Payback's A Bitch
Payback's A Bitch
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Love Always Patricia
I just finished Angels and Demons which is the prequel to The Da Vinci Code so I'm going to read that now.
Yes, I have officially jumped on the Dan Brown bandwagon. They are both great books!![]()
So, you're saying that.. to some, it's fiction, and the others, it's non-fiction. Alrighty. Thanks.Originally Posted by geek the girl
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Stop the world! I want to get off!
Young and thriving, I feel infinite. Need I say more?
Lonelyguy82,
I'm not sure how I feel about your posts. That is, I'm not sure if you're serious since I think it would be fairly obvious that many, many people consider the Holy Bible a work of non-fiction.
Having said that, our Administrator, John, discourages religious discussions, and I would ask that we remember that and for us to respect his wishes.
Now, let's get back to why we think Dan Brown sucks or where Patricia Cornwell went wrong.![]()
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"...Every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but...the bad things don’t always spoil the good things." - The Doctor
Alrighty, back to Patricia Cornwell:
I finished Trace last weekend and found it infinitely better than the catastrophy that was Blow Fly. The third person perspective still bothered me, but not nearly as much as it did with Blow Fly, and while Scarpetta still comes off as a slightly unbearable know-it-all at times, I felt that Cornwell had toned it down a bit. Still, it's not even close to some of the best Scarpetta novels (I rank The Body Farm, Post Mortem and From Potter's Field the highest.) Definitely a tiny step in the right direction though.Click to see Spoiler:
Any news on when a new Scarpetta novel will be released? When the paperback edition of Blow Fly came out here in Europe last summer, Trace was about to be published a few months later. It was even mentioned in the author biography that came with the book. No word on a new Cornwell, Scarpetta or non-Scarpetta in the paperback edition of Trace. I guess I'll have to satisfy my need for ghastly murders, suspence and gory details elsewhere. I just got the brand new Harlan Coben stand-alone thriller, The Innocent in the mail. Anyone had the time to read it yet? I'm also thinking about acquainting myself with Michael Connelly and George P. Pelecanos, and possibly even explore an old fave in the more hard-boiled genre - James Ellroy. For some weird reason, I love the combination of summer and crime novels.
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"There's more to life than books, you know, but not much more" (Morrissey)
According to Amazon, "Predator" will be released on October 18. That's the next Scarpetta book.
Thanks, John. Looking forward to it! So I guess she's keeping the schedule after all. I think Trace was released in hardcover last October.Originally Posted by John
"There's more to life than books, you know, but not much more" (Morrissey)
Dreamer, IMHO, I don't think Dan Brown is a particularly deep writer, but I confess I find something page-turningly worthwhile in his books.If you've read Angels & Demons and Da Vinci Code, you've got Deception Point and Digital Fortress to look forward to, although neither is anything like Angels or DVC.
I've never been absorbed into Cornwell's world, and I've tried. It's interesting you should bring up the first person versus third person issue, since my issue with Cornwell/Scarpetta is Cornwell's relationship to Scarpetta--that is, I think Cornwell thinks she's Scarpetta (as Kellerman, in some ways, thinks he's Delaware).Originally Posted by geek the girl
That's what I like about pop authors: You can time their new releases year after year, almost like clockwork.Any news on when a new Scarpetta novel will be released? When the paperback edition of Blow Fly came out here in Europe last summer, Trace was about to be published a few months later. It was even mentioned in the author biography that came with the book. No word on a new Cornwell, Scarpetta or non-Scarpetta in the paperback edition of Trace.
No, I haven't, but you've just reminded me that I still need to pick it up.I guess I'll have to satisfy my need for ghastly murders, suspence and gory details elsewhere. I just got the brand new Harlan Coben stand-alone thriller, The Innocent in the mail. Anyone had the time to read it yet?
I couldn't more highly recommend Michael Connelly, and this is a good time, since the latest novel in his Harry Bosch series (The Closers) was released this week.I'm also thinking about acquianting myself with Michael Connelly and George P. Pelecanos, and possibly even explore an old fave in the more hard-boiled genre - James Ellroy. For some weird reason, I love the combination of summer and crime novels.
