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| Re: Bachelorette 4 Media thread Here is the ABC transcript: DeAnna was turned away less than a year ago, as Brad Womack left her confused and broken-hearted. She bounced back and took the chance to find love again by becoming the Bachelorette this season. Finally we have learned that DeAnna is not only happy with the ending, but she is engaged and very much in love. The media were invited to join a conference call with her yesterday to discuss the show and the final outcome. Below is the full transcript of the conference call and some questions from me. Her tone and demeanor during the call was very pleasant, cheerful and almost giddy at times. It would seem from this reporters perspective that she is indeed getting her fairytale ending. Have you been in town since the show started airing (Atlanta area)? I've actually been traveling a good bit, I haven't been in Atlanta very much unfortunately. What have you been doing? Just a lot of publicity for the show - a lot. Has that been tiresome because you can't say who you picked? Is it almost driving you nuts that you can't say anything? You know what I actually love surprises, so for me it's kind of exciting for no one to know. Everybody's watching and all my friends are guessing and my family is guessing. I really, really enjoy the surprise at the end. Is there a pool out there with some of your friends? You would be surprised. I go to some of my friends houses and they have poster boards and they've copied all the guys pictures and they have them on the poster board and they're Xing them off as they leave. They're all making bets on who's going to win and who's the final one, and if there is one and everything else. How much time has passed since the taping of now? It's been about almost three months actually. Are you allowed to communicate and contact your chosen guy? Yeah, ABC is behind me 100% and they have been really, really good to me. I get to speak to him everyday whenever I want and we talk to each other a lot. So you just can't see each other in person then? Actually we do get to see each other quite a bit. Oh so you have to meet in private quarters then? Oh yeah, absolutely, nobody's allowed to see us. So you're not hanging out at restaurants or bars? No, we definitely have not been to dinner yet. Things have been fine since it has ended right? Things are perfect, things are absolutely perfect. So it's definitely not a Brad Womack moment here, you can promise that? Definitely not a Brad Womack here - I am happy and I am engaged. Can you wear your ring or are you just walking around with it or you not allowed to do that? I have my ring (laughs) What's it been like watching the episodes? It's so much fun watching the episodes air because if I wasn't in the room, I didn't see it happen. So the fun stuff that the guy's do - like the guys working out or sitting around the campfire talking to each other - I didn't get to see any of that. So it's fun for me and it's new for me as well to watch each episode because sometimes I don't know exactly how they feel so when I hear it in their personal interviews it makes it easier for me to understand what happened. Did it help you understand more what was going on with say Graham and Jeremy and clarify it a little bit? Some, it clarified things with everyone. It's nice to see how people truly feel if they couldn't open up to me or say things. Especially with Graham who would say that he cared about me, but he could never bring himself to tell me face to face how he felt. It just shows you that everything happens for a reason and things are meant to be just the way they're meant to be. So, with Jeremy you said it was that looked great on paper, but you just didn't connect, so it wasn't anything he did right? No, it wasn't anything that he did. When he told me that he was in love with me I knew that I didn't feel the same. It was tough for him to take it seems? Yeah, I'm sure it's hard for anyone when you tell someone that you're in love with them and they don't feel the same way, that's heart-breaking. I know what that feels like. Is there anything on the show that you regret at all? I am 100, 100% ok. I have no regrets. I am myself, good or bad, all the tears shed. I am myself 100% and I'm very proud to say that. Anything you did that was just embarrassing? (Laughs) My grammar sometimes. English was my best subject - I made straight A's all through high school and college and I can't believe my grammar was so bad sometimes (laughs) They do spend a lot of one-on-one time with you in front of camera right? There's a lot of time spent talking, but I think that anybody can say they talk so much their grammar is bad. Seems like Jason is the safer pick, while Jesse is the more adventurous - did you have a tough time deciding? Absolutely, I still have the piece of paper where I was doing my pros and cons because it was never an easy decision - it was always a very, very hard decision for me. It's fair to say they are two different people? Oh absolutely, they are two totally different people and I'm a different person when I'm with each one of them. I'm a different person when I'm with Jason and I'm a different person when I'm with Jesse. How much time did you have to make your final decision, after you were down to the two guys? It was a good