Was there a reshoot?? - Page 2

casualfan · 07-08-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ASassyKat

If the pink trees were that far off in the distance, then they would not have been in focus in the shots with De and Jason, or with Jesse. They would have been blurred.

Clearly the pink flowers are right by them for them to be in focus with DeDe and Jason/Jesse.

So, for me it proves the opposite. Besides, Cape said there was a reshoot, I believe, and she was right about Jesse as F1.

Actually try it with your own camera, if you have a nice one both the foreground and the background can be in focus. I had a friend of mine conduct the test before I posted because that was something we had thought about as well.

I sent cape all of my caps this morning so I'm sure she'll also be able to chime in on her thoughts. As far as I know, she found out Jesse was F1 from sources at the taping of the ATFR. And I don't believe sources have come forward and said that there was a reshoot, so unless they do we'll just have to use the material that we were given via the video and caps of the FRC

I will add that watching the video in slow motion to me is actually the most telling, but we have to rely on caps of the video to tell the story here.

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babymay · 07-08-2008, 08:08 PM

I think it was just so windy, the Pink planters just kept blowing over and they kept having to move them.

CoolCruiser · 07-08-2008, 08:14 PM

Everything makes sense with what you said EXCEPT for this pic.

If you look at it closely, from the angle that the white anthurium flowers are shown, there should be a rose table on that pic.... there isn't

Look at this pic

The camera angle has moved slightly to the right and so that table should be even MORE obvious... it's not there.

If you look at the anthurium at the front you will see the same three blooms.

As well, the pink flower pic with Jesse has the scraggly tree behind the pink flowers whereas in reality is in front of them.

Then, with this pic, the table miraculaously reappears and the scraggly tree is between the pinks and the white magnolia flowers.... the anthurium with the three blooms is still in front. THIS is the PIC that appears to give the perspective correctly as via the wide shot, to support your theory

AND ONE MORE HUGE FACTOR,
Check the lighting on Jason's face on this shot. It is coming from the LEFT of the picture. It is very bright!

However, if it was shortly after the time he was seen walking in, it should have been coming from the RIGHT as the sun was setting from the right....
All the sunlight was coming from the right casting the shadows to the left of the pic. IN this pic with Jason and others with the pink flowers, it is reversed.

armywife · 07-08-2008, 08:15 PM

Thank you for your hard work and great analysis/breakdown CASUALFAN

I am so thrilled for Jesse and Dee

grneyedgirl · 07-08-2008, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASassyKat

If the pink trees were that far off in the distance, then they would not have been in focus in the shots with De and Jason, or with Jesse. They would have been blurred.

Clearly the pink flowers are right by them for them to be in focus with DeDe and Jason/Jesse.

So, for me it proves the opposite. Besides, Cape said there was a reshoot, I believe, and she was right about Jesse as F1.

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You know, we've been hearing all along that Jason is F1, but I'm starting to have some doubt creeping in.

In the previews, we see a very happy looking Jason and a very worried looking Jesse. We see a kiss on the lips with Jason and a kiss on the cheek with Jesse. I seem to remember a similar preview during B10. Bevin looked happy, Tessa looked worried. Bevin got a kiss on the lips, Tessa got a hug. We know how that turned out.

Secondly, the media net write up makes it sound like Jason won over her family but Jesse didn't. Most of the time when something is written up in medianet like that it is usually the opposite.

Lastly, the snippet of the conference call that we read on that other website coupled with the admission that Jeremy predicted Jesse as F1 at the MTA, just leads me to think that De picks Jesse.

The girlfriend angle may yet play itself out, but while there has been a small amount of foreshadowing through discussions on cheating, etc, IMO Jesse's edit has gotten consistently better as the weeks go on. Normally I would expect it to trend negatively. They evidently had material from the Outhouse that they could have used to give us a little bit of doubt of Jesse's true intentions, but they didn't use it.

