8/29 Show Discussion **West Coast Spoilers**

[Tilden]

This is when it gets fun!! That is why I watch survivor for the big moves. I hate it when one alliance systematically picks off the other alliance. Good gameplay but bad television.

I actually think Dan will not "betray" especially with all the swearing on stuff. And despite all the stuff that Frank/Mike have said about him - he hasn't actually been that unloyal/untrustworthy. He did the Janelle thing but he was trying to work with her until he saw he couldn't.

I think he will be loyal - until he has to make the next alliance for some reason. That was a crazy episode that's for sure.

If he can actually get the four to whom he is now loyal to the final four, he's going to have to go back on the promise to Frank for final two. Frank is too dangerous as competition in the final two, because he can argue that he was the competition king, if nothing else. Danielle and Jenn might be too sympathetic and an easy out vote for people who were still upset with Dan, as a number of jurors might be, but Dan could conceivably sway the vote his way by saying that he carried Danielle and Jenn's big move in pulling him off the block was orchestrated by him. Besides, unless Frank is completely clueless, he'd want to get rid of Dan once they got to the final four, because he has to know he'd be very persuasive in answering the jurors' questions and can make a better case for himself as a player than Danielle and Jenn, so Dan needs to eliminate that possibility (and the fact that Frank might be very hard to beat in final HOH).

Depending on who wins the next two HOHs, Frank's luck may be running out anyway. I suppose he could win every veto competition, but if he doesn't, it wouldn't surprise me terribly if the rest of the house guests didn't realize they had to get rid of him to have a chance of winning anything. Well, him and Dan, but Frank's at a bigger disadvantage for the next two weeks, since he can't even play in the HOH competitions, as he's the current HOH and has given up his chance at the one following that. He's got to count on either winning the Veto if he's nominated or trusting that someone will pull him off the block if he doesn't, and I'm not sure he can trust everyone in that four that much.

[tbamom]

Consider who he was manipulating, none of them are what I call good players. Why does he want to save Dani, and I thought everyone disliked her? Jen city made a BIG move, well Frank asked her to.

I think I watch because it makes me feel very intelligent.

[Fanny Mare]

I think I watch because it makes me feel very intelligent.

LOL me too

[sweetpea]

I don't get much time in the summer to watch tv, but I caught up on the last 3 episodes and all I can say is to Dan. That was some master manipulating. This is why you never give up, never. It helped that Ian made himself look bad with the Boogie vote already, so Frank was more than able to believe he was the mole the entire time.

I like Dan. He's funny and obviously very smart when it comes to this game. It should be interesting to see what happens next, and whether he and Frank keep their alliance intact, and also whether Ian is as good a student of the game as he thinks he is, now that the target will be squarely on his back unless he can work something out.

[Judge Judy]

This was the best episode of BB I have seen as a viewer, I don't feel sorry for Britt becuase she was upset that Dan did not throw the challange, yet she had no problem with Dan not being saved by Ian's veto. I hope after Britt leaves Ian is the next one out the door.

Dan is really a master player and totally turned the tides around. If indeed it happens to be a Dan Frank final two I hope Dan wins as Frank has been saved many times do to others stupidity.

[petzl]

Depending on who wins the next two HOHs, Frank's luck may be running out anyway. I suppose he could win every veto competition, but if he doesn't, it wouldn't surprise me terribly if the rest of the house guests didn't realize they had to get rid of him to have a chance of winning anything.

Absolutely. Frank has to survive *TWO* HoHs... This time, they'll just put 2 pawns on the block and back-door him. Altho, Frank is so competitive, what they'll be scared of is Frank winning two POVs ... But Frank has got to go. No question, he's target #1. Look at him! If he makes it to the final 2, he'd have the best competitive record of all time. But Frank's luck can't last: I mean, he's not Tebowing or anything after he wins these comps. God is going to catch up with him at some point. So, when his luck runs out, he'll be on the jury and Dan won't have had a part in it. There'll be no blood on Dan's hands, and Dan gets Franks vote (the irony!)

[Arielflies]

CSW's terrific recap of this momentous show is up in the WED recap thread.

[malthus]

I agree that he won't want to do F2 I'm just not sure that he'll betray him immediately (especially since he is despised by the rest of the house now).

I think someone else said this but part of Dan's ability to say F2 deal is that the odds are probably good that someone will knock Frank out before it comes to that and Dan can count on him as a juror because they had a deal (which Dan didn't have to go back on).

If he can actually get the four to whom he is now loyal to the final four, he's going to have to go back on the promise to Frank for final two. Frank is too dangerous as competition in the final two, because he can argue that he was the competition king, if nothing else. Danielle and Jenn might be too sympathetic and an easy out vote for people who were still upset with Dan, as a number of jurors might be, but Dan could conceivably sway the vote his way by saying that he carried Danielle and Jenn's big move in pulling him off the block was orchestrated by him. Besides, unless Frank is completely clueless, he'd want to get rid of Dan once they got to the final four, because he has to know he'd be very persuasive in answering the jurors' questions and can make a better case for himself as a player than Danielle and Jenn, so Dan needs to eliminate that possibility (and the fact that Frank might be very hard to beat in final HOH).

Depending on who wins the next two HOHs, Frank's luck may be running out anyway. I suppose he could win every veto competition, but if he doesn't, it wouldn't surprise me terribly if the rest of the house guests didn't realize they had to get rid of him to have a chance of winning anything. Well, him and Dan, but Frank's at a bigger disadvantage for the next two weeks, since he can't even play in the HOH competitions, as he's the current HOH and has given up his chance at the one following that. He's got to count on either winning the Veto if he's nominated or trusting that someone will pull him off the block if he doesn't, and I'm not sure he can trust everyone in that four that much.