08-28-2003, 01:34 PM #111
Was James ...
Did anyone else think that James was, for lack of a better term, contradicting himself quite a bit in the last episode? Maybe I got this wrong, but he seemed to be a little mixed up. Shaken up, perhaps?
It may just be me, but I have watched it four times now, and I get the same impression each time.
08-28-2003, 01:50 PM #112
I'd think that being told one of the three guys you believed was interested in you was actually playing you for $25K would shake you up. I wouldn't be surprised if he did change his story in places to try and shake the fake. I would...
08-28-2003, 01:57 PM #113
Absolutely, I'd be a mess. They turned his whole world upside down, inside out, and expected him to rush off to a romantic 1-1 date that for the first time, he had to select the person to take. How fair is that to anyone involved in the show?
Originally Posted by jsciv
08-28-2003, 02:05 PM #114
In the interview footage, you could see that he was trying to cover for himself -- he knew that the interviews were going to be used on the show. He was confused, definitely, and rightly so. He wouldn't say black or white, because he knew it would eventually come back to bit him...
Originally Posted by FranFan
08-28-2003, 06:49 PM #115
After JAMES is told of the twisted twist by Dani, he goes into
"detective mode" in trying to determine, within the limitations,
who the "straight" culprit is. I disagreed with JAMES' method.
The "grilling" made all the contestants uncomfortable. A
romantic connection is virtually impossible to cement under
this kind of pressure. The suspicion caused by this twist
surely poisoned any chance that true love could prevail, if
indeed there was a chance for true love at all. My fun tact in
determining who was the culprit would have been to get as
intimate as the limits of the show allowed. Rather than grill
the candidates, JAMES should have gone as far physically
with them as he could, and then just gone with the person with
whom he felt the most passion. I don't think that person would
have been FRANKLIN had he done this KEN
08-30-2003, 03:48 AM #116
James' detective skills
James sucks as a detective!
First, he didn't try to manipulate anything sexual like a kiss, or touchy, touchy!
He could have asked questions like:
Tell me about your coming out? At what age did you know?
Did you see that article in Instinct about.... ?
Who is your favorite porn star?
Have you ever been to that bar in Oil Can Harry's in Studio City?
Which party on the circuit scene is your favorite?
Are you top or bottom?
Gees, the porn star one alone would have nailed it!
08-30-2003, 02:22 PM #117
I was thinking about that today. Fortunately, the show itself provided the easy lead-in. "The karaoke was fun. I finally remembered where I'd seen Miss Coco Peru before. It was in a movie, you remember which one? - Did you see 'Trick'?" (insert some conversation to verify that partner has seen it. If he has, you're done; have a great date! If not...) "Sweet film, but it bugs me that the gay guys were played by straight actors, y'know? I mean, it's like white actors in blackface, it's so demeaning...." If nothing else, playing a guilt trip on the straight guy has its own satisfaction.
08-30-2003, 02:45 PM #118
At the risk of offending...
ITA - I totally agree. Watching episodes 4 and 5 again last night, I got very frustrated with him.
Originally Posted by diva3000
Not only did he ask lousy questions, he admitted he didn't even know what he was looking for!
He accepted refusals to answer from two mates. The one mate who did answer his questions, he ignored what I believe were subtle advances. They began in episode 4 and, continued in episode 5 and were never reciprocated.
He missed some, IMO, very obvious attempts by this mate to get closer to him - as he was almost oblivious. Then he wonders why this mate doesn't attempt kiss him goodnight. Who would when three attempts at physical contact had failed to generate a reaction?
This could be a very long post, as there are so many things I want to say. I have decided, however, to put them in "spoilers" shortly before the final episode airs.
08-30-2003, 02:53 PM #119
Yeah I also agree, not a good gaydar detector. It's obvious Brian is straight.
08-30-2003, 03:59 PM #120
While I agree that James certainly seems to be lacking in detective skills, I don't think what you suggested would have proven anything. Gay men are just as diverse and any other part of the human race an they don't all share the same base of cultural knowledge, but virtue of their sexuality. Many gay men aren't interested in hanging out at bars and reading life style magazines anymore then their straight counterparts. In addition, I would imagine that anyone willing to do this would have been smart enough to read a few gay magazines and might very well be more up on things then many of the gay participants.
As to James detective skills. I think it was foolish to approach it as the grand inquistior. He certainly tipped up the straignt guy who is probably better prepared to deal with a lot of questions and he turned off his gay suiters who now think he has a hidden agenda. He put everyone on the defensive and that is certainly no way to get know someone. He did the same thing even before he learned of the twist. Several mates commented in earlier episodes that they wanted to get know him but he kept firing off endeless questions that made it impossible to have any real conversation. I think James would have gotten better results by approaching each date as if it were a real date and just relax and be himself. The straight mate would be more likely to give himself away if he were relaxed then if he was unguard. After the wine had flowed and the night wore their would be plenty of pportunity to slip in a casual clever question that would have revealed much. The one subject I haven't seen mentioned, perhaps it was forbidden by the rules is Aids. Every gay man I know (and I admit that is only the ones who are looking for monogomous relationships and not bar hopping) is terrified of finding Mr. Right and then learning he is HIV postive. Or worse not learning, until the relationship has begun. I wonder if Bravo tested all of the mates, because I would hate to imagine their liabiltiy if two guy hooked up because of them and one of them passed the Aids virus to the other.
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