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    This show just blows. :phhht Sorry to all the fans. I had high expectations after hearing a great review on NPR, but I'll never waste another hour of my life watching this manufactured, poorly edited tripe. If you want to see a "real" competition show, check out Ultimate Fighter on Spike TV.

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    I love this show

    I really enjoy this show as I was raised in a household that loved boxing. In comparison to some of the other reality shows out there, I would have to say it's one of the better ones. Sorry to those of you who don't like it, I guess that's the beauty of television, you can always change the channel. To those of you who do enjoy it, let's hope it stays on!

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    I'm sorry guys, I just can't watch this anymore. I gave it another chance, but it frustrates me too much. The editing is destroying this show, and is alienating its core audience (ie: boxing fans) in a poor attempt to appeal to everybody (which it apparently is also failing miserably at).

    Mark Burnett screwed up. He created a show that has no focus. Survivor, from title graphic to tribal council, is about surviving in the wilderness. The Apprentice, from O'Jays song to taxicab confessional, is about business acumen and skills. While these shows like to stress the human drama in them, they are smart enough not to let the human drama REPLACE the focus of the show. They never stray too far from what their main theme is.

    This show can't decide if it wants to be a legitimate boxing competition, a soap opera featuring a bunch of tough guys, or a family-oriented soap opera....with real families. Because of this, it is confusing, frustrating and annoying to watch, because it keeps switching gears on you.

    That looked like a good fight........what I saw of it. I would've liked to see the whole thing, but evidently the producers have decided that apparently that's not what this show is about. Even though they have Sly and Sugar Ray, it's not about boxing. Even though George Foreman paid them a visit, it's not about boxing. Even though the opening act is all of them sparring in a gym.........it's not about boxing. All that buildup, and no payoff. It's like sitting at a table in anticipation watching someone bake your favourite cake just for you, and then telling you after it's made that you aren't allowed to eat it. What a tease.

    What turns me off even more than the slick-cut, super-edited fights are the presence of families. Manfredo mentioned that his family had never seen him fight before. You know why? ....because boxing is the only sport where the entire purpose is violence, which is a very adult-oriented activity. I put it right up there with pornography, smoking and drinking. CHILDREN DO NOT BELONG NEAR A BOXING RING. EVER. Especially any children under the age of 12. That's just sick. Amazing that we don't mind exposing these tykes to live pain and suffering and grievous violence right in front of their faces.......but we'll be damned if they get exposed to a breast on TV. Society is seriously seriously messed up.

    So that's my rant. Alfonso, I notice you post on this site. Good fight, man....what I saw of it. I would have liked to see the whole thing, but evidently it's not important to the show that I should. Good luck in your career. I'll remember your name, and I hope to hear more of you in the upcoming years, maybe on HBO Friday Night Boxing or even as a subject of debate on In This Corner With Russ Anber (canadian show...very good). As for the rest of the show....I'll keep a tab on the website and check results from time to time, but I'm not watching it anymore. It's just not worth it. All hype, no delivery.

    Lates everybody. I'm going back to Ultimate Fighter, where they show the ENTIRE MATCHES, unedited.
    Last edited by Ishkur; 03-11-2005 at 02:26 AM.

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    I enjoyed the show up until the point where they started boxing. I just can't watch people beat on each other I am glad they cut that to minimum, although I can understand that to boxing fans that is the most important part of the show. But otherwise the show was very good, I thought, very touching with all the families involved. Or maybe it was that I had very low expectations, so it was easy to not be disappointed

    One thing I did not understand either was why the small kids had to be watching their daddies be beaten up. Wives yes, but could they not afford hiring babysitters for the kids?
    ps. This is just my opinion in the matter.

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    This show rocks. I understand those who don't like it, but it still appeals to me. I'm that elusive demographic that watches BOTH Project Runway AND The Contender-- I like fighting and fashion, you could say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ishkur
    Amazing that we don't mind exposing these tykes to live pain and suffering and grievous violence right in front of their faces.......but we'll be damned if they get exposed to a breast on TV. Society is seriously seriously messed up.
    I agree 100%.

    And I could totally do without all the "I'm doing this for my family, this is my family's only shot" BS. So cliche, so boring... bleh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ishkur
    ....because boxing is the only sport where the entire purpose is violence, which is a very adult-oriented activity. I put it right up there with pornography, smoking and drinking. CHILDREN DO NOT BELONG NEAR A BOXING RING. EVER. Especially any children under the age of 12.
    I agree and I'm not so sure those 2 and 3 times the age of 12 should be watching either. However I do like the fact they show their family interactions, it's nice to see another side of the boxers.
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    I'm enjoying this show (which is amazing considering I know zilch about boxing). BUT, I must ask......
    Is this going to be the same format every week --- the guy with the most air time and family back story will be the guy going home? And the underdog will win the boxing match? That's the way it's been for the first two shows. And, no, I'm not trying to be condescending. I'm just curious. Hey, if I know what to expect, than that's fine by me!

    Previews for Sunday's show make it look like the inevitable Ishe/Ahmed fight will finally happen, and there is footage of Ishe's family. So am I to assume that Ishe will be the one going home after next week? Of course, I'm saying this tongue in cheek. Pom, I agree that if they just showed Ishe in the robe, not to take it seriously. But I would've sworn I also saw Ahmed in the blue robe and footage of Ishe's family, so that's why I am thinking they will fight. Of course, I could be wrong.

    Anyway, I was hoping Jonathan Reid would kick Jesse's butt last night. He just seemed like such a good guy, and he handled his loss so very well. But Jesse seemed too cocky to me. His kids were cute though, all dressed up for the fight. But his poor daughter looked traumatized. Like all of you said, I don't think I would want my kids (if they were that young) watching daddy get beat up/vice versa. They don't belong there.

    Still, I think it's a good show. I will continue watching, even if the format does end up being predictable. My husband is a huge boxing fan, and he got me hooked. Now off to read Phat's recap from Monday.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by CharlieBug
    Is this going to be the same format every week --- the guy with the most air time and family back story will be the guy going home? And the underdog will win the boxing match? That's the way it's been for the first two shows.
    When last night's show began, I didn't expect Jonathan Reid to be in the ring by the end. I thought the format would involve focusing on a different boxer (and/or his family) each week. But when Jesse Brinkley called out Jonathan in the locker room, I thought, "Well, I guess that's it for Jonathan, then."

    I hope seeing a boxer's family at the beginning doesn't mean the boxer will turn into "Yeoman Johnson," the red-shirted ensign from Star Trek. Because when Yeoman Johnson beams down to Planet X with Kirk, Spock and McCoy, you know only three people are coming back to the Enterprise...and one of them ain't going to be Yeoman Johnson.

    I like the show, but if that's how predictable the format becomes, then the fault lies with Burnett and his production team.
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    Does Ahmed even have family? It was my impression he was created by the gods as an incredibly good looking boxer who is going to conquer Hollywood and "own" it. Funny, I may have been mistaken.
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    the conclusion i have reached so far. short fights favor the underdog. these fights really should be at least 8 rounds, if not 10. 5 rounds just isn't enough time to really judge who is the better fighter. experienced boxers tend to pace themselves early in the fight becuase they are used to going longer distances. less experienced fighters will throw all they have into it early since they don't have the experience of going long distances into a fight.

    i don't doubt the second fight of the series would have ended very different
    had the fight been scheduled for 8 rounds.
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