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    Where's Amy when you need her?

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    I was laughing my butt off at Kristin's brocure mistake. If we didn't think she was an idiot before, we sure do now!
    Um, yeah . . .if that doesn't scream 'Sabotage!' I don't know what does . . .

    Unless Kristen really IS that stupid . . .and if so, how in the world did she ever manage to earn a HIGH SCHOOL diploma?? Some of her antics are too stupid for the 6th grade.

    Tana should have had all three of her 'stooges' hang the banners & sort the flags while SHE oversaw the compilation of the athlete brochure/schedule. I had to scream with laughter when she arrived all bright-eyed and annoyingly bushy-tailed in the morning, apparently expecting a schedule agenda to fly out of someone's (?) behind. It's like she never considered that such a thing:
    A. Had to be actually devised by someone or B. That someone should've been HER.

    The athletic event was the more high-profile & the more challenging task from a logistics point of view. Had Kendra been assigned this task, I'm sure she would have stayed up all night if necessary to put together a crackerjack brochure, & she would have been a great deal more solicitous of the Governor.
    Since this was part of the NYC 2012 Olympic bid, it carried a great deal of responsibility (even if, as I suspect, Tana could not possibly have had sole charge of the event.) This event no doubt attracted lots of media coverage. Based on the distribution of final tasks in previous seasons, I think that Trump already has a preferred candidate going into the final task & he 'awards' his favorite with the more difficult but also potentially more rewarding task. Bill & Kelly both had much more appealing & high-level tasks to execute than their competitors & pulled them off. I think perhaps Tana had been the anointed one going in (Carolyn even deigned to ride in her limo); Kendra's event, by contrast, seemed more of an afterthought assignment, filthy venue & all. She was given the video game tournament because she is young--more than a decade younger than Tana, and video games are a young person's bag. There was nothing of the prestige of rubbing elbows with Olympic athletes and state officials for Kendra.

    I think that against Trump's expectations (and many others), Kendra did a stellar job with a less-than-stellar assignment or crew. Had she failed, Trump could have used her youth and relative inexperience against her. I believe that Trump bestows his favor usually where his own interests lie: golf, polo & hob-nobbing with others as famous as he is. I think, therefore, that the Apprenticeship was Tana's to lose . . .and she blew it. Apart from the snafus, which were bad enough, her real fatal flaw was consistently displaying a temperament that is NOT managerial. Her lack of a degree is tangential. It is useful for ammunition now that she has failed spectacularly, but based on her earlier track record, she was in excellent position to be the first non-degreed Apprentice. I think Trump must have been at least partially open to the idea of hiring a non-degreed person, since he agreed to this format of Book Smarts vs. Street Smarts . . .I think he very well could have, not only hired Tana, but offered to cover the costs of obtaining her degree. Let's not forget that she's not a complete illiterate--she has three years' worth of course work. In light of that, she shouldn't even really have been eligible for the Street Smarts team . . .three years of college is NOT on a level with a high school diploma.

    Arguably, the best-loved & most memorable candidate in all three seasons of this show has been Troy McLain. Trump let him go with palpable regret. Troy's success & popularity has to be proof that creativity & people-skills are not automatically bestowed on college graduates alone. In fact, I think the bulk of the candidates on this show have proven the opposite. So it was high time for a street-savvy contestant to win, & Tana might have been that person, even though she doesn't hold a candle to Troy in the creativity department. Tana's got great self-presentation skills (until the last couple of tasks when her body seemed to be overtaken by an evil twin.), and successful management isn't about what obscure courses you took in college, but about how you carry yourself & get others on your side. Despite being a good talker (remember: all the execs who interviewed her were impressed), Tana's over-riding concern seems to be her appearance & how others are/are not kissing up to her alleged authority. Apparently the Governor of New York needed to be deferring to her rather than the other way around!

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    I couldn't help noticing that previous seasons' final tasks have utililized the most recently fired (ie, the most competent) of the former candidates. The outcomes may have been very different for Tana & Kendra if that had been the case for them, rather than having to rely on people who were fired as early as Week #4 for their ineptitude. It's doubtful that Bren or Angie would have behaved as childishly & rudely as the crew we saw. Really, this set-up of the two finalists 'supervising' losing competitors who of course have axes to grind, is inherently flawed. The tasks would be a lot more meaningful if they had to supervise actual employees at the venues, whose continued employment hinged on their performance in the tasks. Since the fired candidates 'work' for no one, there is no incentive to do actual work & loads of incentive to hog more camera time for themselves by being uncooperative.

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    [QUOTE=hikari]Um, yeah . . .if that doesn't scream 'Sabotage!' I don't know what does . . .

    Unless Kristen really IS that stupid . . .and if so, how in the world did she ever manage to earn a HIGH SCHOOL diploma?? Some of her antics are too stupid for the 6th grade.
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    Very interesting Hikari, and I agree with most of it I don't agree that Tana's task was harder- I think she was just more disorganized. Everything was done for her, except final preparations- which she didn't follow through on , or know. Take the brochure- she delegated that to Kristin (and I don't think it was a deliberate sabatoge- I think Kristin was just typing what was written and didn't think about it- which was stupid on her part) That was Tana's fault for not checking and double checking. The flags were Tana's fault- she should have checked to make sure they were all there. It was the little details that got Tana's butt in trouble, but she was too busy patting herself on the back, she didn't bother with them. I know it seems like Kendra's job was easier, but I believe it was because she was just doing a better job. Her task went so smoothly that there was nothing to air- where Tana was screwing up left and right it made it seem like it was harder. Everything for that task was already set up- all she had to do was put it in motion. Her attitude also made me cringe in embarassment for her also.

