Bachelorette 5 - Media Spoilers

[atem]

I am afraid to even watch. Fleiss will do nothing but make these women continue to confess how "pathetic" they are ...what "losers" they are...all because they are of a different body type...The fact that we thought he manipulated and made Jillian look bad, can only lead me to believe this will be an emotional, degrading mess. The man has no morals what so ever.

I will stick with "Dating in the Dark"..I think it is a pretty neat experiment. Of course "daisy of Love Finale" is tonight..Now THERE is something FUN to watch

Right, the reviewer of just the 1st episode said that he recommends that we don't watch. I feel so bad for the ladies, because they are REALLY going to be heartbroken and have to face the mean comments that already popping up about their size.

Maybe, finally this will be the limit people will take from Fleiss!

[ironcat]

IMO there are more posts supporting Jill on her blog than bashing her. The negative opinions on her choice are mostly evident on this board.

I haven't looked at her blog today, as of early yesterday, there were more angry or disappointed posts than supportive ones. I heard JU was urging people to post nice things on her blog, so maybe that explains the shift.

The Reid support and preference goes quite a bit further than FORT, although we probably were on the train first. Even the media now routinely refers to Reid as the fan favorite.

[Alanna]

And they end up marrying the bad boy, which lasts for 3-5 years then they have had enough, and go on the search to find the good guys that they once disregarded

I see the Jillian that is with Reid as a good representation of the carefree, lovable Jillian that they showed us last season. The jumping on the bed Jillian. The have fun with your best friend Jillian. Reid brought that out in her.

Kiptyn would have been able to ground her life very well and give her stability that she probably needs in a partner. I think he would be the type of guy who would "never leave" as she has spoken of in regards to her mother.

Ultimately the polished hick as she describes herself, may be a little less polished, and a little more hick, which does fit better with Wes or Ed. Reid or Kiptyn could have brought a little more polish, but that's not what she wants right now.

ITA with your assessment of the three men but I don't think that Jill will ever learn. She's 30 years old! And has been picking the type of men since she was a teenager? Yeah, I'm afraid her life is going to be very hurtful with a constant string of womanizers like Ed.

[StanleyCupCanes]

I suspect that Billy Bush becoming a blatant and avid Ed fan has a lot to do with damage control. They must realize that Jill is being thrashed on her blog for making the "unpopular" choice, and are trying to rehabilitate Ed a bit so as not to piss off fans permanently. They like and even court outrage, but I think this is more than they anticipated.

Yes, I agree. They're trying to manage expectations at the 11th hour because I think they overplayed their hand with their editing games. Now that Ed, once a frontrunner, has taken a tumble to 3rd choice in the polling, Google data, etc along with the vicious fan feedback Jillian's already receiving - they're trying to fix it. Much like the whole let's spit and polish up Jesse plan of last summer.

[Alanna]

Yes, I agree. They're trying to manage expectations at the 11th hour because I think they overplayed their hand with their editing games. Now that Ed, once a frontrunner, has taken a tumble to 3rd choice in the polling, Google data, etc along with the vicious fan feedback Jillian's already receiving - they're trying to fix it. Much like the whole let's spit and polish up Jesse plan of last summer.

I do think they overplayed their hand but at the same time, magazines and interviewers are going to go crazy asking the "happy couple" about the ED, farting, drunkenness, girlfriend rumors and whatever else is going on with Ed. It's hard for them to balance understandably- they have to create controversy but not so much that no one will watch the show anymore.

[FanOfUnrealTV]

I'm not at all prepared to trash Jillian. I suspect all she had was a very small smackerel of the whole story at the time she made her decision...perhaps even now.

Honestly, I'm not prepared to trash her even if she had the whole story and then some. If that's the case, I'm only prepared to wish her the best, and I mean that genuinely.

[timewilltell]

A big thank you to Cupcakes, Bloomers, Kasha and SDL (I'm probably missing others, sorry)

Just wanted to add to the chorus of those showing their appreciation for the info that you folks have contributed this season and seasons past. Please don't let the naysaysers get you down or stop you from coming back next season. You're part of the reason that Fort is the go-to site for reliable info. I sometimes don't like what I hear, but I'm sure not going to shoot the messenger over it as "it is what it is". thanks again!!

Yes, this site is certainly quoted a great deal on other sides. Often a week behind in our reading LOL but slowly catching up!

[seeker]

Yes, I agree. They're trying to manage expectations at the 11th hour because I think they overplayed their hand with their editing games. Now that Ed, once a frontrunner, has taken a tumble to 3rd choice in the polling, Google data, etc along with the vicious fan feedback Jillian's already receiving - they're trying to fix it. Much like the whole let's spit and polish up Jesse plan of last summer.

