Bachelorette 5**** Spoilers, episode 8 with screencaps

[sclilred1]

Originally Posted by Nova14

I agree. I think all have a legit shot and there has been good and bad about all. Will she go for the bad boy? Will she take a chance on the guy who has always been heartbreaker not heartbroken? Will she go with the quirky guy most like her? Will she go with the quiet conservative who left and comes back? I like they we don't know. It's much more fun to watch and speculate.

It is definately making this puzzle harder to figure out. There are things that could be viewed as a negative with all of the guys. None are getting a great edit. Jillian herself is not getting a great edit. This season is reminding me of Brad's in that sense.

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[SDMOM]

Originally Posted by sclilred1

With all three of the F3 guys having some kind of doubt in their storyline I think that the viewers will be led to believe that "true love" was worth all of the bumps in the road no matter who she picks. I don't see where one guy over the others would have more of an "edge" (I guess you could call it) as far as the doubts go.

I agree that all F3 have "doubt" in their storyline; however, from a strict EDIT point of view, and I am not bashing any of them, I haven't seen the answers to Reid's doubts.
Ed's doubt: he's workaholic. His return, no matter how scripted we see it is, at least provides some sort of answer that he values Jillian more than his job.
Kip: he has so many doubts, I don't even know where to start!! However, I do feel he answered why he's never been heartbroken before (not because he's unable to love, but he tends to be the pursued), he's opening up more in the last few episodes, and his mom has said their family if far from perfection.
Reid: I don't need to list his "doubts", but I feel that he has not really given her answers when being questioned, instead he usually makes jokes. It seems that his doubts are emerging in the last couple of episodes, but it also could be his story is slowly unfolding.

I really hope we'll see some serious conversations and interactions on Monday, and not focusing on the WES drama!

[plumblossom]

Originally Posted by stickle

I think the people who claim Ed doesn't look Jillian in the eye are choosing to see what they want to see because there's plenty of video of him looking at her intensely. I also think that's very normal that we see what we want to see based on our own life experiences and emotions. I know for myself that if I'm having a deep and heavy conversation with someone that I care very much about, I'll often look to the side because if I look at their face I will quite likely tear up from emotion. I cry easily and it's a coping mechanism for me to keep from getting too emotional. But that's just me.

I totally agree with you! I also have a hard time looking people in the eye, especially if the emotions are running high.

[annabanana2]

I'm not sure why there is still so much debate around the whole Ed leaving/coming back. Scripted or not, what man, in his right mind, would jeopardize his job in any way for a woman on a reality dating show? He and the other men have only known her a very short time, this isn't "real" life, it's entertainment. Same with the gf issue with Ed and Wes. Are people expected to be celibate for months before signing up for this? That is totally unrealistic. And keeping it a secret? More hogwash, they are on national TV for heaven's sake...not a good place to actually hide something. This is all part of the storyboard imo and I'm as entertained by the general reaction to it as I am by the show itself.

[angelic_one2002]

Originally Posted by Starshine_16

I don't call leaving for work and then coming back as trying to persue her.If he really wanted to persue her,leaving and then coming back was not the way to do it.IMO Reid is also persuing her and to a slightly lesser extent Kip is too.

I dont consider needing to go back to a job... just "leaving and not sticking it out". Big difference there. If you're needed at work, you go. He came back for Jillian. To me, that shows dedication....not only to his job, but to her for wanting to even come back for her.

[joliepaige]

Originally Posted by Nova14

I've always thought Ed and show both knew he'd leave and when. He knew he had to be back for something work related and plans were made that Ed left at that time with the option to come back if Ed was interested and then it would be up to Jill to decide. I don't think Jill was shocked to see Ed back. I don't think she knew he would be leaving but I do think she knew he'd return. Even if you don't sleuth when he kept the rose that was a huge hint. lol

I think Jillian could still pick him because she knows that he didn't really leave because he wanted to, but because it was all part of the storyline. Keeping the rose was such a big hint. It's hard to see it any other way.

[joliepaige]

Originally Posted by Jojo47

I can't remember specifically when in the HTD episode she said this, but she said that she was just about ready to pack the whole thing in (paraphrase). She may have had limited knowledge about situations, but they did need to capture her true emotions. She admits she is a terrible actor - and we saw that with the Ed return scene. You know, the season may have been described by TPTB as a disaster, but they have written a pretty good script that casts reasonable doubt on each of the F3. They each clearly have something to overcome.

She was def upset over the Jake/Wes mess. She did say something about quitting. I don't blame her..this has been an awful season for the star..but TPTB probably think it has been awesome!

[sclilred1]

Originally Posted by joliepaige

She was def upset over the Jake/Wes mess. She did say something about quitting. I don't blame her..this has been an awful season for the star..but TPTB probably think it has been awesome!

Of course they (TPTB) think this has been awesome. The question that is asked every episode "Who will win the Bachelorette's heart?" or however it is really worded should be changed to "Who has the producers decided to throw under the bus this time?".

[Silver18]

Originally Posted by angelic_one2002

I dont consider needing to go back to a job... just "leaving and not sticking it out". Big difference there. If you're needed at work, you go. He came back for Jillian. To me, that shows dedication....not only to his job, but to her for wanting to even come back for her.

Agreed - I dont see this as Ed abandoning Jill, not sticking it out, not being there for her etc etc. This was a guy who left a reality TV show while 9 guys continued to pursue Jill . Presumably he left the show for work reasons (albeit this is apparently in some doubt).

If his departure was scripted, then all Ed did was his reality tv job.
If his departure was genuine then Ed chose his work or personal circumstances over his 1:10 chance at having a romantic relationship with Jill. If this scenario was real, than Ed made a logical choice IMO- albeit one that impacted both.
If his return was scripted, then Ed has honored his reality tv job/contract.
If his return was genuine, then Ed is taking a chance that TB would allow it and Jill would agree to it. He is taking a risk that he still has a chance, given he has lost some time.

If this is all scripted, the question is - scripted to create drama and hurt Jill? Scripted because TPTB felt the relationship might be too strong and a give away to the F1. Scripted because they needed a back-up bad boy? Scripted to play up on the workaholic theme (Jill and Ed are both self-proclaimed workaholics I beleive.) Scripted to create a real love story - (promise me the next girl you fall for you wont let work get in your way? Jill -I have fallen for you and work willnot get in my way)

Anyway - this has all made for very interesting conversation and a bit of intrigue. The fact is we know so little of what really goes on, its hard to accurately analyse on who has a better sense of humour and who has a better connection, and who is the most compatible, and whose family may be the best fit etc etc.

It is fun to comment on what we do see - limited as it may be - and extrapolate from there - how accurate we are - time will tell!

[nanajj]

Do we have a double standard here. If just dating, then the woman comes first, yet if my husband did not put his families best interest at heart first we would not still be married 42 years later. He has always made keeping a roof over our head and food on the table and bills paid as rule 1. Strong love is there! however that wonderful love does not pay the bills, it is his strong love that takes him to that job to keep us safe and secure. The whole Ed leaving has been beaten into the ground. Being chased is part of the love game to many folks. Jill should see that he loves her enough to chase around to world to be with her. She has all ready let one guy go because he did not have a job and the break dancer was not going to provid much to their future. Ed will be able to take her to adventurious places, show her a good life as will Kip and Reid. She did take that all into mind when giving roses.