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    Sunny,

    I agree that Tana's ineptitude & lack of attention to detail was painful. Kendra certainly did have a lot more physical labor in terms of setting up the venue. Once that was done & the signage & flow of traffic was established, Kendra didn't have to do much; I think the gaming tournament would pretty much be self-running after it was set up. Tana by contrast had hardly anything to do with the physical space apart from hanging banners & sorting flags--and she didn't manage that much. I think the sheer number of bodies to move & the multitude of events to schedule concurrently made Tana's task harder when it was actually going ON . . .as opposed to Kendra's, where the bulk of the work was complete once the event was underway.

    Not to denigrate Kendra's work. Her event was very smoothly run. I think she foiled expectations with her success--Trump will have to hire her now, even if he initially favored Tana. Since DT is such a NYC cheerleader (when not leading cheers for himself) Tana's event stood to be higher-rated in Trump's eyes theoretically . . .then of course, she went and bollocks-ed it up!

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    You know... Maybe Tana decided that she really didn't want the job after all? Maybe she decided that New York City just wasn't for her? Maybe she didn't really want to work for Mr. Trump? So, being a Street Smart person, she decided to give Mr. Trump what he really wants -- which is good television!

    I mean, why else would she totally leave her brains at home and snicker into the camera near the end that she was taking those pretzels home. The whole episode just didn't seem like her. She was so much more thoughtful in previous episodes...???

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    Quote Originally Posted by gracie727
    You know... Maybe Tana decided that she really didn't want the job after all? Maybe she decided that New York City just wasn't for her? Maybe she didn't really want to work for Mr. Trump? So, being a Street Smart person, she decided to give Mr. Trump what he really wants -- which is good television!

    I mean, why else would she totally leave her brains at home and snicker into the camera near the end that she was taking those pretzels home. The whole episode just didn't seem like her. She was so much more thoughtful in previous episodes...???

    I don't know. If you remember, Tana has been going steadily downhill for the last three tasks, and that's what only what we've seen (ie she may have been lame earlier and we just might not have been shown it). The first flop = Trump was clear in that he was not in favor of going to bed while there was work to be done, and not only did Tana go to bed leaving Kendra to finish the brochure alone, she gloated that she had immunity so her butt wasn't on the line anyway. This showed lack of follow-through and that when push comes to shove, she isn't a team player.

    The second glimpse of her ineptness was the Bedazzler debacle in which she completely lost touch with the big picture and spent HOURS trying to track down the Bedazzler, never actually found it and ended up GLUEING rhinestones on the T-Shirts (I give the rhinestones one or two washes) while completely ignoring little things like MARKETING. This flop showed her inability to see the big picture or to come out from her own narrow focus or even to manage her one employee by going to Staten Island alone and having Alex utilize the time on the task and not just for keeping her company (was he her escort or her employee?). I have a suspicion that Tana wanted Alex to come with her because she wanted him to witness her genius and to pay her lots and lots of compliments ("Tana, how clever" or "Tana, the bedazzler is such a dope idea").

    And finally, the last task which truly exposed Tana's inability to manage a large event on any level, as well as her delusions of grandeur. She couldn't handle the little things (brochure and flags, to name just two) and she couldn't handle the big picture (the flow of the event and the VIPs) and, most importantly, when things get crazy, she resorted to finger pointing, bad-mouthing and the old standby: fingers-in-ears and hands-over-eyes "everything is going beautifully".

    Most importantly, these last three tasks showed that the thing that appealed to most people about Tana (her niceness - "she's a nice lady") was pretty much a fairweather act. When things got tough, or when she didn't feel like it, Tana is the polar opposite of nice. She's a good actress and almost pulled it off. But, in the end her true colors came through.

    So, my point is that Trump may have seriously considered hiring Tana until the Pontiac task, but after that, I doubt that he even considered her a viable candidate, especially with Kendra's very public successes. My personal opinion is that Trump would have never hired Tana, even if she hadn't flopped so badly at the end. I just can't see him hiring a Mary Kay salesperson with no degree to run one of his companies. Like Carolyn said at one point "she's a nice lady, but I can't see her [working for you]" or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoegirl
    So, my point is that Trump may have seriously considered hiring Tana until the Pontiac task, but after that, I doubt that he even considered her a viable candidate, especially with Kendra's very public successes. My personal opinion is that Trump would have never hired Tana, even if she hadn't flopped so badly at the end. I just can't see him hiring a Mary Kay salesperson with no degree to run one of his companies. Like Carolyn said at one point "she's a nice lady, but I can't see her [working for you]" or something like that.

    Interesting Zoegirl. I love reading posts that are well thought out and readable and make a lot of sense. (you also hikari )
    I also think Tana had a chance until the bedazzler fiasco- and when Carolyn flat out said *no way* about Tana- that was the nail in her coffin. (I didn't actually see the Pontiac episode- but did Trump know at the time that Tana went to bed?) I feel like Trump would have hired her if she was worth it- even though she didn't graduate from college. She has enough credits, so a semester or two probably wouldn't have made a difference to Trump. As someone else said- Tana really shouldn't be on the *street smarts* team anyway. When the season started, I was really hoping for real street smart people- people who started thier own businesses (not real estate) but people who started as dishwashers and moved up to Restaurant managers, that sort of thing. I was disappointed in the candidates because they didn't seem to be *truly street smart* candidates...

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    At this point I really don't care I just want it over. Next time I am watching the Martha Stewart version it has got to be more interesting then the borefest this show has become.

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