The Aftermath

[nitagirl614]

Originally Posted by scoobie

Although I remain skeptical about the authenticity of the aforementioned post, nevertheless, what I gleaned from its content has provided me with some thoughts about The Bachelor 12 and The Bachelorette 4. I have named both as the “Post-Womack” (PW) seasons after the only Bachelor in the series’ history who was much vilified for apparently having the audacity of suffering from a bout of conscience at the end and thereby seemingly changing the way by which the series will be produced. So, by looking through the PW prism, it is striking to find a great deal of similarities between the past two seasons with respect to plotlines and the central figures of the show.

The London Calling season came at the heel of Womack’s; therefore, it seemed to be used as a pilot run of the producer’s PW strategy of how the show will be produced. The one-hr format in the weak 10:00 PM slot strongly indicated the producer’s willingness to “sacrifice” potentials for high ratings in order to see if the new strategy works. The show came across as highly scripted and the outcome was so painfully obvious that it was as though it was by design. The only interesting thing from the season was that they had selected a bachelor from overseas who had the charms, pedigrees and had stated all the right reasons for coming on to the show. However, as the show progressed, all that he had said or said about him (by the producer and by himself) gradually became highly questionable by his decisions and actions. After the show ended, this allegedly highly successful global financier decided to stay in LA to pursue a career in the entertainment industry. This decision magnified all the questions and doubts about his persona projected before the show. Compounding this with the ensuing foibles of his chosen one pretty much nailed the coffin for the season. However, the producer did not seem to be phased by this considered to be the weakest Bachelor season because to them it was just a pilot run. Now on with the main feature not even a second after the “most romantic finale in Bachelor history”!

In Bachelorette 4, the producer seems confident that they have mastered the PW strategy with adding enough drama to the show that the highly scripted show would not come across as such. In fact, they were so confident that they returned to the 2-hr format at 9:00 PM slot with confidence and even used some of the storylines from Bachelor 12. The following is some of the recycled storylines I have observed and speculated:

F4: Graham = Noelle (Let go because of communication issues despite physical attractiveness to the bachelorette/bachelor)

F3: Jeremy = Amanda (Let go because of “loving the other two more” despite of being perfect to the bachelorette/bachelor)

F2: Jason (?) = Chelsea (Let go because of doubts about personal baggages despite being the one whom the bachlorette/bachelor was passionate about)

F1: Jesse (?) = Shayne (The snow monkey strikes again)

More important, in DeAnna Pappas the producer has found a perfect central figure in this PW era. After all, she was rejected by that heartless bastard Womack, and most of the viewers liked her at least because of the sympathy factor. And boy, did the producer ever play the victim card through out the season. Ironically, as the season progresses, we find DeAnna traveling down the same path of personal deconstruction as Matt Grant because of her decisions and actions on the show. At this juncture, many viewers have come so disenchanted that they too no longer believe her initially stated reasons for coming onto the show. So now we have heard that DeAnna has also decided to remain in LA to purse and cultivate her C-List celebrity like her predecessor. Wow, this is déjà vu all over again, and, presumably, fit right in with the PW strategy of the producer, who is rumored to be in talk with JT Torregiani (Paula Abdul’s ex) as the next Bachelor.

However this season turns out, I am confident to say that there is one happy saloon keeper down in Austin Texas who finally has the opportunity to redeem himself with the viewers.

The snow monkey strikes again! lol!

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[Capegal]

Originally Posted by scoobie

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However this season turns out, I am confident to say that there is one happy saloon keeper down in Austin Texas who finally has the opportunity to redeem himself with the viewers.

ROFL This really made me chuckle - could well be the truth too

[thethreej's]

Originally Posted by Shannonm93

Yeah and this is one person that won't be watching ... I think I'll need to schedule a root canal for that day - it should be more fun, don't ya think??

Actually i think that would be a blast, compared to watching that wedding on tv. Maybe they both can snowboard down the aisle, with fake snow!!!!!!

[freethinker]

Originally Posted by beth0419

How do you explain the very reliable sources say they were at he atrc and said jesse is f1

Personally, I have to question the reliability of anyone who is made privvy to information that they agree to keep to themselves but then supposedly fail to honor that agreement the first chance they get.

That sounds more like being paid to intentionally mislead others to me.

