You are right SDL. But I guess that tiny bit of some of us (me includedOriginally Posted by sdl;3574504;
) always hopes for that happy ending!!
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Yes, I believe he said that they had asked him how he would be perceived and he said, "as the first guy to make it to F4 with a girlfriend". He wasn't admitting anything, but he certainly wasn't talking about anyone else.
This is very interesting Bloomers. I have not got to the end of the thread, so perhaps this has already been asked. Do you think Jillian contributed at all to the FD outcome w/ Ed. What I mean by that is do you think she perhaps told TPTB that she did not want to be intimate w/ Ed and so they came up w/ this storyline? To play it out as effectively as they could, they would have Jill come out in the outfit that she wore and the scene would be steamy, etc. I know they could have gone w/ various other options on this storyline, but they didn't.
There could be various reasons Jill didn't want to be intimate w/ Ed, but I still have the unanswered question in the back of my mind of - when did she find out about the g/f's?
Just a thought and I could be out to lunch but I would like your opinion.
If the only reference to the lack of chemistry is what we "saw" during the FS date then I would be more inclined to agree with you---they can edit those things to bits. However, we see and hear (meaning it's not voiceover) Jillian talking at length with Chris Harrrison about the same "problem" and later we see he address the same "concern" with Ed himself and he acknowledges that they had a problem---he promises it's not a longterm problem, but he acknowledges that there was a problem. The fact that it is brought up so many times leads me to believe that this wasn't an edited, purely manufactured issue but was rather a real concern that came up (ha! my bad, sorry). JMO.Could it be possible, the whole FD mishap with ED and Jill ,that it went something like this...
They were out all day together...very touchy feely,happy and affectionate,kissy,giddy,hands all over each other,etc..
no signs of trouble there in the chemistry department..nope
He surprises her with meeting his parents and they spend alot of time with them instead of having some alone time at dinner together..
They go back to the hotel and TPTB want some FD footage to use to show their physical connection,Fantasy suite stuff....
They go to the suite and TPTB want Jill and Ed ,who at this point have had a LONG day and want SOME ALONE time without the cameras,to give them some FS footage before they leave them alone for the night.
They want some romantic clips for the show,yadda,yadda,yadda, so they have Jill get into some skimpy coverup and have Ed and Jill rub oil on one another to illustrate how much they want to be together,their intense chemistry..add in a few cheesy "she's hot" comments which, by the way , looked like they were most filmed "after" the mishap..
and they are assured they are finished with the filming for the night and will be left alone..
Add also that maybe ED did not want the cameras in their faces and was uncomfortable being filmed when he was trying to be serious with her and genuine..and express his genuine feelings for her..again he is not an actor and may not be naturally comfortable having his every intimate move filmed.
Add in also that while they they were on the bed with their hands "all over each other" if things got to a point where they "would NOT want" their continued actions to be filmed they may have said "We are tired"."We are done for the day"..
Camera guys left..
The rest was edited to make a point that somehow these two that could not keep their hands off each other were now suddenly lacking physical chemisty??
I'd call it a decoy, a very distasteful decoy of trying to throw people off the obvious F1 trail,Ed..
Again,why was that camera man filming so long in their room..?What was he waiting for exactly?Maybe he stayed until Ed got out of bed and went outside to the balcony because things got alittle too "hot" when they were filming...HUH
Jill and Ed do not have any "chemistry issue" or inability to communicate that to one another..maybe it was just an excuse used,"they were tired", to get the camera men to leave finally..huh..
ED "took one for the team" on that one for sure..but that's ok.He is a pure gentleman I bet.
I'm sure they KNOW how compatible they are....
Originally Posted by Bloomers
During DeAnna's season the sleuthers got a tremendous amount of false inside info which combined with what I thought was simply poor editing led us to believe that Jason was F1.
However, that season I received 2 small pieces of inside info that did pan out. One was that DeAnna's love story was boring, so the dramatic emphasis was on Graham. That one was plain to see, and it was evident that she really wanted Graham.
The other piece of info is the one I think is rather interesting for the edit and might be pertinent to this conversation.
I was told that DeAnna and Jesse received poor edits because on the set DeAnna was a diva and Jesse was a PITA (pain in the rear). This was re-inforced by Ron, the Barber's, posts here at the FORT. He said (paraphrasing but the correct gist) that Jesse dealt them fits. He did exactly what he wanted to do. If he didn't want to do what they told told him to do, he just didn't do it. He did not follow directions on the set well at all.
The inside info was that Jesse's edit of being rough and uncouth ( and all of the unflattering things we wouldn't associate with an F1) were a reflection of the way that the producers felt about him.
Granted, logic can sometimes blow you out of the saddle; however, playboys have no trouble having sex; therefore, logic indicates to me that if Ed is the playboy that he is reputed to be, he would have no trouble having sex on the fantasy date.
I suspect Ed received bad editing because he hacked somebody off behind the scenes.
So Bloomers, are you saying Ed is receiving the "bad" edit because he ticked someone off/was acting like a "diva" can men be divas?...but may still end up as F1 and crappy edit will be because he ticked TPTB ?Was there a reason as to why Jesse did whatever he wanted to do on the set? and pardon my naiveness, but what does the last bolded sentance mean? The word hacked I associate to computer lingo, but I can also make it whatever I want it to mean!
In her most recent RC chat with CH she said her biggest concern about Kip was that he had not shown her his vulnerabilities and he puts up a wall and she's afraid he'll break her heart.
With Reid he's fits to a "T" how she'd describe her future fiance or husband, makes her laugh, questions if he is ready to at least take her hand, tell her he's not ready for a proposal, not ready for marriage, but was not ready to lose her, he couldn't do that yet. (This is what transpires in the last five minutes, foreshadowing?)
With Ed he's taking it very seriously, there is a lot of pressure with each other and he's got other things on his mind (maybe it was the gfs back home). If real life, if someone tells a person just want they want to hear most of the time, that relationship is not built on honesty.JMO!
methinks the guys take much less time to de-lead than the ladies do.
Ride to airport - yup, time to move on.....
I can see the FRC going several possible ways....she could say yes to one of the guys or she could tell one or more she needs time to think or she could tell them all no. Regardless of what happens I am guessing the last moment or two will mirror last season and a very sober looking Chris Harrison will tell us that we need to tune in tomorrow to watch the most dramatic AFRC ever and find out the real conclusion. My personal bet is that they will film AFRC live or it will be live to tape and then aired the same or next day---no time for leaks. They've been known to either have no studio audience or to keep the audience they have there for 8-12 hours---if they want no leaks, they'll do their best to keep it from leaking. JMO.
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