3/4 Show Discussion **Spoilers**

[Bill]

But do we know alll of what she was responding to, could have been conveniently left out.

I think we know most all of what she responded to. Sorry, but in my opinion we don't need to look for some deep conspiracy for why Omarosa was both not likeable and fired.

You only need to look at the woman herself.

[pleasant1]

I think we know most all of what she responded to. Sorry, but in my opinion we don't need to look for some deep conspiracy for why Omarosa was both not likeable and fired.

You only need to look at the woman herself.

I'm not looking for any deep conspiracy theory, it's doesn't take any deep analyzing to know that these things are edited and they give you what they want to give you.

I don't think she was suitable for the job, which is the reason why she left, however I do think that PERHAPS (not saying it was or wasn't) editing did her in more than she did herself.

[makerc]

can you name 1 black woman that you feel was portrayed in a positive light?

With regards to just Apprentice, I don't think they've made Kwarme look bad. He doesn't seem to me to have good leadership skills, but I don't think a lot of the candidates remaining do either. I think they do portray him as a nice guy. Versus Nick who is portrayed as an arrogant and incompetent leader. They haven't portrayed Heidi as that great either. Her whole explosion in that episode w/ Kristi was ugly. Jesse was shown as a back-stabbing b*

As for examples from other shows, I didn't watch the whole Survivor series, so I'm not sure how many more examples there are. But a lot of ppl loved Alicia in S2 when she told whiny Kimmi off. Kesse from America's Next Top Model was portrayed as sweet and the show made a point of showing how everyone was especially affected by her leaving. There are, on the otherhand, less-likable characters in that show that happened to also be black. But the show is produced by Tyra Banks and Tyra's company. Tyra Banks herself is black. I really don't think race has anything to do with it. Also singers like Ruben did well from being in AI.

On the otherhand there have also been many Caucasian "villains" in shows. We have Johnny Fairplay, Jerri in S2, we have that bitchy girl next to Zhora in Joe Millionaire, we have Randi and her entire family being made fun of in My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance, Amy and Zack from PH.

Everyone's fair game for editing.

[Valien]

Although the plaster falling on her head wasn't shown, we saw the aftermath.

I could be wrong (I'm going from memory) but it went something like:
1) Camara was on Bill? , he says whoa
2) Camara pans to Omarosa, she is sitting cross-legged touching the back of her head.

If it were a serious injury we'd at the very least see Omarosa with her head in her arms. As it was she was smiling; and when she was touching her head it looked to me like she was trying to make sure she had nothing in her head, not feel for a lump.

In my opinion unless the turn from Bill to Omarosa edited out some time, this injury wasn't a big deal and Omarosa was definatly milking it for all it was worth.

[trumpfan]

Camera was on the other team:

*Squeel*

Pan to Omarosa bending knees sitting on the floor.

Pan to team talking and her patting her head while smiling and having a bit of a pained expression in her eyes.

Then they show Bill telling us that a little piece of plaster hit Omarosa.

[Valien]

With regards to just Apprentice, I don't think they've made Kwarme look bad. He doesn't seem to me to have good leadership skills, but I don't think a lot of the candidates remaining do either. I think they do portray him as a nice guy. Versus Nick who is portrayed as an arrogant and incompetent leader. They haven't portrayed Heidi as that great either. Her whole explosion in that episode w/ Kristi was ugly. Jesse was shown as a back-stabbing b*

I agree with you on Kwame, he really hasn't shown much except he's a nice guy who doesn't take initiative.

I don't think Nick has been edited as an incompetent leader. He's shown leading his team to thier two biggest wins. What I do think is he's shown as a bad worker. He doesn't like taking orders and had mailed it in more than once. As hard as I try I can't fault him for being arrogant, even though I don't like it. I think he's just trying to emulate Donald. Unfortunatly he hasn't acomplished anywhere near what he'd need to in life to get away with that kind of attitude.

