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Old 09-24-2004, 12:48 AM   #1
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Trump's Tv Rival Fires Back

TRUMP'S TV RIVAL FIRES BACK
BILLIONAIRE Mark Cuban has been beaten badly by his arch-rival Donald Trump — but he's not going away quietly.

The brash young owner of the Dallas Mavericks told PAGE SIX's Fernando Gil that Trump isn't a very good businessman and that he's starring in "The Apprentice" because he needs the money.

Trump started the hostilities last week on CNBC's "Squawk Box" when he trashed Cuban's very similar ABC show, "The Benefactor," which drew just 4.5 million viewers with its first episode. "The Apprentice" had 15.9 million viewers last week.

"I saw 'The Benefactor,' " Trump said. "I thought it was absolutely terrible. I thought Mark was terrible . . . They really tanked, so I doubt they can finish out the season."

Cuban was slated to respond to Trump on "Squawk Box" Tuesday morning, but abruptly canceled when producers refused to prepare a graphic listing all of Trump's business ventures.

The last-minute cancellation left host Mark Haines scrambling on-air and telling viewers, "I don't think Cuban's got his head screwed on straight on this one. We gave Cuban an opportunity to respond in kind about Donald's show. We are not going to be a party to expanding this into some kind of urinating contest."

Cuban accused NBC of setting him up: "I was going on the show because he [Trump] talked all this trash and I was going to talk trash right back," Cuban told us. "But since it's enemy territory, I wanted something to grab onto when they tried changing direction on me.

"I told them they had to put up graphics of a bunch of Trump's companies so I could analyze them, which is something they do all the time on 'Squawk Box.' Initially the producers agreed, so I flew into New York early to do the show, but they balked at the last minute," Cuban said, adding that "so many" of Trump's "companies failed. Trump Air, Trump Online University, Trump Ice, Trump Magazine. The list goes on and on."

And why did they fail? "He's just not that good," Cuban sniffed. "He's good at marketing his name and creating a brand, but when you supposedly have all that money, why do you need to dilute the brand to this point? Basically he needs the money."

"In the boardroom he doesn't know what he's doing. The lessons he gives on 'The Apprentice' are garbage. I'll put up the lessons from 'The Benefactor' against his any day."

Too bad for Cuban, millions of TV viewers don't agree.

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Old 09-24-2004, 03:43 AM   #2
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What? You mean Trump Ice never worked out? Shucks.

The Benefactor is crap. If it's airing on ABC it's not gonna last long. I still love the Mole and Extreme Makeover: Home Edition though.
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Trump: right Cuban: totally wrong

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The brash young owner of the Dallas Mavericks told PAGE SIX's Fernando Gil that Trump isn't a very good businessman and that he's starring in "The Apprentice" because he needs the money......Cuban said, adding that "so many" of Trump's "companies failed. Trump Air, Trump Online University, Trump Ice, Trump Magazine. The list goes on and on."

And why did they fail? "He's just not that good," Cuban sniffed. "He's good at marketing his name and creating a brand, but when you supposedly have all that money, why do you need to dilute the brand to this point? Basically he needs the money."

Rrrrrrrright, Mark. I'd love to be sleeping that cardboard box Trump calls home.

Trump Air, Trump Online University, Trump Ice, Trump Magazine......are just things to keep him busy and to keep his name out there, like owning a NBA team.

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"In the boardroom he doesn't know what he's doing. The lessons he gives on 'The Apprentice' are garbage. I'll put up the lessons from 'The Benefactor' against his any day."
I missed the point having the contestants pick teams to eliminate the odd man out...
Or having three 2nd graders decide the fate of two people...
Or how playing Jenga tests your skills at being calm in a business setting.
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I missed the point having the contestants pick teams to eliminate the odd man out...
Or having three 2nd graders decide the fate of two people...
Or how playing Jenga tests your skills at being calm in a business setting.
Exactly what I was thinking!
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Old 09-24-2004, 07:26 PM   #5
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Getting dissed in elementary school was degrading. Instead of leaving things in elementary school Mark Cuban promised to bring the little brats to the board room to preside over something else again. I hope it is not another round of firings. The first guy that was booted out for calling this a stupid show was only telling the truth. He just left out stale, boring, and stupid.

It is starting to look like Mark Cuban only was given this show because he offered to foot the million dollar bill for the winner. Who is writing this crap?
This show makes me wonder what type of criteria he uses to evaluate and select his regular employees. I saw him on Good Day Live today. He really thinks that the tasks and games on this show is providing him with a valid measure of the capabilities of the contestants to determine who deserves a million dollars.
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I saw part of the first episode. It was beyond insipid. Mark Cuban is already the butt of NBA jokes, I guess he wanted to try and be the butt of more mainstream jokes.
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This show makes me wonder what type of criteria he uses to evaluate and select his regular employees. I saw him on Good Day Live today. He really thinks that the tasks and games on this show is providing him with a valid measure of the capabilities of the contestants to determine who deserves a million dollars.
Oh yeah, Jenga. Maybe he should recruit that guy to play center for the Dallas Mavs. I stopped watching Benefactor after the Jenga episode on the first night. I don't like Trump or his choices either, but at least his show has some meaningful business tasks that are good to watch.