week or so. They gave you plenty of time to make a decision, so you didn't feel like you were rushed in anyway? Absolutely, I had producers and ABC behind me the whole way. I was never rushed or pressured or anything. They weren't going to schedule the rose ceremony at a specific time, they waited until you were ready, it wasn't like there was a deadline for you to make a decision? Right, they just waited until I was ready. Well it doesn't sound like kept their production schedule weeks behind. Right, I could have looked at them and said could I have six more weeks (laughs) I don't think they would have liked that. At the Men Tell All special, what was it like seeing Jeremy again? It's never easy seeing anyone that you've broken up with. It's never easy - there's always going to be unanswered questions and things that people don't understand, especially if you're the one who got broken up with. And especially in this situation where there's cameras and other people around and it's on national television. You always second guess and wish you had done, you know, said something, or not said something, you know? And me being in Jeremy's position before, of course it was hard to see him at the Men Tell All, of course it was hard to know that I broke his heart and that he felt led on. I mean, that doesn't make anyone feel good. How did you feel about how Graham reacted to your questions in the special too? You know what, I wish Graham the best. He's a good person. I pray that someday he lets someone in because I do believe that he is a wonderful man and he has a lot to offer someone. It was good to see him again, we will be friends, we've talked and we will be friends and I am sure he will be in a wonderful and happy relationship. Is there anyone else you really keep in contact with? Any other Bachelors you've talked to? We don't really keep in contact yet, not until after the show is done filming, but I was able to say hello to all of the guys off-camera at the Men Tell All, and everybody is so supportive and happy for me, and they are all happy that it turned out very good. All of America's really happy for you, and I mean, so far, we're all waiting anxiously for Monday night. Ahh, that means a lot. That means a lot. You said that Jeremy snuck a kiss to you one night; what other behind the scenes stuff happened that you guys would be surprised about? You know especially with the guys living in the house, there's a lot of conversations that you didn't see. Actually, the very first week of filming, when the first three guys lived in the house, it was Jeremy, Richard, and Jesse. It was actually Jesse's birthday, and we threw him a little surprise birthday party and decorated and I woke the guys up that morning and made them pancakes for Jesse's birthday. But it didn't make television, so nobody got to see it, but it was actually really special. Did Graham's attitude on the Men Tell All special confirm your suspicions that it wouldn't have worked between you two? Yeah, you know, I definitely have no regrets. It simply solidifies the fact that Graham and I are not meant to be together. And if any viewers had any question about that, hopefully it made things clear for them as well. Graham is 'Graham', you know, and I am who I am. Yeah, we did butt heads, but we did have a lot of things that we clearly understood about each other as well. You know, everything happens for a reason. What is it about both Jason and Jesse that you are attracted to with them, just go through some of the qualities of both of them that you like a little bit. Well you have to know first and foremost, they are two totally different guys. With Jason, I never ever had to wonder if he was a good father, because he has Ty, and that's one of the best things in his life. And if you don't fall in love with that child, then there's something wrong with you. He's a wonderful, wonderful man, and has a beautiful outlook on life and love, especially considering some of the things that he has been through in his lifetime. He's very generous, very caring, and he would always listen to me. If anything was ever bothering me he would always say 'Are you okay?', or 'Do you want to talk about it?'. He was just always there for me and I know that I could depend on him. And then there's Jesse who is totally different from Jason, but still in a good way. Jesse is that crazy snowboarder, long-haired kid on night one that's wide-eyed when he got out of that limo because he's wearing that crazy jacket, but once you get passed everything crazy, he is actually a wonderful human being, he has a big heart, he is caring, he comes from a great family. He is that person who is always going to make you laugh, and he puts me first. Have you guys discussed any long-term plans yet? Like any planning for the wedding, or re-location or anything like that? We're definitely taking it day by day, you know, we just got engaged, we're just busy being in love and cannot wait to be able to just go out to dinner in public. Have you noticed the differences you being in this position rather than the last time you were in this position? Oh absolutely, this is a good surprise. With Brad, I kept it a secret, because I wanted to know if someone could figure out what in the world happened. I didn't want anyone to know the outcome of the show because I didn't understand. And