her and Val and the disconnect between her upper and lower body.

    To each their own obviously...but I truly don't dislike anyone left....minus the judges and their wacky scoring this season!
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    Elizabeth is going to be on Ellen in just a few minutes. Sorry for the late notice - I just saw the preview.

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    The hate for Elizabeth is saddening. Of course she made a choice to do Showgirls. While most of us have made bad choices before and dusted ourselves off, we have not been humiliated and personally attacked in front of the world. It's easy to say we would have gotten right back on the horse if we were in her shoes since we're conveniently sitting behind a computer knowing full well we never will be in her shoes. It's not like she had a breakdown and hibernated in a cave in the woods like you all make it sound either. She sucked it up, continued acting, and had a part a year later in The First Wives Club. I'm sure public backlash was not easy though as she was only 21 years old. Many young Hollywood celebrities have turned to drugs and alcohol for much less. I commend Elizabeth for working past that hard time for her and turning the lessons learned from her own journey into a self-esteem workshop for young girls known as Ask Elizabeth. I personally find her inspiring.

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    Re: Elizabeth Berkley Lauren & Val Chmerkovskiy - Season 17

    I don't hate her, I just don't like her, or her dancing on this show. Showgirls is in the past, she bought it up, so in doing that , she opened herself to scrutiny. I find her a bit of a diva and find nothing inspiring about her. I took a look at Ask Elizabeth, where she tells young girls how to make lips look bigger.
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