Last Words ... Bachelorette 5

[sweetpea]

BigLove44 please, read Computer's post again. You stated

Cheeky has mentioned numerous times that she has no agenda and you still don't believe her.

I've bolded a part of it for you...

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Yes you might be right, I haven't seen those posts and I believe you when you say there a pretty angry posts.

I will tell you honestly, when you started telling the things about Ed, I read them and had an open mind when reading them, you were trying to state the "facts/rumours" (whatever, the one for some, the other for others).

But since you (and also sdl) lost objectivity I am cautious about what you are writing. I am not saying you have to be objective regarding the gf rumours (I understand you cannot be, since you said you know more).

But I noticed that you lost your objectivity regarding Ed as a person and that's why maybe (just maybe, I don't know of course) some people might think you have an agenda. Maybe some are saying you have an agenda because they think you do and are angry that someone is attacking their favorite, I don't know. I for one do not think you have an agenda and I even tend to believe that there might be truth to the rumours, but I don't know for sure and it's still not enough for me to see them as facts.

I do however question the rumours regardig Ed as a person (alcoholic, loser etc., bad person)

I personally do not think you have an agenda, but I do think that your judgement of Ed as a person might be clouded because of what you know.

And posts like "maybe there is no good moment of Ed to show" or "he is a loser" might/could/maybe make people question your intentions.

And please, please do not say that you cannot give more info, because that is absolutely not my intention, I am not trying to get you to tell me anything. It looks like more people know about this, and I am sure that if the rumours are true, there are more people who know and they will tell it anyway, and if not, fine by me.

She clearly stated she doesn't think CC has an agenda.

[Living]

I just watched a clip of Jill/ED on Regis & Kelly doing that 'he said/she said' game. One thing that stood out to me was that she is always the one being demonstrative. She is always the one leaning in for a kiss, being affectionate. NEVER HIM.

Just thought that was very telling.

What does the bolded mean. Can you please elaborate.

I watched the same show. Before they went into the room, they whispered alot to one another. He bent down to give her a kiss. I do not know if some expected him to fondle her or what.

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[biglove44]

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you might want to read my post again.

You're telling her what she said. Again, there's a difference between IMO and sharing information about contestants.

Edit - my mistake about the agenda part tag team computer and sweetpea!

[BachfanNY]

What does the bolded mean. Can you please elaborate.

I watched the same show. Before they went into the room, they whispered alot to one another. He bent down to give her a kiss. I do not know if some expected him to fondle her or what.

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lol, I swear, if I didn't know any better I'd think you were Jillian herself!

[Alanna]

What does the bolded mean. Can you please elaborate.

I watched the same show. Before they went into the room, they whispered alot to one another. He bent down to give her a kiss. I do not know if some expected him to fondle her or what.

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This is hilarious!! "Fondle her or what?" Love it! And I agree, they seemed fine and she's definitely all glowy and fawning over him.

[cheekychook]

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I will have to look up your post. You did in one post say, I thik when he was drunk when someone said "not a good moment of Ed to show", you said "maybe he doesn't have any good moments to show".

sdl is the one who called him a loser.

Saying he may not have had any good moments to show was, first of all, said rather sarcastically and not as a factual offering. If he was drunk that night during filming it is entirely possible that there was no "better" footage they could have used. Obviously they have shown enough "good" footage of him for tons of viewers to have formed the opinion that he is the greatest catch ever. That view is also an opinion, not a fact.

I have never called him a loser, an alcoholic or a bad person---you stated that I had, so I corrected you---that's all.

[computer]

You're telling her what she said. Again, there's a difference between IMO and sharing information about contestants.

Edit - my mistake about the agenda part tag team computer and sweetpea!

I don't understand what you mean? Can you explain?

[boomer_lady]

I am through with the proof issue on here. Next! If the edit reflects what the producers supposedly thought, why didn't they clue in their Bachelorette? Why didn't they tell her before she selected Ed as her F1? If she was as drawn as the edit seems to make people feel, and if the producers "knew" all of this, why didn't they let her know so that she could have selected Reid or at least postponed the moment of decision at the FRC? We would have had a whopper of an ending - much, much more dramatic and exciting than what we had. If they knew, why did they let their bachelorette go unsuspecting to the very end in the manner in which she did?

I'd like to know too, because as far as I am concerned just going by the edit, this season doesn't make any sense. Part of me thinks they knew and tried to change Jillian's mind but (as per CH) she was too stubborn and infatuated with Ed. It's unfortunate for Wes that they used him and his flaws to an extreme to make a point, and it the end show Ed the finger....

[Teresa999]

"I have asked this before but have not seen an answer---maybe I missed it. What on earth does Ed's behavior have to do with Wes? And how is Wes under any "pressure" now? Is anyone actually still even talking about Wes at all? Forgive me if I've just missed the posts that have addressed this---I've had very limited computer access for the past 10 days".
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Wes has been trying to defend himself for weeks now in interviews and on RS's site, and on Youtube by saying it wasn't him who had the girlfriend and that he was edited to make him look like the bad guy. If info comes out that Ed had the girlfriend problem, then it makes Wes look better (not saying Wes is divulging any info or anything). He said he has lost gigs because of all of this. And he has been harassed because of it. Laurel even has had threatening phone calls. So that's his "pressure".

[biglove44]

I don't understand what you mean? Can you explain?

Like the previous post cheeky just posted, when it's opinion about someone, she'll say, IMO. When it's factual information she has, which you may see as rumour, she doesn't post "in my opinion". Like anyone else on here, if you have information about a contestant, then you post it, however much or little you want, that's the point of a message board.