I went through a break up by myself and I didn't understand it. Now this part, this is a happy ending, and it's a good surprise and I don't want everyone to know because I want everyone to watch it. When you see the final episode, it's so good. You're going to laugh, and you're going to cry, and it's just a beautiful episode, I think it's the best one by far. What was your initial reaction when you found out that Jason was a single father to a three year old? I am definitely glad that he waited so that we had time to talk about it. I mean, that's not like 'Hey, I have a dog'. I mean, that's your child, that's important to him, that's the most important thing he has in his life. I am glad he waited until it was just me and him so that we could talk in detail about what is important to him. You know what, I have a step mom, my mom passed away when I was young; it didn't bother me at all, my dad has re-married, I have step sisters, and it didn't bother me at all that Jason had a child. I want to be a mom some day. I want to have children of my own. You know no one plans when they're 12 years old, to marry someone who already has children, but you can't help who you fall for. But it didn't put you off to Jason any more because of that, you were never really scared of the prospect of 'I could become a wife and a mother' all in one step? No, not at all. I live with my life with change and I wanted to make sure that I was ready for that because it's bringing a child into that. You're not just dealing with someone else's heart, but now you're dealing with two people's hearts. So I wanted to make sure I was ready for that, but no it was never a determining factor. You always talk about Jesse and how he's different from the other guys; you know, when was it that you realized there was a romantic connection with Jesse, and you guys weren't just in the, quote-un-quote, friend zone? And were there any instances when you thought 'Geeze, I am going to get rid of Jesse tonight, because we don't have that connection'? There was really never ever that thought, because I would say it was probably at home town date when I really felt that romantic connection with him, because we were in the car ride home after snowboarding on the mountains, and there was no cameras around and we're sitting in the car on our way to meet his parents. I just sat there and remember thinking 'Wow, I cannot live with this person in my life'. And that was the first time I really felt that romantic connection with Jesse. They showed the preview and apparently there's a bit of a twist when the guys come home to meet your family, could you tell us a little bit about that. Actually it's really funny the guys get to meet my family and everyone knows that my family is the most important part of my life. Sometimes I think that they know me better than I know myself so I definitely wanted them to meet the final two guys and hopefully help me out with the final decision that I was going to have to make. I think the guys were more comfortable in that situation than I was, so it will definitely be very entertaining for everyone to watch. Did you know this was going to happen or was this a surprise to you? I knew it was going to happen, but you can't prepare yourself for something like that (laughs) How did the guys handle themselves, were they trying to puff out their chests to out-do each other? Oh no way, Jason and Jesse are friends. They've been friends through the entire show and they will be friends for life. They totally handled it like mature adults. Obviously it's awkward, we're in this 3-way love triangle. Both of these guys are falling for me and I'm falling for them. It's strange, I'm sitting in my house, in between both of them, just wait 'til you see, it's definitely, definitely entertaining and they both handled it really, really well. We also saw in the previews that both men get down on bended-knee for you, so how awful was it to know that someone was going to propose to you and you have to tell them no? It was never, never an easy thing for me to say goodbye to anyone. Even so, I think the final rose ceremony was harder than anything else in the whole world because how are you supposed to look at someone and tell them that you care about them so much, but you can't choose them because you care about the other guy more. That definitely doesn't make you feel good about yourself, I can promise you that. So how do you then go and get engaged to somebody when you still have feeling for somebody else? It's a tough question to answer right now. MODERATOR INTERRUPTS - Some of this stuff you will have to wait to see next week. Besides ABC and the producers are you and your fiancée the only people that know? Have you told your dad or anyone? No, no one knows and sometimes it's tough and sometimes it's tough for him because I'm sure he wants to scream to the world that he has a fiancée, but we deal with it - we take everyday at a time. We just know that the finale is going to be well worth the wait. *Who's decision was it to hold back on the announcement of you engagement, ABC's or yours? It was definitely a mutual decision, like I said before I am huge on surprises. I wanted everybody to watch the season from the beginning and I didn't want everyone to just tune in for the final episode. I wanted everyone to watch and see it unfold. *So