Now, it is my opinion that there very well may have been some sort of reshoot at the FRC, and things just aren't adding up. Maybe Jesse is the F1 afterall?

ETA: In addition I thought De was much more into kissing on Jesse than she was with Jason. I know not many will agree, but that's what I saw.

Hi ASassyKat!

I think casualfan brought up Jesse being the F1 prior to the leaks from that ATFR taping (see above post). I think the leaks from the taping confirmed this for cape. I think that cape was one of the original posters who brought forward the picture that showed Jesse in the limo--which actually was Jason.

In her post, casualfan speaks of a reshoot--and she disproved it.

m445 · 07-08-2008, 08:23 PM

Thanks for starting this thread! Here is my issue: in the wide shot, you can see that between the two pink trees (and closer to the platform) there is some kind of scruffy tree - if you look in the shot where Deanna and Jesse are kissing, you can see both pink trees, but no scruffy tree! Also, I agree that they seem way too far from the podium to look so close in those shots. Any other thoughts out there?

m445 · 07-08-2008, 08:31 PM

I also want to add -- I find it incredibly unlikely that they reshot the FRC for the sake of a different outcome. I just can't see the guys ever going along with that, and I really do think Deanna chose Jesse. However, I don't think that rules out reshooting scenes, getting better angles, etc. - particularly with Jesse... and from what I understand (from other posts), I think this has been done in past seasons? There's just too much that has to be explained and rationalized for it to have been one continuous shot.

casualfan · 07-08-2008, 08:46 PM

I get what you guys are saying. This cap of DeAnna was when she was walking back from taking Jason to the limo and walking back up to the FRC stage. I should have included this in my original post, but you can see how the FRC set is set up. Pink flowered trees in the background, white tree on left back corner of the stage, podium in middle and of course the plant placements.

Compare that to this image of Jesse and DeAnna hugging at the greeting

Because the cap of Jesse and De hugging is taken at a closer take, and DeAnna and Jesse are further toward the left front of the stage the camera angle doesn't capture the green tree or the rose podium. They are standing within the triangle of planters. Does that make more sense?

CoolCruiser · 07-08-2008, 08:47 PM

Further to this.... since my editing time limit ran out with the other post,
IF you remember back to the 3/2 RC which was held at the house next door.... further to the left of your screen past where the two pink shrubs are standing.

The sun was coming directly from behind the three guys backs.

It should be the same here with Deanna, from behind her. NOT on Jason's face as it is shown.

ETA. OK Casual Fan, I see what you are saying about the triangle.

And the scraggly tree is directly to the left of the White magnolia plant.

And so we have this huge other green shrub(bery) to the far left....???

Those are some very WEIRD camera angles from trying to give a proper perspective point of view.

casualfan · 07-08-2008, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoolCruiser

Further to this.... since my editing time limit ran out with the other post,
IF you remember back to the 3/2 RC which was held at the house next door.... further to the left of your screen past where the two pink shrubs are standing.

The sun was coming directly from behind the three guys backs.

It should be the same here with Deanna, from behind her. NOT on Jason's face as it is shown.

I think that's artificial lighting. Otherwise the cap would have to be flipped and it's not. You can see the same light when DeAnna is walking back to the podium in the screencap posted above, as well as in the hugging shot with Jesse. You can actually tell the natural lighting is coming from behind her because the shadows of the planters which are going the correct way.

ETA: Thanks Cool Cruiser. I think it's a crazy example of depth perception. When you look at the cap of the "layout" where DeAnna is walking Jason out, the shrubbery is visible to the far left.

07-08-2008, 08:08 PM	#12
babymay the simple things Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,441	Re: Was there a reshoot?? I think it was just so windy, the Pink planters just kept blowing over and they kept having to move them. __________________ You've got to kiss a few frogs before you find your prince!

