Tiger Woods' Accident

[Wind Dancer]

I agree that Martha Steward and David Letterman bounced back well from difficult situations, but don't think that on its own means anyone can bounce back. I think Stewart and Letterman survived what they did (I'd include Hugh Grant in there as well) as well as they did because they played the public relations game so well. They swallowed the bitter pill and gave the public what they wanted / expected, and were granted forgiveness in return.

Thus far, Tiger does not appear to be willing to play the PR game. That could change, but it may not. Quite frankly, if he never worked another day in his life AND had to hand over half his money to Elin in a divorce settlement, he'd still be fine. He could stay away from golf, accept all his endorsements ending, and disappear from the public eye to the degree that 10 years from now, we'd all be asking "What ever happened to Tiger Woods?" If he does not want to go that path, and wants to make a comeback, then he's got to play the PR game. The American public will forgive and let people move on. But we tend to not be willing to do that until a person has publicly owned up to what they did.

I personally don't think that Letterman "bounced back" so well.

I don't watch him anymore at all--from being a semi-regular viewer--based on his longterm activities with his staffers.

And I have heard--though I can't remember where--that his ratings shot up temporarily after his announcements--but that they went right back down.


I also read/heard that men are much more willing to "forgive Tiger" and that is being borne out in who is saying he will recover--mostly men--versus who is saying this will have longterm negative impact--mostly women.

[JavaJo]

I agree that Martha Steward and David Letterman bounced back well from difficult situations, but don't think that on its own means anyone can bounce back. I think Stewart and Letterman survived what they did (I'd include Hugh Grant in there as well) as well as they did because they played the public relations game so well. They swallowed the bitter pill and gave the public what they wanted / expected, and were granted forgiveness in return.

Plus, none of them got caught with a bakers dozen...

[MHcarrollton]

This whole story is getting too ballooned out of control. Elin is a big girl, and women go through much much worse every single day without anyone batting an eyelash. Her husband is a jerk of a husband, but she has two beautiful children, and enough money to last forever, I think she will be fine. The first time she was spotted out, all the news was saying she looked in good spirits, so why does the public care so much what he did to her?

He is a horrible husband, but we are forgetting that he has two small children that someday will grow-up and see and hear all about this. I think the public needs to move on a little bit and let him and the family try and move on peacefully. I think we can all agree what he did was disgusting and vile, but I say let him be a golfer which he is good at, and let's give him some peace to be a father to those kids since he is the only one that they will have.

[Bloomers]

I personally don't think that Letterman "bounced back" so well.

I don't watch him anymore at all--from being a semi-regular viewer--based on his longterm activities with his staffers.

And I have heard--though I can't remember where--that his ratings shot up temporarily after his announcements--but that they went right back down.


I also read/heard that men are much more willing to "forgive Tiger" and that is being borne out in who is saying he will recover--mostly men--versus who is saying this will have longterm negative impact--mostly women.

I have read at least 10 sports blogs with the accompanying posts, and as disturbing as it is to me - to read between the lines - the overwhelming majority of men seem to have a cavalier attitude of admiration that one of their kind is able to lay around with so many different women at the same time. In the equation, marriage is not even considered or is mentally shrugged off. Those men who bring it up clearly are rebuked sharply as self-righteous, or the men and even the women are dismissed as lacking the necessary understanding of someone in his position.

Women generally are outraged that one of their kind who is staying at home raising the children is treated that way while many men tend to have the attitude that, "Going out on my wife is not for me, but if that is what he wants to do, I have no problem with it."
Again, what this says about men, marriage, and their attitude is disturbing to me.

[causingchaos]

I have read at least 10 sports blogs with the accompanying posts, and as disturbing as it is to me - to read between the lines - the overwhelming majority of men seem to have a cavalier attitude of admiration that one of their kind is able to lay around with so many different women at the same time. In the equation, marriage is not even considered or is mentally shrugged off. Those men who bring it up clearly are rebuked sharply as self-righteous, or the men and even the women are dismissed as lacking the necessary understanding of someone in his position.

