Bachelorette 5**** Spoilers, episode 8 with screencaps

[ZG_Champion]

Originally Posted by chopstickchick

yes, because they're usually overnights. When I was building timelines here many veterans pointed out to me that I should always factor in a day off between FDs.

Ok, I'm a bit confused. I thought FD was fantasy date and LCD was "last chance date" or the final date.

Posters have said the LCD's are not overnight dates. And, as I'm thinking back to Jesse, Jason and Deanna, she visited them in their suites on the LCD's, they gave her gifts, and then she left their rooms.

Same thing with Jason visiting Molly and Melissa I think.

So when you say FD, are you talking about their dates on Maui (which I kind of see like a second fantasy date after Spain) or their last chance date?

I don't want to use the wrong terminology and am happy to be corrected.

(Added: Whoops, I thought this was the Episode 9 thread. You are talking about Spain. So sorry, but can you still tell me what the proper initials are for the last few dates?)

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[I'msotired]

Originally Posted by ZG_Champion

Ok, I'm a bit confused. I thought FD was fantasy date and LCD was "last chance date" or the final date.

Posters have said the LCD's are not overnight dates. And, as I'm thinking back to Jesse, Jason and Deanna, she visited them in their suites on the LCD's, they gave her gifts, and then she left their rooms.

Same thing with Jason visiting Molly and Melissa I think.

So when you say FD, are you talking about their dates on Maui (which I kind of see like a second fantasy date after Spain) or their last chance date?

I don't want to use the wrong terminology and am happy to be corrected.

(Added: Whoops, I thought this was the Episode 9 thread. You are talking about Spain. So sorry, but can you still tell me what the proper initials are for the last few dates?)

Not sure they're "proper," ZG, but when we were doing the early sleuthing we called Spain ED (Exotic Dates) and FFD (Fake Fantasy Dates). This was a new one, so we didn't know exactly WHAT to call Spain. Prior to this season, Fantasy Dates WERE the exotic dates...

ETA: the other initials remained the same:

LCD Last Chance Date
MTF or MTP Meet the Family/Parents
FRC Final Rose Ceremony
AFRC After the FRC
MTA Men Tell All

[ZG_Champion]

Originally Posted by I'msotired

Not sure they're "proper," ZG, but when we were doing the early sleuthing we called Spain ED (Exotic Dates) and FFD (Fake Fantasy Dates). This was a new one, so we didn't know exactly WHAT to call Spain. Prior to this season, Fantasy Dates WERE the exotic dates...

ETA: the other initials remained the same:

LCD Last Chance Date
MTF or MTP Meet the Family/Parents
FRC Final Rose Ceremony
AFRC After the FRC
MTA Men Tell All

Thanks, much! Do you think Spain a fake overnight date, just time spent in the fantasy suite, and Hawaii are the overnight dates? Is there an "OD" category? Seems like getting the fantasy suite card doesn't mean an overnight date anymore.

[I'msotired]

Originally Posted by ZG_Champion

Thanks, much! Do you think Spain a fake overnight date, just time spent in the fantasy suite, and Hawaii are the overnight dates? Is there an "OD" category? Seems like getting the fantasy suite card doesn't mean an overnight date anymore.

I don't know about that one. I'm curious to see if they're actual "overnights" (which many former bach/ettes have said did NOT involve sex) or if they just spend some time in the suite.

[cheekychook]

Originally Posted by ZG_Champion

Thanks, much! Do you think Spain a fake overnight date, just time spent in the fantasy suite, and Hawaii are the overnight dates? Is there an "OD" category? Seems like getting the fantasy suite card doesn't mean an overnight date anymore.

I thought it was specified somewhere that she has overnight dates in Spain. One would assume they are not going to give up the overnight portions of the Hawaii dates, so that would mean an extra set of overnight dates, right?

[anders332]

Originally Posted by cheekychook

I thought it was specified somewhere that she has overnight dates in Spain. One would assume they are not going to give up the overnight portions of the Hawaii dates, so that would mean an extra set of overnight dates, right?

she has the option in Spain to make any of her dates overnights, whereas in HI they are automatically overnights, unless one of them decides not to (like Cherese turned down Byron and Trista decided not to invite Russ)

[enyl76]

If its true that Wes does not make it to Spain, then why do we hear him talking about the fantasy suit. Aren't the Fantasy suit dates going to be happening in Hawaii?

[ironcat]

Originally Posted by cheekychook

I thought it was specified somewhere that she has overnight dates in Spain. One would assume they are not going to give up the overnight portions of the Hawaii dates, so that would mean an extra set of overnight dates, right?

I wonder how they are going to work it with the cheesy invites from CH this time. If they use them in Spain, what will they do in Maui? Not that anyone is really surprised anymore, but repeating the exercise would be beyond ridiculous.

[sanlee]

Originally Posted by enyl76

If its true that Wes does not make it to Spain, then why do we hear him talking about the fantasy suit. Aren't the Fantasy suit dates going to be happening in Hawaii?

Wes does make it to Spain. I think we hear him talking about going to the Fantasy Suite in Spain. Jillian decides whether she wants to spend the night with each guy and most likely Wes is just hoping that he gets invited.

[ironcat]

Originally Posted by Longhornfan

I read somewhere that Wes has a tattoo on his arm (?) that shows the date that his dad died.

I have no doubt that his family loves him and that he has been surrounded by females his entire life since he appears to be the only male sibling. And Wes is definitely a charmer - adored by his sisters.

Many posters here are labeling his family as a bunch of liars, which is being very unfair. None of us know what was said to Jillian at the HTD, and none of us know his family personally. It is one thing to bash Wes. But, I just wish people would lay off the nasty comments about his family. Just my opinion.

I hope you didn't think I was bashing his family, just commenting on an interesting family dynamic that for me, shed some light on who Wes is, and how he has learned to deal with women. I do agree that he is a charmer; he certainly has charmed Jillian. And I hold to my assessment that as the only male in the family, he is adored by all and has learned how to wrap them around his little finger.

I also wouldn't take his family's assessment of him as gospel; obviously they see things through Wes-colored glasses, as does every family. Doesn't make them liars; they believe it.