3/22 Discussion thread ****SPOILERS**** - Page 9

tfred · 03-23-2009, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Krom

Jesse finally pulls his idiot move.

1.) West Point is NOT a military base, as Jesse refers to it.

2.) And despite what he claims... ANYONE can get on it. Anyone. It's open to the public.

And there are a dozen locations close than it where you can rope a soldier or two into filming.

And then... more Missy Rivers mocking! Yay!

How about just hanging around some times square strip joint and grab a soldier there?

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Bunny555 · 03-23-2009, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tfred

Holding the suitcase? I don't get it!

It can mean either she is going to be leaving the Trump Towers with her suitcase or that she'll need to go back to holding the money case on Deal or No Deal.

Krom · 03-23-2009, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tfred

How is it a pyramid scheme? And actually for us not in the know, what IS a pyramid scheme. Is that like that guy in new york Maddern was running? How could they advertise that, isn't it illegal?

I was guessing based on that commercial that ACN might be a Pyramid scheme, but apparently I'm a pretty good guesser. A google search for "ACN scam" brings up a LOT of results. That doesn't prove it, but it certainly means a lot of people share that feeling.

At the very least the material easily found on Google shows it definitely IS an MLM (multi-level marketing). Which translates to "barely legal Pyramid scheme". Other Google phrases to try: "ACN MLM" and "ACN Pyramid".

But even before that search it seemed likely. If you recorded the Apprentice, go back and listen to the language in the ACN commerical--it had several key phrases used by all MLMs.

They DO deliver an actual product. So in that sense they aren't the WORST MLM offenders out there, and so yes... legally they aren't a Pyramid scheme, of the illegal and actionable variety. But their business plan is based just as much, or more, on selling "marketing packages" (with lots of hidden costs) to people to resell their product as it is actual sales of the product.

MsDiva2007 · 03-23-2009, 04:20 AM

I enjoyed the men's presentation. It was not supposed to be anything more than a corporate pep rally and the men got that. The women seemed to be trying to sell it to the audience, the audience didn't need that.

I loved Claudia's comments to Melissa that was marvelous. Finally someone has the balls to tell these Botoxed Cougars they look like clowns!

Jexter · 03-23-2009, 04:55 AM

I like Melissa Rivers. I like Joan Rivers. Melissa is far too young for plastic surgery and Joan should have dropped it many procedures ago, but I like them. I love their sarcasm, humor, drive, and tenacity. When Joan's husband/Melissa's father died, they really only had each other to fall back on. It seems to me they support each other in everything they do - which is how it should be.

I love that. As Joan would say, I think they are "terrific"!

Although, I would like to see them both put an ixnay on the plastic surgery.

Veruka · 03-23-2009, 07:33 AM

I'm glad that they nailed the whole "I don't like this person, so she should be fired" thing this week. IT's been an issue many many othe weeks as well, but I"m glad they finally picked up on it. Whether or not Melissa exaggerated her producing credentials she still was the best equipped of the women's team to make something happen. And given that Claudia is on the show because she looks pretty and opens a brief case with a number on it on a show which is on the same network as Celebrity Apprentice, I'm not really sure she's in a good position to be questioning the experience of ANYONE.

Bunny555 · 03-23-2009, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Veruka

I'm glad that they nailed the whole "I don't like this person, so she should be fired" thing this week. IT's been an issue many many othe weeks as well, but I"m glad they finally picked up on it. Whether or not Melissa exaggerated her producing credentials she still was the best equipped of the women's team to make something happen. And given that Claudia is on the show because she looks pretty and opens a brief case with a number on it on a show which is on the same network as Celebrity Apprentice, I'm not really sure she's in a good position to be questioning the experience of ANYONE.

Then Melissa should have used that tenacity of hers and stepped up to be project manager. She wants to be in control but only in a capacity that won't get her fired if her team loses. Don't forget how she tried to take credit for Claudia's ideas in the Zappos ad campaign.

miry · 03-23-2009, 10:32 AM

I think the three women in the board room were well chosen. Claudia, because she was the PM. Klhoe (spelling), because she took no initative. Melissa, because she created the vignettes that even Trump described as cheesey. Their presentation would have been just fine, if they vignettes weren't so terrible. Melissa Rivers claimed her 15 years experience and Claudia gave her that project to complete. She expected great results, because of the incredible amount of experience (actual or not) that Melissa claimed to have. Since the presentation was terrible, and the vignettes were the reason, the person responsible for creating them should have been responsible for the presentation's failure. I think Melissa should have been fired, because she is disruptive, disrespectful, and proven to be talentless.

MHcarrollton · 03-23-2009, 11:18 AM

I do not think Melissa is talentless at all. Quite frankly her mother and her have no looks at all, and in Hollywood that can get many doors shut in your face. However, Joan is very successful in her career, and Melissa is not just sitting back living off of her mother's money she used her mother's power surely, but you can say that about the Trump children as well. However, she is working and making a living, and if she was absolutely no good, she would not be there. I think Joan and Melissa are harder and more in your face because they have to be. Claudia has had several doors open to her based soley on her looks. She has not needed to be mouthy or obnoxious. We all work with what we are given whether it is looks, connections, sports ability, singing, etc. Melissa was born to a star, and yes she may have gotten some breaks because of it, but she is not just sitting around collecting free money because of it.