you had some input into those decisions? Absolutely, I have some really, really good people behind me. ABC, the producers, the casting - everyone. Everyone wants this show to work out and everyone is more than happy with the way things have turned out. *So when is the wedding? (laughs) We're taking everyday at a time. We're just happy, we're newly engaged and we're just busy beginning in love. *Have you spoken Brad since the last show on his season? We did. We exchanged a few phone calls and we were both trying to find some closure somewhere in between there. He's doing very well, I wish him the best and I have not heard from his since. You know, everything happens for a reason and I'm sure he's ready to live down the Bachelor experience. Poor Brad, everybody's had to hear about him all season. *Did you go into the Men Tell All did go into that program with a different mindset and how was it going on that show having to face all the men you rejected? I don't know if it was a different mindset, but it's hard to face any guy that you've broken up with, let alone on national TV with a live audience...with people tearing you apart because they think you've made the wrong decision on whichever guy. I can only do what's best for me and I've tried my hardest to be as open and as brutally honest as possible because I don't ever want what any of those guys to leave and be confused as to why things didn't work out between us. So although, this may seem harsh, I think that all of the guys can say that they can understand where we didn't work out. I never wanted anyone to feel like I felt. *We heard you talking about wanting to be a mother throughout the season and we're wondering if you are going back to your career in real estate or if you want to focus on being a stay-at-home mother? I love my real estate career - it's one of the best decisions I've ever made. It's a good thing that the housing market is so slow right now that it enabled me to focus on my relationship and hopefully get to a normal life. If you do get married, would you actually have your wedding on television like Trista did? We haven't put a lot of thought into it, but we both know that we have a lot of fans behind us. There's a lot of people who have followed me since my season with Brad. I know that there's a lot of followers and supporters that would like to see that happy ending. I can't say that I've put a lot of thought into it, but I am not really opposed to letting those fans into that part of my life. A lot of people are talking about Jeremy being the next Bachelor, how would you feel about that? And why would he make a great Bachelor? Jeremy would make a great bachelor because he has everything to offer a woman. He is the perfect man, I mean you've heard me say it all season long. He is perfect, and I am scared to death of perfect. I have never had that in my life. Jeremy has everything to offer, he has a wonderful outlook on life and love, he comes from an amazing family, he has a great career ahead of him, he has a great dog (laughs) He's the total package. If he wanted to be the next Bachelor, I would totally support him, he could call me and ask me any question and I would try to guide him in the best direction. I wish him the best in love for the future, but I don't necessarily think that Jeremy is hurting for a date. Would you watch the show if he was the Bachelor? Oh, absolutely, I watch the show now. I mean, once you're on the show, you have to watch it, I mean, come on, I'm addicted to it now. I always think I have it figured out, but I don't. Do you think that the urgency of this process helped you make better decisions that you would in your normal life? I don't know about that because I'm myself 100%, whether these cameras are around or there is a television show or not. I tend to make good decisions. If it's not going to be a good decision than that means I'll regret it and I try to live my life with no regrets. So I try to definitely think everything through and weigh my pros and cons and make sure that I'm making the best decisions for myself. Specifically though, the situation with Graham, I think most women in everyday life would keep that going, but since you had a deadline you had to make those quick decisions, so can you comment on that aspect. I know with Graham he has made it perfectly clear that he opened up the best that he could and I appreciate that. But, that just shows you that Graham and I are not meant to be. I could not continue to beg him to open up to me and beg him to fall in love with me. You're right it's not a normal dating situation, we don't have our entire lives to see if he can spend forever with me, we only had six weeks. And if he couldn't do that it just simply wasn't meant to be because I had twenty-four other guys that were willing to do that. Do you have any dating tips or advice for people out there? I would tell anyone, even my closest friends, anyone, don't force it. It's either there or it's not. If it's not there don't force it. You waste too much of your life being unhappy or trying to make something be there that's not. I'd rather be alone and be happy than be with someone and miserable because I'm too scared of a change in life. Change is good and people should embrace it. If Brad were to come back to you and tell you that he were in love with you would that