7/06 Show Discussion **West Coast Spoilers Only**

[Neicey3]

I am so looking forward to the MTA. I usually like that episode best. I am torn though, I can't wait for Chris and the guys to tear into Wes, but I really DO NOT want to look at that man any longer, I don't want him on my television ever again. I understand that he has defenders and the edit has a lot to do with it, but frankly, if you don't say the words then they can't be used. And, if he stayed off the booze he'd be better off too. I actually can picture him on the MTA drunk. Wouldn't that be a sad commentary about him?

I don't think Wes can function without a drink in his hand. I'm sure he'll have lots to say at the MTA episode.

[KCCasey]

Meh. He's pathetic!

Oh, and to Reid fans...they cut the scene of them together at the EME Fusion

Here is a cap

So we have a cap of them in the hotel in Spain, but that wasn't shown? It looked like Jillian was getting a piggy back ride home and that was the end of the date, and Ed and Kiptyn were the only ones with hotel time. But I suppose that was Fleiss' point. Does that bode well for Reid or not?

[BTW]

I thought Ed showed a lot of humor tonight. It sounds like some of you took some of the things he said about him being all about him but I have the same kind of sense of humor and I think Jillian got it. He also said some things that showed he's thought things out about what happens after the show and I'm not sure Kip & Reid can get there yet. I also didn't think Ed was pressuring Jillian to stay with him. Clearly they needed to spend more time together but it didn't have to mean spending the night. She made the decision herself to do that. I'm not sure why she didn't want to spend the time with Kip and Reid. It doesn't have to be about more than that.

I'm a happy camper. A great Ed date and Wes is gone. Editing my eye. He's a jerk and I don't care who he's friends with.

I liked Ed better tonight than before. I'm torn between him and Reid for Jillian. I can imagine how she feels Kip is pretty nice too, but I just don't see that going too far. Reid interacts so comfortably with her. He was adorable and so understanding tonight.

[missdrspark]

the thing that ed said in next week promo i dont want to hurt but have to do this
could be from episode 5 when he left

[KCCasey]

Reid interacts so comfortably with her. He was adorable and so understanding tonight.

But remember she doesn't want someone who goes along with what she says (as per her date with Kip.) This could have been a little test of some kind. And Ed is the only one made her change her mind. Hmmm.

[atem]

So we have a cap of them in the hotel in Spain, but that wasn't shown? It looked like Jillian was getting a piggy back ride home and that was the end of the date, and Ed and Kiptyn were the only ones with hotel time. But I suppose that was Fleiss' point. Does that bode well for Reid or not?

Because, they like to make Reid fans suffer? Just kidding. I really don't know why.

[coastalbc]

I was so proud of Jilly and her decision to keep the relationships about communication. Good for her! It was also so telling to me in how the men reacted. Kiptyn was completely fine with it, told her he respected her decision right away - no hesitation or manipulation - just a good guy response. Reid was honest and funny about it "she made a good decision for herself but it sucks for me". He also handled it well and in a gentlemanly fashion. Ed, on the other hand, made me mad. Here he is, already left her once, pressuring her with the "I missed time with you" statement. . . not a good thing at all. . . he is not taking no for an answer because he tends to be all about Ed (at least appears that way from comments he made tonight). She feels bad and tends to want to please so she goes along with Ed (not completely but more than she intended). . .and maybe, unfortunately, sees his pressure as interest in her. . .

I agree with your bolded sections all around. I feel that Kip and Reid both handled the situation with grace and as gentlemen...........Ed on the other hand seemed very pushy and his date seemed made up. There was no easy flow with it and it seemed fake.

[jewels2312]

I respect Jillian for turning down the invitations and not sleeping with any of the guys tonight and the reasons she all gave them. (the 3 guys, Wes not included, of course.)

Wes: Jillian was far too polite and restrained at the rose ceremony. I would have loved to see her humiliate him in front of the others, and really calling him out on his crude behaviour (not to mention kicking his butt into the limo, with the help of the 3 other guys). What concerns me is that she kept on saying that he is the type of guy that she is usually attracted to. Oh boy. They both used crude language when they were having their dinner conversation in Barcelona. Totally classless. Yuck.

Ed: He never looks at her when he talks and his eyes are always shifty and rolling around (that is a sign IMO that he is not being honest when he's talking to her). Plus he only appears to be going through the motions. So why did he come back? Was he paid or something in order to add some drama and some twists to the show???? I don't get Ed at all. Or his reasons for returning to the show. If they have a connection between them, I can't see it. I wish he hadn't come back at all.

Kiptin: The most honest IMO date of the show. He hasn't made up his mind about Jill yet. There is ''something'' there but he needs to get to know her better and spend more time with her--so no ILY's or proposal on the horizon here. Smart guy. Very realistic. I respect his candor and his truthfullness about his feelings for Jillian and expressing his need for more time to get to know her before making any type of commitment. Yeah that. If he is F1, then I'm thinking she is really into him and she agrees with his "we need more time together" scenario and accepts to keep dating him to see where it can eventually lead. I'd be cool with that sort of Bachelorette ending. It sure would beat a phony marriage proposal. We've had enough of those already. And if it didn't work out, well too bad, at least they gave it a realistic shot.

Reid: He's like a little boy around Jillian, happy and giddy,they have a good time together and a comfortableness with each other that's apparent even on camera. As of now, he is definitely the one most into her IMO. Excellent eye contact. I think, sadly, she is less into him than Kiptin. Too bad, I think that relationship would have had the most potential to last the longest had her feelings been mutual. However, I didn't foresee any wedding bells in their future. Still I think he would've made the best match for her out of the remaining guys.

IMO, ultimately no love match will come of this season. It was entertaining, although crude and vulgar at times. But that's it, that's as far as it goes. We are nearing the end of the season, and I find myself not especially caring who she chooses in the end. I'm not rooting for one particular guy the way I usually do. Actually, I was, until she sent him home-- I think she made a mistake letting Jake, and especially Jesse, go. And keeping Wes as long as she did, well, that says a lot about her. God only knows what she was thinking. She's either very naive or very stubborn, or both. Jake had his heart in the right place when he came back to warn her. Not that she listened. Anyway, thanks for wasting her's and all of our time Wes. Good luck in Mexico.

Now, maybe it's too soon for this, but I so want Jesse to become the next Bach. ABC, bring Jesse back!!

[bebe06]

I think ED goes home next week, comes back on finale day to propose and jillian instead of accepting reid's proposal asks him to give her time to process what just happened and thats when we hear the VO about reid saying jill looks confused.

[coastalbc]

So we have a cap of them in the hotel in Spain, but that wasn't shown? It looked like Jillian was getting a piggy back ride home and that was the end of the date, and Ed and Kiptyn were the only ones with hotel time. But I suppose that was Fleiss' point. Does that bode well for Reid or not?

IMO, that bodes very well for Reid. For Byron/Mary's season, I believe that she is the only one that didn't get a bedroom scene of the ones that went back to the hotels with Byron. I believe that has happened with other seasons as well.