Jason - Bachelorette 4

[sunny_peach]

Originally Posted by Capegal

I would agree with you - and hope someone at ABC would rethink spending - actually wasting - that amount of $$ on a wedding - donate it instead - tho not to benefit Jesse's program - but to kids and families that need it to survive - I think that extravagance is absolutely rediculous!! uuggh

I agree there are so many people out there who could benefit greatly from this amount of money. It is absurd to me that DeAnna would even think of requesting such an amount for her wedding, one that won't be as popular as Trista and Ryan. I thought the million they got for their wedding was ridiculous and could of been better spent.

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[n4692u]

Originally Posted by estygal4

Hmmm....still no link or real proof that Jason was "down there" that long...
the fan favorite has more to do with who the producers decide you should connect to...

Editing does wonders..

Adam was on a show called Average Joe...I have watched just about every dating show since they started many moons ago...I am now pretty "jaded" on them but still enjoy them...

Just the way soap opera fans "accept" the fact that characters can age overnight, get younger, or be replaced by a new actor I think reality fans have to "accept" that on dating shows the "fan favorite" might not be the one the "bach/ette" decides they want to love/live with/sleep with

Having favorites on "talent shows" is a different thing...we can "objectively" state our preference...but when it comes to matters of the heart I think it is hard to reconcile the "fan fav" with who they pick

Slanting and editing has so much to do with it : just imagine...IF the producers had used a phone call with Ty whining or crying "when are you coming home daddy, I miss you" and had replayed this a lot....IF they had shown the ex wife or the fancy super romantic wedding they had...people might have felt differently. They could have even portrayed Jason as "on the rebound" and too anxious to find a replacement...after all he was only divorced one year

I remember other shows where a "single parent" was berated for leaving their kiddo at home ....that was the editorial slant.

For those who keep watching these shows, like me, sometimes watching the editorial slant and the "predictable" reactions become interesting in and of themselves LOL.

You say there are a "lot of Jeremy and Graham fans" and I guess you are a Jason fan....however apparently DeAnna did not fall in love with any of them....so why be angry at her for that?? Seems to me that you can be a fan of them without hating on De and Jesse??

As for "snarking" on them....history repeats itself. That is why I have repeated the Adam story..

or look at Bob Guinney...much loved during Trista's season, he went on to be one of the most hated bachs of all time....DeAnna herself was "loved" and people wanted her as the Bachelorette

I do maintain that the producers set up these impossible situations and slant the editing, otherwise why not just stop filming after the first few weeks when the "one" decides who they like?? or stop filming during home visits if they decide then or whatever?

I think you mistake a "fan favorite" on a love show with a "fan fav" on a talent show. My guess is that Jeremy...or Jason....will be edited in a different way if they are the new bachelor...they may not pick the girl that the editors portray in the favorable way (who then becomes the fan fav). Again, from watching many seasons of this and similar shows, I will repeat the fact that the "most despised" ones are the "retreads/repeaters"

Google Jilter Bachelor Jason Mesnick for the interview in question.

On waht TV viewers may have missed:

"The whole (marriage) proposal. The show made it look like I got down on my knee and she brought me right back up. I talked to her for a while down there. It was a lot longer of a process. I felt disrespected (by DeAnna). That is something I would never do to anybody. I wish they showed more of that moment."


For those "doubting Thomas'" there is your proof that he did propose, if his outright confronting her at the ATFR was not enough proof for you. I'm from Texas, so "nuff" said.

[Crystal33]

I don't mean this bad, but I think it's stupid that they are friends. Doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, they had to tolerate each other when they were dating on the show. Now, why would Jason want to hang with them. Totally weird to me.

Originally Posted by marstokyo

Jesse said in a radio interview today that he and DeAnna made plans to meet Jason and Ty this weekend (or next week) on Mt. Hood. I think it's great they are friends.

[n4692u]

Originally Posted by casualfan

You can't post links to other reality sites, but you are welcome to post links to the conference call from media net. Is it on there? I don't remember reading the bit about the hugging, kissing and talking. Can you PM me with that interview if it's from another reality site? TIA!

