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    Re: 5/25 Finale Pt 2 - Show Discussion Thread **Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Pandora2;3914220;
    Question for the veterans who have watched more than the two seasons I've seen: How often does the celebrity expected to win from the beginning actually win? Was this the first time? Or is that typical?
    Since season 6, I think its become pretty obvious. Everyone knew Kristi had this thing wrapped up before season 6 started. Season 7, depends who you ask, but I thought Brooke early on, the way the judges comments and edit was going. Season 8, same thing, as I predicted Shawn pre-show, thought maybe an upset (good or bad in Gilles and Melissa) after the season got started, but figured it was Shawn's to lose. It didn't help that Cheryl gave Gilles one of the crappiest freestyles ever. Season 9, there was little doubt pre-show that Donny had it, and after the season got going, that Mya was going to be in the finals with him. This season has been more obvious than ever. What makes me question it is the end results; why this season have two dances in the finale when they've never had it before? So I wonder if they knew what they wanted and knew scoring one dance might not be enough. From season 5 backward, I think it was less predictable. Helio winning over Mel B isn't as much of a surprise in hindsight, but at the time it was. Apolo making it to the finals wasn't a huge surprise, but there was suspense seeing if he or Joey Fatone would come out on top.

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    Thanks, karalott. I guess there will always be a favorite, of sorts, and if you took that person out, the next one would be the favorite. But at some point down the line, I think you could get to a place where nearly everyone had a shot. The show would have to decide whether they chose more celebs with some sort of relevant experience (like Evan and Nicole) or more with basically no background (like Pam and Chad). I think the biggest problem is the huge gap between the best and the worst.

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    It seemed from watching the eliminated contestants segment about Evan and Nicole being the F2 it was set up like that before the season even started. I was hoping for an upset tonight, but wan't surprised Nicole won. I hope next season is better!
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    I wasn't a fan of Evan's in the slightest, so I guess I was glad that Nicole won. But then again, I love Anna and was really sad to see her come so close. After Jerry, she hasn't gotten a partner who had a chance at the trophy. This was her chance to finally win, but it didn't happen.
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    I have never seen the judges so blatantly manipulate the results as they have this season. They really did want Nicole to win and if it hadn't been for their purposefully marking Evan down and over the top glorification of Nicole she would not have won JIMO. There really is no other explanation for why they would give Evan such low marks, harsh critique, bad edit this late in the show. It really tarnished her win for me. I think they were just not going to let Anna and Evan win for some reason. It was almost like a vendetta in the way they handled it. She was the best, but I do not believe she was the fan favorite at all. CA and ABC must have plans for her and needed her to win. She was the best, but I do not believe she would have won had the judges not manipulated the scores the last two nights. When Len and Bruno held up their 9 paddles for the last dance and made those faces it was like someone had told them to not give a 10 especially when Bruno was giving out 10's to Pam just because....during the season. Anyway, congrats to Nicole, but Evan was robbed by the judges manipulation. I believe that Evan was the fan favorite and they were just not going to let that happen. It's unsettling...

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    Plain and simple, it was totally unprofessional to tell Nicole she should be the winner (len should know better) can you imagine being Evan and Anna, and hearing that right before you perform???? Personally i would wonder, "why bother" they've already chosen the winner.

    As far as i can remember (and i've watched every season) i have NEVER seen 10's given out that early,i think it was wk 2 or 3...SERIOUSLY...if you get 10's that early in the season, you have NO business being on the show. You should be the professional instead of the student.

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    Tobi: I believe that Evan was the fan favorite and they were just not going to let that happen. It's unsettling...
    That is exactly why I do not vote. Over the years I've noticed all talent contests ( viewer votes) are manipulated by the judges. Either the majority of viewers are very dumb easy to control type people or viewer votes are never counted. I would like to see proof of the viewer vote count instead of just taking the TV network's word for it. I hate to think everyone watching these shows are not independent thinkers but followers that are told how to think and do as they are told. I prefer to believe the shows are fixed. It's too scary to believe people are so easily controlled. I watch talent shows because I enjoy them, especially DWTS. I do not get overly involved with who wins nor do I vote knowing it probably has already been decided. All the professional dancers are amazing but so are the celebrities that have the guts to try.

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    I thought CA's charging Nicole and Derek with a lift last night was ridiculous. They had finished their dance, held the position. then due to the way that Nicole was wrapped around Derek's leg (cool btw) he had to lift her out of the attachment. Whatever! I think the other judges thought she was wrong as well.

    That brings me to ask.. what is a "lift" because CA would call people on it... but there are a number of times when the guy would say pick up the girl and twirl her around... she would not be touching the floor... those were never commented on or deducted. Why is a lift not always a lift?
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    Re: 5/25 Finale Pt 2 - Show Discussion Thread **Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonbonlover;3914321;
    I thought CA's charging Nicole and Derek with a lift last night was ridiculous. They had finished their dance, held the position. then due to the way that Nicole was wrapped around Derek's leg (cool btw) he had to lift her out of the attachment. Whatever! I think the other judges thought she was wrong as well.

    That brings me to ask.. what is a "lift" because CA would call people on it... but there are a number of times when the guy would say pick up the girl and twirl her around... she would not be touching the floor... those were never commented on or deducted. Why is a lift not always a lift?
    I believe Nicole actually had 2 lifts in her dance and CA only called her on the second one.

    A lift is anytime the person leaves the floor when they could not do it independently. CA is very tough on the spins you are talking about - if you watch - you will notice the women always drag on foot on the floor in those spins. It bothers me when CA calls those. But that was clearly a lift and it is never okay to do a lift unless they have said it is okay in a particular dance. Everyone else followed the rules and it was arrogant of Derek to think it was okay for them to push the rule. If they let it at the end - then why not at the beginning or how about just before the end. The rule has to be clear and it is is - NO LIFTS.

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    Re: 5/25 Finale Pt 2 - Show Discussion Thread **Spoilers**

    I was disappointed that Nicole and Derek won. I don't care for Derek - it is always all about him and that just gets old.

    I also think that having the judges score AFTER the public vote is wrong. It is clear they do this so they can fix the ending and last night could not have been any more obvous.

    I think this show is about learning to dance - Nicole did not - she could have done any dance she did last night just as well on week one.

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