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    Re: Reality Steve discussion only **Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by GuardianAngel;3873959;
    If I can give another example, only because I was sooooooooo ticked off last season that it has virtually turned me off this season. As I posted in the spoiler thread, sleuthers spend an incredbile amount of time working on a season.

    If I'm focused on sleuthing out a particular date, I've spent hours, locating a location, and I'm almost close, and RS comes out and says, the date was at the Disney Park. That's it, I shut down my puter and its over. As a sleuther, I don't want to know what he knows, because he has sources, I want to find out myself. Also, there have been times when RS said something, which sent sleuthers all over the map, where in fact it wasn't true.

    If someone in the sleuthing thread mentions they have a source that said so and so went home, where in reality they got that info from RS, then that's their choice. They may have taken that name, and sleuthed it out further to get proof, before posting their findings.

    Sleuthing is also accompanied with proof of some sort, realiable source, family member, co worker etc. Last season I discovered a sister of a particular person. I can't tell you the excitment of actually finding a real person and chatting with them about a particular person that had some association with the show.

    I uncovered quite a few of the contestants, last season, all without RS, I don't read his blog, I don't go to his site, and I never read his RS thread last season.

    Its amazing, its fun, you develop a wonderful relationship with all the sleuthers, you learn so much from their abilities, and the best part is watching epi after epi all unfold. You see the locations that were sleuthed out right on your TV, you know exactly who is going home and who stays, week after week and you have a sense of accomplishment because you worked so hard with so many others and it was all done without someone handing it to you on a silver platter.

    There are seasoned sleuthers on this board who's skills are unmatched. I have learned so much from them, analyzing s/caps to editing to order out the limo.

    Its really not difficult, and don't get discouraged. Just don't mention RS. If you want to sleuth, you can do it without RS, is more fun that way anyway IMO.
    This paragraph describes in detail why sleuthing is so much fun. It is very rewarding personally and the thrill of working in unison with others who are so good at what they do. The people on this board and their skills and dedication are what make it so much fun. So far the new set up is working and we need to work together to keep the spoilers in the spoiler threads only. Please don't get the idea that I'm a great sleuther but last season I did have some contacts that gave me info and it was fun to share with others.
    I respect so much what others do and while I would like to join in I just don't have the time to make that happen. But please join in and help keep the spoilers here so sleuthers can have their fun in the sleuthing threads.
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    Re: Bachelorette 6 Ali Fedotowsky***Spoilers***

    GA -- I totally see what you are saying. But to me Steve is just one piece of the puzzle. What if I came on and said ... "Gee I spent hours trying to put facts together, keeping track of progress, looking at locations, beaches and hotels" and then you (as one of the greatest sleuthers) posted Yeah! I found it! they are at Disney Land and it is 5PM... does that mean that we should set up a sleuthers thread and a separate thread for the super-sleuthers?
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    Re: Bachelorette 6 Ali Fedotowsky***Spoilers***

    In all due repsect, isn't the end goal of sleuthing to spoil things? While I deeply respect the amount of effort and work it takes, it leads to spoilers. I now already know [mod edit] went home. The minute I see [mod edit] on the show, it will be, oh yeah the guy who goes home on the 9/6 cut. I've been spoiled! (Not that I mind). There are people on the sleuther thread stating facts due to inside info every day, just like RS does. How is any of that different? When the show actually starts I don't see how this false division will work. JMHO.
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    Re: Reality Steve discussion only **Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by GuardianAngel;3873959;
    (post shortened)......

    Its amazing, its fun, you develop a wonderful relationship with all the sleuthers, you learn so much from their abilities, and the best part is watching epi after epi all unfold. You see the locations that were sleuthed out right on your TV, you know exactly who is going home and who stays, week after week and you have a sense of accomplishment because you worked so hard with so many others and it was all done without someone handing it to you on a silver platter.

    There are seasoned sleuthers on this board who's skills are unmatched. I have learned so much from them, analyzing s/caps to editing to order out the limo.
    Quote Originally Posted by eowenc;3874009;
    This paragraph describes in detail why sleuthing is so much fun. It is very rewarding personally and the thrill of working in unison with others who are so good at what they do. The people on this board and their skills and dedication are what make it so much fun. So far the new set up is working and we need to work together to keep the spoilers in the spoiler threads only. Please don't get the idea that I'm a great sleuther but last season I did have some contacts that gave me info and it was fun to share with others.
    I respect so much what others do and while I would like to join in I just don't have the time to make that happen. But please join in and help keep the spoilers here so sleuthers can have their fun in the sleuthing threads.