You don't have to READ it, we all saw it on our TV screens in the previews at the end of the MTA show. They hugged AND KISSED. Frankly, that's when I thought for the first time that he wouldn't be chosen. That and he was coming down that walkway with a SMILE on his face. The one that's smiling is usually the one NOT chosen. Remember Jenni smiling? The only thing is, DeAnna didn't know that she should have been smiling as well.

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Originally Posted by n4692u

You don't have to READ it, we all saw it on our TV screens in the previews at the end of the MTA show. They hugged AND KISSED. Frankly, that's when I thought for the first time that he wouldn't be chosen. That and he was coming down that walkway with a SMILE on his face. The one that's smiling is usually the one NOT chosen. Remember Jenni smiling? The only thing is, DeAnna didn't know that she should have been smiling as well.

Good point I thought the same thing during the preview. What the heck was going on? Everyone knew she was picking Jason and the preview held true to Fleiss's formula about the F1 looking more uncertain than the F2.

[n4692u]

Originally Posted by StanleyCupCanes

If Jason is chosen, I don't think you'll see a horrible edit. ABC knows, to quote, their current President, Steve McPherson, "they need the right guy". They know their track record stinks and they are in desperate need for a win or this particular franchise will be retired. It's stock has fallen from a regular season performer to that of a "back-up/replacement" series for now.

This a guy that a majority of their audience is endeared to, and an audience that is still steaming about the last outcome. Add to that the Matt/Shayne fraud and I fail to see how crucifying Jason editing-wise would aid their cause at all. It sounds like if he gets selected, they are going to approach the show in a whole new way and it needs it.

It's interesting to me that since he didn't do anything to find fault with during the show, he's now being picked on because he's more popular than the happy couple. There's also the implication that it is somehow wrong that his story resonated with a lot of the viewing audience who would like to see him get a happy ending. How is that a bad thing? It's good for the show, right? Positive press and all that is a win for everyone.

ITA. It was the "single, loving dad" that the majority of viewers fell in love with because it made him REAL. Who can forget that scene of Jason's reunion with Ty on the HTD. Ty running toward Jason calling "Daddy". That was so heartwarming and just made your heart melt.

[n4692u]

Originally Posted by Capegal

I would agree with you - and hope someone at ABC would rethink spending - actually wasting - that amount of $$ on a wedding - donate it instead - tho not to benefit Jesse's program - but to kids and families that need it to survive - I think that extravagance is absolutely rediculous!! uuggh

I think MeAnna meant that SHE would get $3M because "ME deserves it". By the way, I haven't seen that many fans around these days. I would watch a wedding though because I am a hopeless romantic.

I was for Jason, but I can plainly see that she made the right choice for herself. I happen to like Jesse, even though he seemed insincere at times. The problem is, she led us to believe in the beginning that she was looking for a husband, not a playmate. Of course, many of us thought that she was more mature than she really was. That tantrum she threw at the ATFR with Brad should have given everyone a hint that she was a spoiled brat. Yea, she chose the right one to fit her maturity and temperament.

[estygal4]

Jason said "I wish they showed more of that moment." Which is why I used the word "moment'

Au contraire...I am NOT a huge DeAnna fan. I am a "fan" of NEW people on reality shows...I don't like retreads, repeats, rehashs and "all star editions" of any show.

My point here is to point out the manipulation by Fleiss and the way people fall for it

The idea that somehow he would decide to edit Jason's potential season "favorably" has NO merit and nothing to back it up at all....IF Fleiss was going to do that, why not edit De's season favorably??? Broken hearted De, rejected 2x by Brad....yet he did not..

That new interview with De and Jesse, where she clearly states that they had edited it to hide the romance between her and Jesse, and his statements too really prove my point.