change things at all? (laughs) That would not change anything at all. It's been since December since we spoke, I wish him the best and that's where we leave it. Our lives went two totally different ways. I am a firm believer that everything happens for a reason and Brad did not choose me for a reason. People come in and out of your life for a reason and he led me to the person that I was meant to be with. Did you know from the beginning of the show that your fiancée was going to be the person you choose? Actually no, I went into night one and I thought for sure I'm going to know who my final two are and the final two that I had pegged as my final two, they are not there anymore. Who were the final two that you picked at the beginning? (Laughs) I'll keep that to myself I think. Where are you going to be living - LA or possibly moving to Colorado or Washington? We're talking about it, but I'm definitely going to keep my house in Atlanta. I love Atlanta, I grew up there and that's where I'm from. It just depends, we'll discuss that in more detail next week (laughs). Are you thinking about getting married sometime in the next year or two then? We're talking about that too. We're just taking it day by day. We just got engaged and we're just trying to be in love right now. We're just trying to get back to normal. Do you have any ideas of what you envision your wedding to be like? It's going to be big (laughs) I have a huge family and there is no way I can cut down my list. We've already thought about it and it's just ridiculous. It's going to be a big wedding and I'm kind of a traditional girl, I want lots of white. Do you have any thoughts about what you want your wedding dress to look like? I put a little thought into, but I'm not a real big girlie girl. I don't like a lot of detail or bedding or anything like that - I just want something simple. I want him to still look at me that day and know that he's marrying me and not some dolled-up girl in this big fru-fru dress. Do you think a woman could propose to a man? I totally think a woman could propose to a man, especially now-a-days. People are different and not everybody is as traditional as they used to be and I don't see anything wrong with a woman proposing to a man. On the Men Tell All, Jeremy was referred to as the American Psycho, did you ever notice anything weird about him? No, anyone put in that cramped situation living in the same room with cameras and everything else around, people are going to have differences. I for one can totally relate to that - people do that in real life without cameras and everything else around. People are going to argue and they're going to have disagreements and not everybody is going to get along. They call each other names, so what, they're all friends now, guess it wasn't that big of deal. Jeremy is not a psycho, he's a wonderful person, he just showed his desire for me different than the rest of the guys. Who was the hardest person to send home, which one did you feel the most sad about rejecting? I can tell you that the final rose ceremony was harder for me than any rose ceremony by far. I don't think that I expected how hard this entire process was going to be and that was very, very hard for me. Do you speak to the person that you did not choose? I'm sure that we'll be friends, but none of us speak while the show is airing because it's just easier that way. So you'll be friends with person, will he come to the wedding? I would hope so, sure why not? Who turned you off instantly, what was just a real turn off for you? I really didn't have any of those. I really, really, really went into it with an open mind. I wanted to make sure for myself that I was making the right decisions because I never wanted to second guess anything, I never wanted to have any regrets. I went into every situation took it all in and made sure that I got what I needed to know out of each guy. I needed to make sure if that heart-pounding feeling was there or the butterflies or whatever I needed to be there to further a relationship. I really went into everything with open eyes. Do you think Brad changed your outlook on men now, making you so sure and thorough in your decisions here? You learn something from every relationship and of course I learned something from Brad. I'm not the type of person to wear my heart on my sleeves and let somebody in right away, you just have to dig to get to my heart. I learned with Brad that it's ok, people fall in love all the time and everybody gets their heart broken. You get up, you get moving again and you love life because you're a lucky person to be alive. What was in Graham's note? It was just a really nice note. It was just Graham telling me his feelings for me and just expressing that he felt very lucky to have met me. He said I would always hold a special place in his heart and he was hoping that we'd always be friends. Can you remember another time earlier in your life when you had two guys fighting for your attention or affection? I don't think I ever had that because I was in a long-term relationship all through-out high school - I was in a five year relationship. I don't think I've been in a situation where I have two guys, let alone twenty-five fighting over me. Did any of your old boyfriends try to creep back into the picture? There were a couple of people that made phone calls