    I totally agree with you both! It's like unwrappiing a Christmas gift early....some do it just to know what's in the box while others like to imagine, guess, ask questions and do a little investigation and build up the surprise before actually unwrapping the gift. You may or may not already "know" what the gift is but the anticipation, questioning and looking forward to how it all pans out is key to the satisfaction of the gift!

    We have a rule in my family. If one "finds" where a gift is before it is wrapped and under the tree or if there is peeking and cheating involved the gift gets given to a charity; all the guessing and speculating is fine and helps build up the anticipation as long as you don't spoil the surprise for everyone else!

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    Re: Bachelorette 6 Ali Fedotowsky***Spoilers***

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishGal;3874092;
    In all due repsect, isn't the end goal of sleuthing to spoil things? While I deeply respect the amount of effort and work it takes, it leads to spoilers.
    The reason we split the forums is that some people enjoy the process of sleuthing. Ideally, yes - it will lead to spoilers. But there is a lot of theories floating out there when the show gets going and it's not completely cut and dried. A spoiler from an inside source is black and white. Sleuthing is many shades of gray.


    I now already know [mod edit] went home. The minute I see [mod edit]on the show, it will be, oh yeah the guy who goes home on the 9/6 cut. I've been spoiled! (Not that I mind). There are people on the sleuther thread stating facts due to inside info every day, just like RS does. How is any of that different? When the show actually starts I don't see how this false division will work. JMHO.
    You are right - inside sources are spoilers and shouldn't be in the sleuthing threads. The staff doesn't follow the forum as closely as people posting there (we have lots of other activity going on right now for FORT, and this show isn't even airing) so any inside source posts should be reported so that we can move them. It's too late for the spoiler you mentioned, but going forward we will take action if you report the posts. I added it to the stickied note in the forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonbonlover;3874019;
    does that mean that we should set up a sleuthers thread and a separate thread for the super-sleuthers?
    No. If someone found out from production that they're going to be filming at Disneyland at 5:00 p.m. that's a spoiler. If someone saw a Disneyland sign next to a clock and a calendar and deduced they were there at a certain time and place in the past, that's sleuthing.
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    Re: Reality Steve discussion only **Spoilers**

    Quote Originally Posted by GuardianAngel;3873959;
    If I can give another example, only because I was sooooooooo ticked off last season that it has virtually turned me off this season. As I posted in the spoiler thread, sleuthers spend an incredbile amount of time working on a season.

    If I'm focused on sleuthing out a particular date, I've spent hours, locating a location, and I'm almost close, and RS comes out and says, the date was at the Disney Park. That's it, I shut down my puter and its over. As a sleuther, I don't want to know what he knows, because he has sources, I want to find out myself. Also, there have been times when RS said something, which sent sleuthers all over the map, where in fact it wasn't true.

    If someone in the sleuthing thread mentions they have a source that said so and so went home, where in reality they got that info from RS, then that's their choice. They may have taken that name, and sleuthed it out further to get proof, before posting their findings.

    Sleuthing is also accompanied with proof of some sort, realiable source, family member, co worker etc. Last season I discovered a sister of a particular person. I can't tell you the excitment of actually finding a real person and chatting with them about a particular person that had some association with the show.

    I uncovered quite a few of the contestants, last season, all without RS, I don't read his blog, I don't go to his site, and I never read his RS thread last season.
    Quote Originally Posted by GuardianAngel;3873959;

    Its amazing, its fun, you develop a wonderful relationship with all the sleuthers, you learn so much from their abilities, and the best part is watching epi after epi all unfold. You see the locations that were sleuthed out right on your TV, you know exactly who is going home and who stays, week after week and you have a sense of accomplishment because you worked so hard with so many others and it was all done without someone handing it to you on a silver platter.

    There are seasoned sleuthers on this board who's skills are unmatched. I have learned so much from them, analyzing s/caps to editing to order out the limo.

    Its really not difficult, and don't get discouraged. Just don't mention RS. If you want to sleuth, you can do it without RS, is more fun that way anyway IMO.