Heidi is turning it around but she's got a long way to go to catch up with Amy and Troy. More than anyone she's taken the underdog role, or is edited like that.

[pleasant1]

With regards to just Apprentice, I don't think they've made Kwarme look bad. He doesn't seem to me to have good leadership skills, but I don't think a lot of the candidates remaining do either. I think they do portray him as a nice guy. Versus Nick who is portrayed as an arrogant and incompetent leader. They haven't portrayed Heidi as that great either. Her whole explosion in that episode w/ Kristi was ugly. Jesse was shown as a back-stabbing b*

As for examples from other shows, I didn't watch the whole Survivor series, so I'm not sure how many more examples there are. But a lot of ppl loved Alicia in S2 when she told whiny Kimmi off. Kesse from America's Next Top Model was portrayed as sweet and the show made a point of showing how everyone was especially affected by her leaving. There are, on the otherhand, less-likable characters in that show that happened to also be black. But the show is produced by Tyra Banks and Tyra's company. Tyra Banks herself is black. I really don't think race has anything to do with it. Also singers like Ruben did well from being in AI.

On the otherhand there have also been many Caucasian "villains" in shows. We have Johnny Fairplay, Jerri in S2, we have that bitchy girl next to Zhora in Joe Millionaire, we have Randi and her entire family being made fun of in My Big Fat Obnoxious Fiance, Amy and Zack from PH.

Everyone's fair game for editing.

I agree. I was asking about black women, and not necessarily about men. Although black men seem to mostly get "The Angry Black Man role." I think that Kessie was really in the minority for what I've seen on the show. And I'm really not talking about looking stupid necessarily but seemingly playing out the diva, neck rolling, angry, drama role.

question: Would you say that alot of these reality shows seem to somehow get at least 1 black woman w/ drama, if so, can you/do you see that as potentially harmful? I mean people can come away thinking all kinds of things from these shows about said persons.

[pleasant1]

Although the plaster falling on her head wasn't shown, we saw the aftermath.

I could be wrong (I'm going from memory) but it went something like:
1) Camara was on Bill? , he says whoa
2) Camara pans to Omarosa, she is sitting cross-legged touching the back of her head.

If it were a serious injury we'd at the very least see Omarosa with her head in her arms. As it was she was smiling; and when she was touching her head it looked to me like she was trying to make sure she had nothing in her head, not feel for a lump.

In my opinion unless the turn from Bill to Omarosa edited out some time, this injury wasn't a big deal and Omarosa was definatly milking it for all it was worth.

So now, everyone has to respond to pain the way you think they should in order for you to think they are in pain? I have a aunt who was in serious labor with no pain medication and everytime she had a contraction she'd hum.... do you think she was happy or that because she was humming it somehow made the pain not what it was?

[pleasant1]

I agree with you on Kwame, he really hasn't shown much except he's a nice guy who doesn't take initiative.

I don't think Nick has been edited as an incompetent leader. He's shown leading his team to thier two biggest wins. What I do think is he's shown as a bad worker. He doesn't like taking orders and had mailed it in more than once. As hard as I try I can't fault him for being arrogant, even though I don't like it. I think he's just trying to emulate Donald. Unfortunatly he hasn't acomplished anywhere near what he'd need to in life to get away with that kind of attitude.

Heidi is turning it around but she's got a long way to go to catch up with Amy and Troy. More than anyone she's taken the underdog role, or is edited like that.

I AGREE.

[creaturesatplay]

I am so angry!!! There is no way Omarosa should have been booted. She was the only one who made a sale and she didn't like the artist to begin with. Kwame is a punk!

i thought omarosa could have gotten out of being fired tonight if she'd stayed focused on the fact that she made the only sale, and that despite not being 'crazy' about the artist, backing the team's decision. instead...as trump said.. she displayed that ugly chip on her shoulder.

i've been dying for her to be booted... but for the task tonight.. she did herself in.