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    I'll just add my two cents about Bonnie. Please note that I absolutely do not claim to know what I am about to suggest, or indeed that I have seen anything on the show that suggests it. However, I do know that reality shows notoriously edit people and events to the point that they can be reinterpreted and in the end incidents are unrecognizable. I wouldn't even have thought about it in Bonnie's case, only I had a very interesting discussion about Anna Kournikova with my brother, a super knowledgeable sports nut who lives in England and has been following Kournikova's career since its start. When I first mentioned to him that Kournikova was going to be one of the Biggest Loser trainers, the first thing he said was "I see. Well, expect her to antagonize her team which is going to lose pretty badly from the start." I did mention to him again that what he had predicted happened, only I thought that older people lose weight with greater difficulty and cannot always perform as well as the younger ones, and maybe this was the reason, rather than Kournikova antagonizing them which I hadn't really noticed. His retort was that older people do lose weight, and that there have been many older people who did very well on TBL, including a winner (they get the show on cable in the UK). Moreover, he believed that reality shows are heavily edited, and that he happens to know more about Kournikova than I do, which is, after all, very true.

    One thing that he also remarked was that he hated how the show made a big deal out of her being a great athlete, since Kournikova was a notoriously bad player for the level she was playing, and that much of what she accomplished, which wasn't so much, was because of her personal beauty and appeal. Her career had initially shown promise when she was very very young, but she hadn't really won any major titles later, when it really mattered.

    Anyway, as I said before, I don't know personally, and I haven't really noticed this, but at the same time, I cannot ignore what my brother says because I haven't met his like sports-nut-wise in my life!

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    There's certainly some truth to the looks vs. ability part at the least....my sig. other used to refer to her as Anna Pornakova in her younger days, and I don't think the "name" was my S.O.'s creation. Not that she did porn, but that she seemed much more into taking advantage of her looks than into tennis.
    On the show though they seem to show her being nice...

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    Re: Show Discussion 10/18/11 ****Spoilers****

    Quote Originally Posted by PWS View Post
    On the show though they seem to show her being nice...
    Which is why I was totally shocked when they had to bleep her out a couple of times. It seemed so out of character.

    Who knows, maybe she is like what's her name on Project Runway--the beauty queen--she knows how to make it seem like even her pooh smells like Chanel #5 while taking no prisoners in the process.

    Edited to add: I want to acknowledge that what we see on "reality tv" is only as real as the producers and editors make it seem to be...

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    I'm going to make some generalizations here about Anna. She reminds me of the eastern Europeans I know who are very nice but who are also blunt; they don't adhere to the niceties but tell the unvarnished truth. It may be that Bonnie doesn't care for that and would prefer someone to laud her every effort.
    Anna was always known for her looks more than her moves on the tennis court. That said, she did play at the pro level so even if she was no Martina Navratilova she was still a good enough athlete to make the tour.
    Edited to add: I looked her up and she was actually ranked number one in doubles and won the Australian Open twice in that event (for non-tennis fans the Australian Open is one of the prestigious Grand Slam tournaments, along with Wimbledon etc).She was best at doubles; doubles never gets the attention that singles gets which may explain the lack of appreciation for her prowess. The highest she was ranked in singles was number eight, which is no mean feat either.
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    Re: Show Discussion 10/18/11 ****Spoilers****

    I'm going to make some generalizations here about Anna. She reminds me of the eastern Europeans I know who are very nice but who are also blunt; they don't adhere to the niceties but tell the unvarnished truth. It may be that Bonnie doesn't care for that and would prefer someone to laud her every effort.
    Oh! You have a good point about being blunt! I bet that's it! It could be just flat out culture shock because she is used to people who wrap everything up in niceness, such as "bless her heart" when they really mean "that little witch." I'm not Southern, so I'll let Southerners speak for themselves about this issue.

    But, I'm guessing that the other trainers wouldn't wrap everything up in niceties either and so she would suffer from culture shock no matter which trainer she had.

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    As I said last week, I did wonder why the older team was so bad and I thought it was because Anna is not pushing them as hard. Still think so. Jillian and Bob pushed the older contestants just as hard. I do think she has a problem with bonnie and that's all Bonnie, not Anna.


    On the first episode I already noticed the real Bonnie. yes what Debbie said was not nice but what i picked up was first Debbie gave Bonnie a compliment,something about her being the mom of the group or so, well that was what she thought so she started crying again , but then when Debbie continued talking about the not so nice things, immediately the tears were gone so I remember thinking debbie is right. She can put them on and off.