and said I'm going to be on that show or don't do that show, take me back. Yeah, there's always a few of those that come back. People always realize what they had when it's gone, that's just life. How has the fan support been this time around? Great! I have 11 year old girls that come up to me. I have older women come up to me and everybody is so supportive and they say the nicest things - how they enjoy watching the show - how they adore how I put myself back out there again - how people look up to me. It means more than anything in the whole, you have no idea how special it is when people say those things to me. I had no idea that I had touched people's lives in so many different ways. Did you ever have any of your suitors tell you that they shared a similar stories about the Brad-type break-up? Yes, absolutely, especially after the show with Brad ended, I had a lot of people reach out to me through email and MySpace. A lot of people got in touch with me saying - hey I went through the same break-up or hey I'm going through that now, what's your advice. All I can tell people is that you can't help it, if he can't see the good in your that's his own fault. You get up and move on, you're going to fall in love again. That just means that person is leading you to the person you were meant to be with. What about the other guys in the house, did they ever tell you about any of their break-ups? Obviously Jason had explained to me about his divorce and Graham had told me about his previous relationships. That's obviously a normal conversation that we have because I want to know how far along these guys have been in relationships and love and if they are ready to really commit. So obviously, yeah I discussed that with pretty much every guy. There were several times that you got pretty upset at some things, were you surprised at how you reacted? Sometimes I wonder if I didn't expect too much out of them, but as soon as I start to think that I look back and I am like, well honestly, twenty-five guys came to date me. I shouldn't have had to fight in that process to make any of them fall for me. If it was meant to be, it would happen. I shouldn't have had to stand around and cry a thousand times to show them that it was hurting me that they ignored me in a room. Guys and girls are totally different, you know, when I was on the show when we were with Brad, if he walked into the room, we were googoogaga over him. And with the guys, they're so buddy-buddy, you go down to the house for a barbecue, and they don't care, they're going to play cornhole and whatever else whether you're there or not. You know, they're guys, they can't help it. TV FunSpot would like to thank ABC for allowing us to be part of the conference call and of course many thanks to DeAnna for speaking so candidly with us. Please feel free to post comments or you may email me at Erika@TVFunSpot.com For More Bachelorette 4 News visit: SirLinksalot: The Bachelorette Images are property of ABC |
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07-07-2008, 06:00 PM
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| Re: Bachelorette 4 Media thread o.k. thanks for this transcript. Interesting! She says "everything happens for a reason" like 68 times or something... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?!!! |
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07-07-2008, 06:03 PM
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| Re: Bachelorette 4 Media thread "Do you have any ideas of what you envision your wedding to be like? It's going to be big (laughs) I have a huge family and there is no way I can cut down my list. We've already thought about it and it's just ridiculous. It's going to be a big wedding and I'm kind of a traditional girl, I want lots of white." Was that a dead give awat or what???
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07-07-2008, 06:05 PM
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| Re: Bachelorette 4 Media thread Extra Tv show is just starting, and they teased that they have BAchelorette Deanna - "who is trying to leak the FRC?" and then a cut to Deanna saying she was pretty shocked )a scene of a knock on a white door) |
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07-07-2008, 06:09 PM
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| Re: Bachelorette 4 Media thread She said "He lets me unload on him" talking about Jason...hmm |
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07-07-2008, 06:10 PM
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| Re: Bachelorette 4 Media thread she talks about each of them - Jesse and Jeremy the surprise is... someone comes to the door, and she was pretty shocked about the surprise, but said it was a good surprise - just as it aired, a knock at the door and my dogs went crazy so I missed most of it - the interviewer said "you are engaged" and De says "Yes, I can say that now, I am engaged" and then "where is the ring?" giggle, y'all have to come back after tonight to see it... but no big reveals imho! |
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07-07-2008, 06:31 PM
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| Re: Bachelorette 4 Media thread When did she say this?
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07-07-2008, 06:44 PM
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