The Bosch novels make a lot more sense read in order. Here's a list I once compiled for another Web site:
The Black Echo (1992)
The Black Ice (1993)
The Concrete Blonde (1994)
The Last Coyote (1995)
Trunk Music (1997)
Angels Flight (1999)
A Darkness More Than Night (2001)
City of Bones (2002)
Lost Light (2003)
The Narrows (2004)
His other novels, such as Chasing the Dime and Void Moon, are worthwhile, too, but I'm heavily invested in Bosch.
And this must be my longabout way of saying that "What I'm reading??" is the new Connelly Bosch mystery, The Closers...as soon as I pick it up from the bookstore later today.![]()
"...Every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but...the bad things don’t always spoil the good things." - The Doctor
Thanks, phat, for taking the time to educate me in the world of Harry Bosch. My fiancé is already a big Connelly fan, and we usually have the same taste in crime novels. I usually like to read books in the correct order, so I'll start off with The Black Echo and take it from there. I might take the The Poet - The Narrows route as well, though - my fiancé is currently reading The Poet and is raving about it. Would it make sense to read The Narrows before the other Bosch novels, though? I wouldn't want to be spoiled or anything.
So true. Even the physical description matchesOriginally Posted by phat32
The Scarpetta/Cornwell egocentricity is one of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to the Scarpetta series. On one hand, it's really annoying, but it's quite entertaining too. Maybe the change of narrative is an attempt for Cornwell to distantiate herself from her narcissistic alter ego Scarpetta? Not sure it works though; while Scarpetta can be annoying at times, I still liked being inside her head.
"There's more to life than books, you know, but not much more" (Morrissey)
Originally Posted by geek the girl
Ooh, The Poet > The Narrows would be an interesting route, and, yes, I think if you want a taste of the Bosch mysteries, you may be better off reading one or two to start, rather than be overwhelmed all at once.My fiancé is already a big Connelly fan, and we usually have the same taste in crime novels. I usually like to read books in the correct order, so I'll start off with The Black Echo and take it from there. I might take the The Poet - The Narrows route as well, though - my fiancé is currently reading The Poet and is raving about it. Would it make sense to read The Narrows before the other Bosch novels, though? I wouldn't want to be spoiled or anything.
How about this: Blood Work > A Darkness More Than Night. Blood Work the Novel is about a thousand times better than Blood Work the Film. BW is a non-Bosch novel that features Terry McCaleb (Eastwood's character in the film), who crosses into ADMTN and teams-up with Bosch.
ADMTN is perhaps one of my favorite Bosch novels, but if you're reading Bosch for the first time, he's never as scary-ass again as he is in this one.
ETA: Whatever you do, you don't want to read the last three novels first. I wouldn't even read the back-cover blurbs. How do I put this without giving away one iota of what I'm talking about? Bosch has, er, a different living situation in the most recent three novels that's a very pleasant surprise.
Yep. As it is with Kellerman/Delaware. I mean, I've seen photos of Kellerman on the dust jacket, and even though Delaware is a "curly-haired," single playboy, I'm like, "Dude, Kellerman, who are you trying to fool? You and Delaware were both child psychologists at a well-known hospital in L.A."So true. Even the physical description matches![]()
Yes, it's that complete, overreaching narcissism that completely turns me off to Cornwell. I find the same thing with Anne Rice.The Scarpetta/Cornwell egocentricity is one of my biggest pet peeves when it comes to the Scarpetta series. On one hand, it's really annoying, but it's quite entertaining too. Maybe the change of narrative is an attempt for Cornwell to distantiate herself from her narcissistic alter ego Scarpetta? Not sure it works though; while Scarpetta can be annoying at times, I still liked being inside her head.
BTW, you also mentioned Ellroy. Consider me a huge fan, as L.A. Confidential is one of my favorite films, and Black Dahlia one of my favorite crime novels. I've been struggling with Cold Six Thousand for two years, though, and even though I'm not ready to give it up, what did you think of it?
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"...Every life is a pile of good things and bad things. The good things don’t always soften the bad things, but...the bad things don’t always spoil the good things." - The Doctor