This show wants to show a heartbroken loser as well as a love story....Jason seemed more preturbed than heart broken. IF you remember Matt and Meredith, I think HE was truly heartbroken...he refused to do more promo/appearences/interviews after the intital atfr show....he stated he was done with it, hurt, would never be the bachelor....I have read where he moved on and saw pics of him with his fiancee a year or so later....he refused the limelight

Jason on the other hand is NOT refusing the limelight...his choice...but let me state that I will be the first to snark on his season ....I can only imagine the stuff Fleiss will play with his tricks and illusions LOL

[thethreej's]

Originally Posted by estygal4

Jason said "I wish they showed more of that moment." Which is why I used the word "moment'

Au contraire...I am NOT a huge DeAnna fan. I am a "fan" of NEW people on reality shows...I don't like retreads, repeats, rehashs and "all star editions" of any show.

My point here is to point out the manipulation by Fleiss and the way people fall for it

The idea that somehow he would decide to edit Jason's potential season "favorably" has NO merit and nothing to back it up at all....IF Fleiss was going to do that, why not edit De's season favorably??? Broken hearted De, rejected 2x by Brad....yet he did not..

That new interview with De and Jesse, where she clearly states that they had edited it to hide the romance between her and Jesse, and his statements too really prove my point.

This show wants to show a heartbroken loser as well as a love story....Jason seemed more preturbed than heart broken. IF you remember Matt and Meredith, I think HE was truly heartbroken...he refused to do more promo/appearences/interviews after the intital atfr show....he stated he was done with it, hurt, would never be the bachelor....I have read where he moved on and saw pics of him with his fiancee a year or so later....he refused the limelight

Jason on the other hand is NOT refusing the limelight...his choice...but let me state that I will be the first to snark on his season ....I can only imagine the stuff Fleiss will play with his tricks and illusions LOL

Actually Matt received alot of modeling offers after his show. Also he and a few of the other guys auctioned themselves off after the show, and did a few other events. He also did the Ellen show and also the Sharon Osbourne show afterwards. How many talk shows has Jason been on? I hardly call being a judge at a festival and throwing out a first pitch, that wasn't even aired, seeking out the spotlight. I doubt he got paid for any of these events, and he is just trying to get back to his life and trying to have fun. You cant really fault the guy for that. What I saw was Jason in total shock in the limo. He looked very distraught to me, and even had tears. Everybody handles their emotions differently, doesn't mean he was hurting any less than the other. As for the snark, you might not get your oppurtunity. He has said he hasn't been contacted to even do the next bachelor. Matt's season was a very long time ago, but if I recall right, he was never officially asked to do the bachelor, so who knows if he would have taken that oppurtunity if asked.

[friend4life]

First time posting on a Jason thread. I am a Jeremy supporter and know the family so yes, I have a legitimate bias and I should not have to apologize for that. I haven't read all the posts here so if this type of question has been answered, I apologize for re-hashing. I think that Jeremy and Jason ARE wonderful Bachelors (the real life kind) and will make someone real happy one day. I know Jeremy could handle the rigors (?) of the actual show. The dating multiple girls at one time component in order to ultimately find the right one. He has that ability and analytical skill to breakdown each woman and make a good decision for eliminations. I did not see anything in Jason's edit that leads me to believe he has this characteristic. Its very similar to a 'player' mentality w/ a twist. Maybe Jason is or was but he seems like the hopeless romantic type now. Where he will fall for one and only one and would struggle with creating a 'story' for several other women on the show. And I think in real life that is ideal but does that work for a show? Does fabricating a relationship work for Jason and for Ty? I guess I see Jason having a more difficult time personally as well as with his son being involved - creating romances where they may not exist. The dude wants one girl for sure. Secondly, what are his hobbies? What will all his group dates and special outings be like? Will they all be about Ty? Will America like that week after week? Again, I obviously have a bias towards Jeremy and I mean absolutely no disrespect. The posters on Jeremy's thread can confirm that about me. I just see the Jason show being heavily focused on a child and on a father looking for one and who probably is good at picking out 'one'....but possibly not FOUR! I won't go into the Jeremy pros/cons since this thread is about Jason but if you want me too, go to his thread and I'd be happy too. It would just have to be a post that I actually read! If Jason doing the show is about money on the other hand, then ABC should just pay him for creating so much hype, regardless of whether or not he does the Bachelor! Ty deserves a big college fund!!! Blessings,