Thread: Edit Analysis

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    Re: Edit Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by lovemygirls;3606241;
    Posting this here because it will get totally lost in the Thoughts and Comments thread...it does involve edit. I had an earlier post all written up about the actual editing clues but the site crashed and I forgot to copy it before I lost it. If I have time later tonight I will post it. I am thinking there might be a leak tomorrow so I wanted to get my thoughts out before that happens in case I am wrong or right.

    Possible scenario: (EXTREMELY LONG AND RAMBLY - BEWARE and REID it if you like REID, if not then PASS )

    I won't go over everything she said in her first interviews, I think most of us recall her mixed up statements as to how she came to her "decision", all decision(s) have been made...now she has an interview today where she says that she was falling in love with 3 guys but only "loved" one. The day of the F3 RC she is struggling with picking between 3 men she is falling for. At this point she is using her heart and her head...can she take a chance on Reid who won't admit his true feelings for her, does she go through the embarassment of bringing him to the F2 and him not reciprocating feelings, not proposing some sort of a future together, how will they work this out? She is confused (Reid's words). Reid's words don't match up to his actions (being loving) so ultimately she decides to let him go. Even on the bench she seems to want him to say something, anything that will make her decision make sense but he leaves it open-ended. Reid leaves. He gets in that limo and immediately knows he f***ed up (Reid's words). I don't think he thought she would let him go because he "showed" her how he felt but he never "said" it. The Bachelorette's "job" is to get the guy to admit his feelings for her. She failed. Reid failed. Big failure all around. His fears got in the way of the moment...hers led to letting him go.

    Now she has to put on a brave face and continue on with 2 guys she is "falling in love" with. We all saw her try to put her brave face on at the toast after she let Reid go. She carries with 2 great guys that are showing her how they feel and are opening up to her. They are in it to win it now...but is she?

    This is what I think may have happened...Jillian goes on her LCD dates, the guys show her lots of love and affection, they open up to her, she sees their interactions with her parents, she has the conversation with her dad about an engagement, love and marriage. During this process I think that it dawned on Jillian that she wasn't in love with either of her F2. (hence the disaster comment prior to Hawaii, TPTB couldn't get a handle on Jillian's feelings; either she was vague and stubborn with them or went against what they wanted, they didn't understand this, they didn't see a real love story because her cards were close to the vest so to speak and she wasn't co-operating by giving them a clear cut F1, F2, F3, F4) So basically the LCD's worked against Ed and Kiptyn instead of working for them...they got closer, went through the motions, had intimate moments but she realizes she wasn't in love with them and she wasn't going to accept a proposal from someone she wasn't truly in love with (convo with Dad, her own convictions based on interviews). So now what does she do?

    Paraphrasing - I knew awhile before others (in the same situation before her) have what I needed to do (not who I needed to pick).

    Meanwhile she is thinking about Reid and what she did, who knows maybe subconciously she "sabotaged" the LCD's...and she realizes she f***ed things up. Now this is the tricky part...whether she asked about him, she knew this was possible, she helped it happen or she was surprised by it, he does come back...and he will get the girl. I fully expect Jillian to reject both F2's or one will propose and she will reject him.

    The way I can reconcile TPTB saying it wasn't a love story is because she didn't get an engagement out of this, she rejects both her F2...in their minds they are heading straight for another Brad ending so they **wink, wink** give Reid the heads up that maybe all is not lost after all...maybe he was their salvation for a season that was headed for disaster. So it's not a traditional love story but it's a "I love you but want to make sure this works in the real world story"...not exactly mind blowing stuff but enough to make a great story out of...edited perfectly that is...edited right up until the last minute. F3 becomes F1...never been done before.

    TPTB are hiding it big time but letting out little leaks here and there until the full court press probably this weekend. If he was another Jeremy they would be all over it like white on rice. The interviews have now turned to asking about Reid...right after the sneak peek tease on Monday. It is a 3 man horse race now. She avoids the Reid answers or gets flustered answering them though and it isn't because she is being cold...she is bursting at the seams to let out her "happy" news.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
    Sound very plausible. I go back to the dinner date in Spain when she asks him to answer why he thinks they will make a good team together. He gives her his list and she replies that she feels the same way and hence she was smiling and not rolling her eyes as Reid said she was.. Jillian said she agreed and felt the same way about him.

    During FS time he says he has strong feelings for her, likes her a lot and he could see himself saying the "L"word sometime in the future. It was the best she was going to get. He tells her in his video message that he knows how he feels but is scared of how strong they are.

    The way I see it, she said she put her wall. SHe got scared and sent him away. They were both scared. But they both regretted it before he even left. She was confused when his voice cracked as he said "Hope you made the right move" and wasn't sure how completely sure she was supposed to be. When they are apart they both realize that they should have handled it differently. Maybe the two days with her family gave her some clairty. She most definitely would have talked to them about Reid as well as she had just sent him away. So it makes sense she knew a few days earlier (before MTP and LCD) it was Reid she was "in love" with and not the other guys.

    Remember Lisamill was pretty sure Reid went back to LA before he came back to the BI. Maybe she had a change of heart and so did he and hence his return to HI. Did Jillian know Reid was coming back? Or did he ask PTB for a chance to see her and came there on his own? We don't know that yet. So when he does show up, her reaction to his visit should tell her more.

    I keep going back to the only other time this show ever made reference to marriage symbolism in some form was Trista/Ryan when they spot married couples on the grounds during their alone time at a group date. We have match made in heaven, pastor/pilot talk of marriage, her reference to seeing Reid standing at altar while she walks down the aisle. Has she ever make such references about the other two men?

