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    Re: Harvey Weinstein (incl. Elaine Lui's Old Blind Item and Gretchen Mol's New Denial

    Joseph, Weinstein was married. So he didn't lack a physical relationship that was legal and consensual, he just liked getting away with perverted assaults on unwilling victims. Because he could. Just like trump bragged about on his infamous video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JosephD View Post
    I'm not a sexual assault expert so I don't understand why any of these men would take the risk of ruining their lives, careers and familial relationships when all of them are men of influence in at least some sense of the word, and could have gotten what they wanted by other means. Politicians have one set of influence, but celebrities have influence as well. Maybe not to the degree of a politician, but they could be highly influential toward some up-and-coming actor/actress or comedian.

    Admittedly, none of the accused are all that physically attractive, but based upon their stature alone, I bet all of them could have gotten SOMEBODY to take an interest in them the legal way if they just tried. And that's why I just don't understand this sudden influx of sexual assault. Why risk everything you've worked so hard for? Why sexually assault someone when you could just court them 'the old fashioned way' without the risk?
    I think many of them are predators- they don't want to court someone or have a normal relationship- its about power and control
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    Quote Originally Posted by redsox girl View Post
    I will never give Louis CK credit, kudos or praise for stating the stories are true. He is the type of predator who is honest only when it suits his needs. These women came forward and told the truth. Had they not, Louis CK would be enjoying a movie premiere today and more praise for his style of risky self-reflection in comedy form. Louis CK would be keeping his secrets, just as he has done for years.
    He has not actually apologized . He's attempting to minimize his CHOICE to put subordinates in uncomfortable situations by saying ' I always asked if I could do it before I proceeded to humiliate/shock/demean them.' As if that mitigates his behavior. The undertone of his wording is that it's 'sorta kind of the victims fault, as well. Because I asked before I did it.'
    I'm not sure people understand the dynamics that occur in these situations. Most people freeze. They don't go running out of a room screaming. And that's a normal reaction. It's a feeling of surrealism that sets in. The reaction is 'Oh my God, Oh my God... this is Louis CK...what did I do? Did I send him a signal that this is cool with me? ...I can't believe this is happening.' I'm sure these women vacillated between numerous feelings that were so conflicting it has caused a good amount of self-loathing.
    Yet, Louis CK is being applauded for being 'honest.' When, in fact, that honesty is a strategic move to perhaps avoid the fate of other predators who are less verbally polished. Louis CK is first a writer, a good one. He knows how to craft an apology. But, again, that `honest apology' is formatted to explain his actions in a way that is beneficial to him, A Hail Mary apology to save his career. Going away for awhile hoping when he does return he'll be viewed as that contrite ex predator, so all is forgiven.
    These terrible things didn't happen to Louis CK. These terrible things did not happen to people reading about it. These terrible tings happened to the women who crossed Louis CKs path. It was his choice to use his standing and his power to humiliate and stun them. He doesn't live with the icky memories. They do.
    He is a sexual predator at the end of the day. He deserves the same derision and disgust reserved for Weinstein and the rest.
    I think you are taking his statement out of context, and doing so in a way that loses the message. Yes, he did say he always asked permission. But he went on to say, and you left out, that he realizes now that asking permission was irrelevant because he held power over these women. He’s backing up your point about how the women froze and didn’t know what to do. He wrongly took that as consent. After hearing their stories he began to understand that their silence was NOT consent.

    We yell in disgust at perpetrators who never own their behavior and never apologize. When one does the right thing in acknowdlging it and apologizing I see that as something.
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    Wow! Another accusation against Moore, and this sounds like a really scary molestation and attempted oral sex by Moore attacking a 15 year old girl!

    "A new accuser of Republican Senate candidate Roy Moore has stepped forward on Monday with allegations that Moore assaulted her when she was a minor and Moore was serving as district attorney of Etowah County, Alabama.

    Women's rights attorney Gloria Allred held a press conference in New York City with Beverly Young Nelson to announce the accusations. She told members of the press she met him when she was 15 years of age, and she said he assaulted her when she was 16 years old.

    Beverly Young Nelson described in detail the encounters she had with Moore at a restaurant she worked at after school. Moore, Nelson recalled, was a regular at the restaurant and knew her. Late one evening Nelson said, when her boyfriend was late in picking her up from work, Moore offered to drive Nelson home.

    "I trusted Mr. Moore because he was district attorney, I thought he was doing something nice to offer to drive me home," said Nelson.

    Instead, she recalled, he drove her to the back of the restaurant next to a dumpster and Nelson alleges he forced himself on her and groped her. Fighting back tears, Nelson told reporters she fought off Moore in the car as he squeezed her neck and tried to force her head onto his crotch and locked the door when she tried to escape.

    Eventually, she said, he gave up and told her, "'You're just a child, and I'm the district attorney. If you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you.'"

    She said she then either fell out of the car or was pushed by Moore, who, she said, drove away with the passenger door still ajar."


    You can read the rest of the article here.
    (PS Note that the article says that the victim is a Republican and a Trump supporter.)
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-roy...rict-attorney/
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    What a horrid man! I'm glad to see that the Republicans are beginning to say "no" to having this guy as a senator.
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    Re: Harvey Weinstein (incl. Elaine Lui's Old Blind Item and Gretchen Mol's New Denial

    Several more women have come forward accusing Roy Moore

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roy-moo...nted-advances/

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    Now Al Franken is in trouble.
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    Re: Harvey Weinstein (incl. Elaine Lui's Old Blind Item and Gretchen Mol's New Denial

    Quote Originally Posted by libgirl2 View Post
    Now Al Franken is in trouble.
    I saw that. We should start a thread, who is not accused.

    Leeane just spoke , in a press conference
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fanny Mare View Post
    I saw that. We should start a thread, who is not accused.

    Leeane just spoke , in a press conference
    You are right. I can't believe how many people. There are those you aren't surprised by and others that shock you.
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