    This woman coves to get attention. She makes me sick, the way she fell down, waited till she got every one's full attention and then to stand up telling them all was good. ugh!

    I do think if the blue team had have Jillian or Bob for a trainer there would have at least been 4 members still there.

    Sick of the black team winning. I knew they'd win beforehand. Oh one more thing. When the guy of the red team started to speak after they knew they ahd to eict one of them, I thought he is goig to step up and tell them send me home, he has assigned himself the leader remember. Boy was i wrong.
    Very weird that Jessica voted for her best friend so yes this could definitely be strategy.

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    I'm not totally southern but not northern either but I have to say that here in KY...depending on where you live in KY (I live just south of Louisville)....it is a mix of bluntness and being fake nice. Then are extremely sincere real women. It's a mix depending on where you were raised, how you were raised, etc. I won't lie to someone...I won't say you are doing good when you aren't. I will find another way to tell you that the dress doesn't like right on you. It's not sugar coating....it's speaking in love. BUT I have had to be blunt with some friends with the speaking in love didn't work after many attempts. Some are still my friends and we are closer now but a few I don't see much anymore.

    If I was being trained I would want bluntess and harshness and some encouragement which is what we see Anna doing....through editing. I don't want someone to give me platitudes.

    I think I read somewhere that Anna injured her back so that is why her career ended and she never really reached her full potential. I don't know her so don't know if she really is a nice person or an antagonizer. To antagonize is to annoy, to provoke, to irritate, to upset, to rile, etc so to me that is what all the trainers do!!!! Maybe Bonnie deserves to be antagonized...maybe Anna feels this is a way to get her to give it her all. Not sure. Just a thought.
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    Re: Show Discussion 10/18/11 ****Spoilers****

    Quote Originally Posted by mandmmom2 View Post
    I'm not totally southern but not northern either but I have to say that here in KY...depending on where you live in KY (I live just south of Louisville)....it is a mix of bluntness and being fake nice. Then are extremely sincere real women. It's a mix depending on where you were raised, how you were raised, etc. I won't lie to someone...I won't say you are doing good when you aren't. I will find another way to tell you that the dress doesn't like right on you. It's not sugar coating....it's speaking in love. BUT I have had to be blunt with some friends with the speaking in love didn't work after many attempts. Some are still my friends and we are closer now but a few I don't see much anymore.

    If I was being trained I would want bluntess and harshness and some encouragement which is what we see Anna doing....through editing. I don't want someone to give me platitudes.

    I think I read somewhere that Anna injured her back so that is why her career ended and she never really reached her full potential. I don't know her so don't know if she really is a nice person or an antagonizer. To antagonize is to annoy, to provoke, to irritate, to upset, to rile, etc so to me that is what all the trainers do!!!! Maybe Bonnie deserves to be antagonized...maybe Anna feels this is a way to get her to give it her all. Not sure. Just a thought.
    I'm going to consider you a "Southerner", because my mother is originally from KY, and marrying my father and living in Boston for years and years, she's still the most southern belle! <3 <3 <3 Accents from KY are beautiful.

    Oh.....BTW, ITA with everything else you said!

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    Re: Show Discussion 10/18/11 ****Spoilers****

    Sometimes they show Bob angry, but maybe the producers told him to act angry to help ratings. Anna seems mild-mannered. The way that Bonnie is edited, makes it seem as if she has some of the symptoms of histrionic personality disorder. Those with the disorder have an overwhelming desire to be noticed, and often behave dramatically or inappropriately to get attention. (Bonnie laying on the ground after tripping on the rope maze). A person with this disorder might also: shift emotions rapidly. Be excessively sensitive to criticism or disapproval. (Bonnie said she didn't get enough attention from Anna). Have a low tolerance for frustration and be easily bored by routine. (Bonnie not interested in intense swimming workouts).

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    Re: Show Discussion 10/18/11 ****Spoilers****

    Quote Originally Posted by bachelorwatcher View Post
    Sometimes they show Bob angry, but maybe the producers told him to act angry to help ratings. Anna seems mild-mannered. The way that Bonnie is edited, makes it seem as if she has some of the symptoms of histrionic personality disorder. Those with the disorder have an overwhelming desire to be noticed, and often behave dramatically or inappropriately to get attention. (Bonnie laying on the ground after tripping on the rope maze). A person with this disorder might also: shift emotions rapidly. Be excessively sensitive to criticism or disapproval. (Bonnie said she didn't get enough attention from Anna). Have a low tolerance for frustration and be easily bored by routine. (Bonnie not interested in intense swimming workouts).
    The Blue Team only has two team members, exactly how much attention from Anna does Bonnie need?
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