    The two spurned bach at ATFRC could be Kip and Ed who were both taken to FRC and they want to know why when she was already in love with Reid. Question is did she realize it before or after she let Reid go? We'll know today if someone from ATFRC comes back with an answer. Either my theory is right with the rest of you or I should start writing my own romantic fiction book pronto.. Right now, in the storyline all roads lead to Reid in my book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanna;3606260;
    lovemygirls, this is all very plausible and I enjoyed reading it, or shall I say reiding it! However, I feel like TPTB had to have a bigger hand in all of this if Reid really does become F1 after being F3. It is just too perfect, don't you think? For her to let him go and then have him come back and give TPTB a storyline that's never been done before just naturally? That's not a disaster at all! That's good drama that just fell into their laps. If Reid is F1, I think they always planned to have the primary let him go at F3, no matter who he was or how they had to convince her, and then bring him back in a dramatic fashion and see what happens. No way was this all natural and due to Jill imo.

    You also bring up an interesting point that if this was Jeremy redux, they would be hyping it very differently. It's the only thing that is giving me hope right now that it's Reid afterall and Jill isn't as ridiculous and plain dumb as she seems to me right now. They're hyping Reid like crazy if you think about it without giving anything away or showing his face for more than 5 seconds. I do think he upsets the finale in a major, major way even if he's not the one and may even delay her decision till ATFR.

    Another point you bring up that I really like is that if he is F1, Jill almost definitely has to reject the other two before he comes back so it doesn't look like sloppy seconds for any of them. She has to make the conscious choice that she made a mistake, that she only wanted Reid, reject the others, and there he comes on his white steed to rescue his princess.

    The thing is, these situations aren't that dramatic and painful enough for all involved so if Reid is really F1, it's going to be a lot more pain and drama than we can come up with now. We need to be true sadists like Fleissy-poo to know what's going on in his deranged mind.
    You are with Jillian there it seems. She feels happiness, it don't come easy along with love. How sad that she paints it that way in her mind. Maybe she sees it as if it's painful at some point it's going to be worth it in the end.

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    Re: Edit Analysis

    The show wants frank reactions from the Bachelor/Bachelorette. So, Jillian didn't know of Reid's return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atem;3606680;
    The show wants frank reactions from the Bachelor/Bachelorette. So, Jillian didn't know of Reid's return.
    I don't *think* I said in my theory that she knew he was returning, only that some people might *think* she knew already. (scripted)
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    I am also believing that when we see /hear Jillian talk about Ed leaving and returning,,that you don't know what you have till its gone thought,,that this now relates to Reid even more !

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    Quote Originally Posted by livin life;3606729;
    I am also believing that when we see /hear Jillian talk about Ed leaving and returning,,that you don't know what you have till its gone thought,,that this now relates to Reid even more !
    Ditto!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seeker;3606582;
    Sound very plausible. I go back to the dinner date in Spain when she asks him to answer why he thinks they will make a good team together. He gives her his list and she replies that she feels the same way and hence she was smiling and not rolling her eyes as Reid said she was.. Jillian said she agreed and felt the same way about him.

    During FS time he says he has strong feelings for her, likes her a lot and he could see himself saying the "L"word sometime in the future. It was the best she was going to get. He tells her in his video message that he knows how he feels but is scared of how strong they are.

    The way I see it, she said she put her wall. SHe got scared and sent him away. They were both scared. But they both regretted it before he even left. She was confused when his voice cracked as he said "Hope you made the right move" and wasn't sure how completely sure she was supposed to be. When they are apart they both realize that they should have handled it differently. Maybe the two days with her family gave her some clairty. She most definitely would have talked to them about Reid as well as she had just sent him away. So it makes sense she knew a few days earlier (before MTP and LCD) it was Reid she was "in love" with and not the other guys.

    Remember Lisamill was pretty sure Reid went back to LA before he came back to the BI. Maybe she had a change of heart and so did he and hence his return to HI. Did Jillian know Reid was coming back? Or did he ask PTB for a chance to see her and came there on his own? We don't know that yet. So when he does show up, her reaction to his visit should tell her more.

    I keep going back to the only other time this show ever made reference to marriage symbolism in some form was Trista/Ryan when they spot married couples on the grounds during their alone time at a group date. We have match made in heaven, pastor/pilot talk of marriage, her reference to seeing Reid standing at altar while she walks down the aisle. Has she ever make such references about the other two men?

    The two spurned bach at ATFRC could be Kip and Ed who were both taken to FRC and they want to know why when she was already in love with Reid. Question is did she realize it before or after she let Reid go? We'll know today if someone from ATFRC comes back with an answer. Either my theory is right with the rest of you or I should start writing my own romantic fiction book pronto.. Right now, in the storyline all roads lead to Reid in my book.
    I needed your reassurance seeker! Someone posted a link to a blog interview CH did. Chris said Reid was the one who requested to go back. TPTB helped facilitate the comeback, but CH says the idea was Reid's.

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    Re: Edit Analysis

    Quote Originally Posted by lovemygirls;3606241;

    TPTB are hiding it big time but letting out little leaks here and there until the full court press probably this weekend. If he was another Jeremy they would be all over it like white on rice. The interviews have now turned to asking about Reid...right after the sneak peek tease on Monday. It is a 3 man horse race now. She avoids the Reid answers or gets flustered answering them though and it isn't because she is being cold...she is bursting at the seams to let out her "happy" news.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
    I get that feeling too. She avoids Reid questions like the plague!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BachfanNY;3606878;
    I get that feeling too. She avoids Reid questions like the plague!
    And if she didn't choose him then she wouldn't be doing that.
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    Jillian said the ending would be controversial. There's nothing at all controversial about choosing one of the f2. However, dumping the f2 in favor of the f3, now that's controversial!

    I'm still very much on the Reid train.

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