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Rrrrrrrright, Mark. I'd love to be sleeping that cardboard box Trump calls home.
It doesn't sound like Trump is exactly strapped for cash.

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Donald Trump's net worth edged up $100 million to $2.6 billion, despite the financial problems of his casino empire. But Trump slipped three spots on the list, falling to 74 from 71.


Forbes billionaire list grows by 51

Six Carolinians on the coveted list

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It looks like the U.S. billionaire's club isn't quite as exclusive as it once was.

There are now 313 billionaires in the country, the largest number ever and a huge jump over the 262 counted last year, according to Forbes magazine, which Thursday released its annual ranking of the 400 richest Americans.

The combined net worth of the 400 rose $45 billion and reached $1 trillion this year for the first time since 2000, before the dot-com bust wiped out billions of dollars in wealth.

The biggest billionaire of all was again Microsoft Corp. founder Bill Gates, whose $48 billion in estimated wealth was up $2 billion from 2003. Gates was again followed by investor Warren Buffett with $41 billion, the list's biggest dollar gainer with a $5 billion increase, and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen, who held the No. 3 spot although his net worth fell $2 billion to $20 billion.

Members of the Walton family, whose fortune comes from Wal-Mart Stores Inc., again swept spots four through eight, with each having estimated wealth of $18 billion.

The only tweak in the top 10 from last year came from Dell Computer Inc.'s Michael Dell and Oracle Corp.'s Lawrence Ellison, now No. 9 and No. 10 respectively after swapping places from 2003. Dell Computer stock has weathered the tech slump relatively well over the past year, giving Michael Dell a net worth of $14.2 billion. Ellison, whose stock has suffered, had $13.7 billion in holdings, a drop from $18 billion last year.

There are 45 new names on the list, including Google's Sergey Brin and Larry E. Page -- also the youngest members at 31.

Google's Brin and Page tied for No. 43 with $4 billion each after their company's stock went public in August.

Forbes senior editor Peter Newcomb attributed the overall gains in the list to the improving economy, as well as a good year in the financial sector and industries including food and wine.

Casino mogul Steve Wynn, who climbed to No. 215 from No. 377 last year, saw the largest percentage increase in wealth -- a 100 percent jump to $1.3 billion from $650 million. Last year's biggest dollar gainer, Amazon's Jeff Bezos, received the less-coveted title of biggest dollar loser this year with an $800 million drop.

Donald Trump's net worth edged up $100 million to $2.6 billion, despite the financial problems of his casino empire. But Trump slipped three spots on the list, falling to 74 from 71.

Charlotte Bobcats owner Bob Johnson was among fifty-four people who dropped off the list from last year, including such notables as Disney's Michael Eisner and Monster.com's Andrew McKelvey.

The 400 includes 51 women -- up just one from last year, but the average net worth of the women is $2.8 billion, higher than the list's average of $2.5 billion.

Forbes compiled its list by estimating the value of stock and other assets such as real estate held by the wealthiest Americans, Newcomb said. Forbes used the stock prices of publicly held companies as of Aug. 31; for privately held companies, the magazine estimated a fair market value based on the stocks of their publicly traded peers.

If the economy continues its upward trend, it's likely the 400 will grow even wealthier, Newcomb said, adding, "It won't be too long before our entire list consists of billionaires."

6 Carolinians on Forbes 400

Five North Carolinians and a South Carolinian are included in Forbes magazine's list of the 400 richest Americans.

Topping the Carolinas list was James Goodnight, 61, a co-founder of the software firm SAS Institute in Cary. He ranked 55th with an estimated worth of $3.2 billion, up from 62nd and $2.8 billion in 2003.
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I missed the point having the contestants pick teams to eliminate the odd man out...
Or having three 2nd graders decide the fate of two people...
Or how playing Jenga tests your skills at being calm in a business setting.
Well since I happen to watch both shows, I figure I might as well defend Cubans rationale behind the contestants picking teams to eliminate the odd man out.
Business is about relationships... the odd man out is the person who could least form a relationship with someone else.
The second graders was a test to see how well they could adapt to the situation and appease someone they don't know much about. So it came down to the two contestants who moved on, they appeased the second graders the best. Like in the board room, whoever doesn't get fired appeases Trump the best.
As for the Jenga, there is no business lesson there, it was just funny to see them play Jenga for the chance to win a million dollars.
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Old 09-24-2004, 10:07 PM   #10
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Or sometimes the thing you expect the least will get you the job/contract or get you canned. Many men have faltered on the golf course, even though it has zilch to do with whatever business deal was in question.

I had a friend once get an unbelievable job because her granny had taught her to make gnocchi. The guy who owned the company she joined was in tears , and gave her the job over others probably more qualified.
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