07-08-2008, 08:14 PM	#13
CoolCruiser FORT Fogey Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: On the high seas Posts: 1,128	Re: Was there a reshoot?? Everything makes sense with what you said EXCEPT for this pic. If you look at it closely, from the angle that the white anthurium flowers are shown, there should be a rose table on that pic.... there isn't Look at this pic The camera angle has moved slightly to the right and so that table should be even MORE obvious... it's not there. If you look at the anthurium at the front you will see the same three blooms. As well, the pink flower pic with Jesse has the scraggly tree behind the pink flowers whereas in reality is in front of them. Then, with this pic, the table miraculaously reappears and the scraggly tree is between the pinks and the white magnolia flowers.... the anthurium with the three blooms is still in front. THIS is the PIC that appears to give the perspective correctly as via the wide shot, to support your theory AND ONE MORE HUGE FACTOR, Check the lighting on Jason's face on this shot. It is coming from the LEFT of the picture. It is very bright! However, if it was shortly after the time he was seen walking in, it should have been coming from the RIGHT as the sun was setting from the right.... All the sunlight was coming from the right casting the shadows to the left of the pic. IN this pic with Jason and others with the pink flowers, it is reversed. __________________ You never get a second chance to make a first impression. Last edited by CoolCruiser; 07-08-2008 at 08:42 PM.

07-08-2008, 08:15 PM	#14
armywife FORT Fogey Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,381	Re: Was there a reshoot?? Thank you for your hard work and great analysis/breakdown CASUALFAN I am so thrilled for Jesse and Dee

07-08-2008, 08:23 PM	#16
m445 FORT Regular Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 70	Re: Was there a reshoot?? Thanks for starting this thread! Here is my issue: in the wide shot, you can see that between the two pink trees (and closer to the platform) there is some kind of scruffy tree - if you look in the shot where Deanna and Jesse are kissing, you can see both pink trees, but no scruffy tree! Also, I agree that they seem way too far from the podium to look so close in those shots. Any other thoughts out there?

07-08-2008, 08:31 PM	#17
m445 FORT Regular Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 70	Re: Was there a reshoot?? I also want to add -- I find it incredibly unlikely that they reshot the FRC for the sake of a different outcome. I just can't see the guys ever going along with that, and I really do think Deanna chose Jesse. However, I don't think that rules out reshooting scenes, getting better angles, etc. - particularly with Jesse... and from what I understand (from other posts), I think this has been done in past seasons? There's just too much that has to be explained and rationalized for it to have been one continuous shot.

07-08-2008, 08:46 PM	#18
casualfan FORT Fogey Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The land of sand and fog Posts: 1,931	Re: Was there a reshoot?? I get what you guys are saying. This cap of DeAnna was when she was walking back from taking Jason to the limo and walking back up to the FRC stage. I should have included this in my original post, but you can see how the FRC set is set up. Pink flowered trees in the background, white tree on left back corner of the stage, podium in middle and of course the plant placements. Compare that to this image of Jesse and DeAnna hugging at the greeting Because the cap of Jesse and De hugging is taken at a closer take, and DeAnna and Jesse are further toward the left front of the stage the camera angle doesn't capture the green tree or the rose podium. They are standing within the triangle of planters. Does that make more sense?

07-08-2008, 08:47 PM	#19
CoolCruiser FORT Fogey Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: On the high seas Posts: 1,128	Re: Was there a reshoot?? Further to this.... since my editing time limit ran out with the other post, IF you remember back to the 3/2 RC which was held at the house next door.... further to the left of your screen past where the two pink shrubs are standing. The sun was coming directly from behind the three guys backs. It should be the same here with Deanna, from behind her. NOT on Jason's face as it is shown. ETA. OK Casual Fan, I see what you are saying about the triangle. And the scraggly tree is directly to the left of the White magnolia plant. And so we have this huge other green shrub(bery) to the far left....??? Those are some very WEIRD camera angles from trying to give a proper perspective point of view. __________________ You never get a second chance to make a first impression. Last edited by CoolCruiser; 07-08-2008 at 08:52 PM.