Women generally are outraged that one of their kind who is staying at home raising the children is treated that way while many men tend to have the attitude that, "Going out on my wife is not for me, but if that is what he wants to do, I have no problem with it."
Again, what this says about men, marriage, and their attitude is disturbing to me.

I don't think it's all men with the attitude. And I believe there were probably many people around him that knew exactly what was going on and she probably did too and it all blew up. If his little car accident hadn't happened she probably would have gone along with this charade for a long time as long as she kept getting whatever she wanted out of it and he would have probably kept banging every cocktail waitress coast to coast.

But now it became public. I believe the public is influencing her behavior as much as it is his. She doesn't want to come out looking like a gold digger either. And she doesn't want to get that "stand by your man" publicity. The worse he looks and the more sympathetic she looks the better for her.

[Bonbonlover]

And she doesn't want to get that "stand by your man" publicity.

I think he has been an A$$. But I don't think anyone would judge her negatively whichever path she chose. If she chooses to leave Tiger, then she is a strong independent woman who will not stand for a man treating her that way. If she chooses to leave Tiger she is loyal and going to help him through this mess and she is trying to save her marriage knowing she has two very young children. She is faced with a very difficult decision and I wish her the best whichever she chooses.

[Wind Dancer]

I have read at least 10 sports blogs with the accompanying posts, and as disturbing as it is to me - to read between the lines - the overwhelming majority of men seem to have a cavalier attitude of admiration that one of their kind is able to lay around with so many different women at the same time. In the equation, marriage is not even considered or is mentally shrugged off. Those men who bring it up clearly are rebuked sharply as self-righteous, or the men and even the women are dismissed as lacking the necessary understanding of someone in his position.

Women generally are outraged that one of their kind who is staying at home raising the children is treated that way while many men tend to have the attitude that, "Going out on my wife is not for me, but if that is what he wants to do, I have no problem with it."
Again, what this says about men, marriage, and their attitude is disturbing to me.

I find it disturbing as well.

And now I am seeing--even though I promised myself not to watch any extensive coverage of his "mistresses " anymore--that a number of the men in his life--professional acquainances and friends etc--are coming out sounding very hurt because they did not know this was going on.

But the hurt doesn't sound much like "What a nasty boy" but more like outrage over being 'betrayed" because he did not let them in to his secret.

An interesting reacftion IMO that perhaops says a lot about how men (in general but not all) bond.

[Wind Dancer]

As I said I promised myself not to pay any attention to the "mistresses" coming out here there and everywhere--but--last night I re-scanned my dtv and found some new stations--including the CW which I'd never gotten before.

And what was on?

"The Insider" and TMZ.

So there I was slack-jawed that I could actually get this station--and absolutely astounded that now lovers/mistresses are being--in effect--manufactured for Tiger.

The lastest is Jessica Simpson--who met Tiger at a charity event in the sumemrtime and they were photographed together--with a lot of other people. And they exchanged a few texts etc--and some people jumped to a baseless conclusion.

Even the people purveying this latest canard were saying that there was a high probability that there was nothing to the story.

Gosh folks--then why bother with it?

I doubt I'll be watching TMZ again.....disgusting.

And The Insider wasn't much better.

Like there aren't enough women outing themselves as his lovers that some have to be manufactured......

[angelic_one2002]

I just heard again on the news the rumor of Elin and the kids leaving is TRUE. The reporter said a plane is to arrive and pick her and the children up. She will travel back and forth to be in Sweden and the US, supposedly.
It was announced the couple indeed are separated.

[Wind Dancer]

Angelic_one--hi.
Some of what I heard last night could confirm that.

First--they did show moving trucks being loaded with large objects--which were surmisd to be paintings--in the Woods' driveway.

Also they did say--I think this was on ET--that Elin would be going to the million-dollar hosue she and her sister bought in Sweden.

However on The Inside (ugh I can't beleive I watched that)--they had an alleged legal expert who said that Tiger could stop Elin from taking he children out of the US since there is no divorce or custody agreement in place.

Consider the source on that one.



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