They forgot that most people go the web to get the news these days. They could control what they put out on TV outlets but the cat is out of the bag. People are already talking about boycotting the finale. If that were to happen for once the people have managed to do what would finally get Fleiss. They nail him down in the only way they know it will hurt him..........his wallet. Once people tune out, his ratings tank, it blows up sky high all around him. Plus it's part of July sweeps when most shows have reruns. Tanking in that environment will not be good.

People have been complacent over the years with his manipulations. But this time Reid was real and Fleiss didn't expect Reid to be this popular. They are trying to sell Ed as the hero and people aren't buying it the way he thought they would. I wouldn't be surprised if she makes the rounds in Canada and they skip the US TV stations. The ladies at the View particularly Behar will have a field day with them. It's one thing to show this as reality TV another thing altogether to pretend it's all hunky dory in real life when it's not. Why the facade? The show is done airing, time to move on.

[Irish Hart]

New interview..

Billy Bush: Interviews

Lot's of good clues in here..
In retropect..Said Jason did not have enough energy for her..she still has that "wild side to her" and needs someone to compliment that.( me thinks that's Ed)


Billy says about his pick for Jill's finale choice that "it wasn't even close for me(Billy) " say Ed is the guy you would want to hang out and have a beer with..
Gives him an At and is Billy's pick hands down.
Then Jill says "It's interesting you say that..Says her and ED "are" alot alike..present tense and Kip and her "were" alot alike...past tense( but says Kip is alittle more even keel than she is)..
Her and Ed's relationship wasn't "perfect "that at first "work was a priority ,then he left ,then he came back,then he is professing his love"..( Their relationship on the show is like the "rollercoaster" ride that she talks about when describing her journey)

Billy asked if she "Test drove" the guys...in the bedroom.Says she is a bit of a prude about sleeping with guys,has high morals,high values. She is a good honest clean girl...
Does not say if she slept with any or took any for a "test drive",but hinted that she "didn't' sleep with probabaly most by saying she likes to cuddle for way too many times first before going "the extra mile".. (looks like she is trying to dispell the FD rumors about that she slept with all the guys and all th BS that she is 'sleezy "written about her on her blog..)

Finally Billy says "But you need to know if there is chemistry after" she said "Yes ,if you are looking to spend the rest of your life with someone." (which she is)

My thoughts on the "test drive " part ... Jill knows her and Ed have taken it out for a "drive or two"..and it is "Hot rod"..haha

Its Sunday morning and I've had a few days to think about things.
Somehow I definitely missed the love story. Being raised in a house where it was important to look someone in the eye clouded my interpretation. Funny thing is it was something my Taurus Canadian Dad insisted on.

Anyway there's a day left for me to get on board. This article will help especially if I believe Ed was the only one she "test drove". The only one she loved.

Seville gave her the best opportunity (unless Monday night) for this "test drive". Of course that would have been just after her "cute date" with Reid. I remember she said trust me but that really wasn't pertaining to sleeping with anyone. I know she wrote Ed and her slept with their clothes on but those blogs are just to delve out information to make us think a certain direction.

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Not trying to make Jill's dream my dream
I stink at body language interpretation (I guess)
Upset I can't see the obvious (not just obvious but so obvious)
BUT Once someone lies to me? They are out of here....

[Phyllie]

Its Sunday morning and I've had a few days to think about things.
Somehow I definitely missed the love story. Being raised in a house where it was important to look someone in the eye clouded my interpretation. Funny thing is it was something my Taurus Canadian Dad insisted on.

Anyway there's a day left for me to get on board. This article will help especially if I believe Ed was the only one she "test drove". The only one she loved.

Seville gave her the best opportunity (unless Monday night) for this "test drive". Of course that would have been just after her "cute date" with Reid. I remember she said trust me but that really wasn't pertaining to sleeping with anyone. I know she wrote Ed and her slept with their clothes on but those blogs are just to delve out information to make us think a certain direction.

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Not trying to make Jill's dream my dream
I stink at body language interpretation (I guess)
Upset I can't see the obvious (not just obvious but so obvious)
BUT Once someone lies to me? They are out of here....

First off, with respect to Golde, I don't think that interview with Billy Bush said exactly what her paraphase insinuated. I didn't hear the hot rod reference at all.

I don't think to think point she has been intimate with any of them.She may have slept with Ed on the LCD, as it seems to imply that she was intending to sleep with him on the FD when the romantic atmosphere just didn't happen.

In the Bush interview she said she wasn't going to talk about her sex life unless he wanted to talk about his. To which he replied he would.
Then she backed down, of course, and said that when chosing a life mate that is important but it would have to certainly get to the point that she had made that choice.

so...I got from it that once she had decided which guy she would chose, then she would be open to being with him sexually but not that she would be open to test driving the final three.