I love Jesse. Whether what he did could be done by all or not he is a wise man. I can truly see what Sandra sees in him. When they got rid of the excess baggage, the guys team is finely catching their groove. Dennis is absolutely ridiculous and he needs to go.

Once it gets down to Joan, Melissa, Anne, Jesse, Brian, Brandie, and perhaps Herschel the show will than get good. There is a lot of useless bodies yet on this show.

livin4reality · 03-23-2009, 11:55 AM

Trump turned into creepy old man talking about Brandie and actor dude kissing. eeewww.

and MHcarrollton great points about Joan/Melissa. Actually your whole post is very nice.

03-23-2009, 04:20 AM	#84
MsDiva2007 FORT Fogey Join Date: May 2007 Location: Del Mar, California Age: 47 Posts: 2,084	Re: 3/22 Discussion thread **SPOILERS** I enjoyed the men's presentation. It was not supposed to be anything more than a corporate pep rally and the men got that. The women seemed to be trying to sell it to the audience, the audience didn't need that. I loved Claudia's comments to Melissa that was marvelous. Finally someone has the balls to tell these Botoxed Cougars they look like clowns!

03-23-2009, 04:55 AM	#85
Jexter FORT Fogey Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 2,968	Re: 3/22 Discussion thread **SPOILERS** I like Melissa Rivers. I like Joan Rivers. Melissa is far too young for plastic surgery and Joan should have dropped it many procedures ago, but I like them. I love their sarcasm, humor, drive, and tenacity. When Joan's husband/Melissa's father died, they really only had each other to fall back on. It seems to me they support each other in everything they do - which is how it should be. I love that. As Joan would say, I think they are "terrific"! Although, I would like to see them both put an ixnay on the plastic surgery.

03-23-2009, 07:33 AM	#86
Veruka FORT Fogey Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 8,164	Re: 3/22 Discussion thread **SPOILERS** I'm glad that they nailed the whole "I don't like this person, so she should be fired" thing this week. IT's been an issue many many othe weeks as well, but I"m glad they finally picked up on it. Whether or not Melissa exaggerated her producing credentials she still was the best equipped of the women's team to make something happen. And given that Claudia is on the show because she looks pretty and opens a brief case with a number on it on a show which is on the same network as Celebrity Apprentice, I'm not really sure she's in a good position to be questioning the experience of ANYONE.

03-23-2009, 10:32 AM	#88
miry FORT Regular Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 76	Re: 3/22 Discussion thread **SPOILERS** I think the three women in the board room were well chosen. Claudia, because she was the PM. Klhoe (spelling), because she took no initative. Melissa, because she created the vignettes that even Trump described as cheesey. Their presentation would have been just fine, if they vignettes weren't so terrible. Melissa Rivers claimed her 15 years experience and Claudia gave her that project to complete. She expected great results, because of the incredible amount of experience (actual or not) that Melissa claimed to have. Since the presentation was terrible, and the vignettes were the reason, the person responsible for creating them should have been responsible for the presentation's failure. I think Melissa should have been fired, because she is disruptive, disrespectful, and proven to be talentless.

03-23-2009, 11:18 AM	#89
MHcarrollton FORT Fogey Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,504	Re: 3/22 Discussion thread **SPOILERS** I do not think Melissa is talentless at all. Quite frankly her mother and her have no looks at all, and in Hollywood that can get many doors shut in your face. However, Joan is very successful in her career, and Melissa is not just sitting back living off of her mother's money she used her mother's power surely, but you can say that about the Trump children as well. However, she is working and making a living, and if she was absolutely no good, she would not be there. I think Joan and Melissa are harder and more in your face because they have to be. Claudia has had several doors open to her based soley on her looks. She has not needed to be mouthy or obnoxious. We all work with what we are given whether it is looks, connections, sports ability, singing, etc. Melissa was born to a star, and yes she may have gotten some breaks because of it, but she is not just sitting around collecting free money because of it. I love Jesse. Whether what he did could be done by all or not he is a wise man. I can truly see what Sandra sees in him. When they got rid of the excess baggage, the guys team is finely catching their groove. Dennis is absolutely ridiculous and he needs to go. Once it gets down to Joan, Melissa, Anne, Jesse, Brian, Brandie, and perhaps Herschel the show will than get good. There is a lot of useless bodies yet on this show.

03-23-2009, 11:55 AM	#90
livin4reality FORT Fogey Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lawrence KS Posts: 2,208	Re: 3/22 Discussion thread **SPOILERS Trump turned into creepy old man talking about Brandie and actor dude kissing. eeewww. and MHcarrollton** great points about Joan/Melissa. Actually your whole post is very nice. __________________ I very much believe in rescuing animals, not buying them. Candice Bergen, on finding her dog, Lois, a terrier/basset hound mix