    This is not real clear to me, GA. It looked to me like perhaps the mod was saying that would be considered an inside source ( sounds like on the same par as Reality Steve?), and so therefore, that information could NOT go in the sleuthing thread. It would have to stay in the spoiler thread.

    This is rather difficult - sometimes distinguishing between sleuther and spoiler especially when you sleuthed hard to find out the tidbits of information as you did. It wasn't just given to you as it was just given to us wholesale by Reality Steve.
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    Re: Reality Steve discussion only **Spoilers**

    Speculation, along with connecting the dots to a POSSIBLE conclusion should belong in sleuthing; while factual evidence including family and friends stating a contestant is on the show or is home pruning the bushes leads to a KNOWN conclusion and is a spoiler.

    There are gray areas, of course, but once the show begins to air the differences between sleuthing locations and remaining contestants through screen caps and someone bringing facts of future activity to the board should make the dividing line clearer.
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    Re: Reality Steve discussion only **Spoilers**

    A good example of info from him vs. a friend would be this: (using last season)
    1. RS: My inside source told me Ali left at the F4 b/c she was about to get fired she does not return to the show at any point
    2. Sleuther: Someone who works with Ali said she returned to work on Nov. 15th.

    Sorry, but I think those when someone contacts FaceBook and befriends a c0-worker who then tells them that Ali returned to work on Nov. 15 is just as much of a spoiler as is RS. Too many times we have posters say "I have contacts who tell me XYZ" or "I can't reveal who, but it has been told to me by a very reliable source that ABC happens" ... Now because those posters have an established reputation for digging up the dirt, their info is unquestioned. To me that is no different than RS saying Ali returned to work on Nov 15. That ruins the digging and screencap review just as much as RS.

    I think we all agree that there is a difference between sleuthing and spoiling... it is just a question of where you draw the line.
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    Re: Spoiler or Sleuthing?

    As I said in another thread, it's not up for debate.

    Please use what a staff member says for your guideline.

    We are going strictly on the result. If you post something that reveals when a contestant is booted, or who is making it to the end, that is a spoiler.

    A good example of info from him vs. a friend would be this: (using last season)
    1. RS: My inside source told me Ali left at the F4 b/c she was about to get fired she does not return to the show at any point
    2. Sleuther: Someone who works with Ali said she returned to work on Nov. 15th.
    To be clear, you are incorrect. These are both spoilers. They are both inside sources.
    Last edited by hepcat; 04-11-2010 at 01:16 PM.
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    Re: Spoiler or Sleuthing?

    Please stop this endless bickering. We have posted more than once that the subject is not up for debate and you need to take your direction from one of the staff members. Endless discussion is making the issue way more confusing than it needs to be.

    If you have a problem with knowing the outcome before it airs, please stay out of both the Spoiler and Sleuthing forums. It is not helping that people are complaining about being spoiled in general when the whole idea of both of these forums is to find out what happens before it's aired. If you're in these subforums, it's assumed you don't mind knowing something ahead of time. Yes, sleuthing will also spoil you - we get that. It would be a lot more confusing if we had a Sleuthing/Spoiler forum and a Spoiler forum, wouldn't it? But they are both essentially spoiler forums.

    If someone tells you the answer, that's a spoiler. If you figured it out for yourself, that's sleuthing. That's why we can't say "all tweets are spoilers" because many times they don't say anything. Twitter isn't the problem, we need you to use your critical thinking skills to decide whether it actually shares information or is just a hint.
    • "I'm going to be so sad to watch me get the boot tonight" - spoiler
    • "I'm going to be so sad to watch tonight" - hint, i.e., discuss it in the sleuthing forum
    Both forums essentially are aiming for the same thing - spoiling the ending. We only separated the two because 1) members requested it, and 2) the Bachelor/ette forums were a lot more fun when people were cooperating, speculating, and discussing instead of turning to personal attacks because a spoiled ending means there is nothing to discuss.

    Please do not make us regret the decision to accommodate the sleuthers. Do not discuss what sleuthing or spoiling means to you personally, check the Spoiler or Sleuthing? thread and if your question is not answered, PM a staff member.

    Also, try to remember that once the show starts it will be easier to distinguish the line. Right now there is not much to discuss and that leads to overanalyzing where it's not necessary.

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