[GaBB7fan]

Originally Posted by scoobie

F4: Graham = Noelle (Let go because of communication issues despite physical attractiveness to the bachelorette/bachelor)

F3: Jeremy = Amanda (Let go because of “loving the other two more” despite of being perfect to the bachelorette/bachelor)

F2: Jason (?) = Chelsea (Let go because of doubts about personal baggages despite being the one whom the bachlorette/bachelor was passionate about)

F1: Jesse (?) = Shayne (The snow monkey strikes again)

Shortened your post, but I am taking notes for next season....if he/she lives where it snows, snow skis, goes snow skiing on a date or sells snowcones, he/she will be F1!

Ok...got it!

[HillCntryGrl]

Originally Posted by scoobie

Although I remain skeptical about the authenticity of the aforementioned post, nevertheless, what I gleaned from its content has provided me with some thoughts about The Bachelor 12 and The Bachelorette 4. I have named both as the “Post-Womack” (PW) seasons after the only Bachelor in the series’ history who was much vilified for apparently having the audacity of suffering from a bout of conscience at the end and thereby seemingly changing the way by which the series will be produced. So, by looking through the PW prism, it is striking to find a great deal of similarities between the past two seasons with respect to plotlines and the central figures of the show.

The London Calling season came at the heel of Womack’s; therefore, it seemed to be used as a pilot run of the producer’s PW strategy of how the show will be produced. The one-hr format in the weak 10:00 PM slot strongly indicated the producer’s willingness to “sacrifice” potentials for high ratings in order to see if the new strategy works. The show came across as highly scripted and the outcome was so painfully obvious that it was as though it was by design. The only interesting thing from the season was that they had selected a bachelor from overseas who had the charms, pedigrees and had stated all the right reasons for coming on to the show. However, as the show progressed, all that he had said or said about him (by the producer and by himself) gradually became highly questionable by his decisions and actions. After the show ended, this allegedly highly successful global financier decided to stay in LA to pursue a career in the entertainment industry. This decision magnified all the questions and doubts about his persona projected before the show. Compounding this with the ensuing foibles of his chosen one pretty much nailed the coffin for the season. However, the producer did not seem to be phased by this considered to be the weakest Bachelor season because to them it was just a pilot run. Now on with the main feature not even a second after the “most romantic finale in Bachelor history”!

In Bachelorette 4, the producer seems confident that they have mastered the PW strategy with adding enough drama to the show that the highly scripted show would not come across as such. In fact, they were so confident that they returned to the 2-hr format at 9:00 PM slot with confidence and even used some of the storylines from Bachelor 12. The following is some of the recycled storylines I have observed and speculated:

F4: Graham = Noelle (Let go because of communication issues despite physical attractiveness to the bachelorette/bachelor)

F3: Jeremy = Amanda (Let go because of “loving the other two more” despite of being perfect to the bachelorette/bachelor)

F2: Jason (?) = Chelsea (Let go because of doubts about personal baggages despite being the one whom the bachlorette/bachelor was passionate about)

F1: Jesse (?) = Shayne (The snow monkey strikes again)

More important, in DeAnna Pappas the producer has found a perfect central figure in this PW era. After all, she was rejected by that heartless bastard Womack, and most of the viewers liked her at least because of the sympathy factor. And boy, did the producer ever play the victim card through out the season. Ironically, as the season progresses, we find DeAnna traveling down the same path of personal deconstruction as Matt Grant because of her decisions and actions on the show. At this juncture, many viewers have come so disenchanted that they too no longer believe her initially stated reasons for coming onto the show. So now we have heard that DeAnna has also decided to remain in LA to purse and cultivate her C-List celebrity like her predecessor. Wow, this is déjà vu all over again, and, presumably, fit right in with the PW strategy of the producer, who is rumored to be in talk with JT Torregiani (Paula Abdul’s ex) as the next Bachelor.

However this season turns out, I am confident to say that there is one happy saloon keeper down in Austin Texas who finally has the opportunity to redeem himself with the viewers.

ITA and Jason will be MUCh better off!! He is free to find someone who truly appreciates him, his family, his child and his life in Seattle. Best of luck to him..

[thethreej's]

Originally Posted by nitagirl614

The snow monkey strikes again! lol!

OMG, if she starts calling him her snow monkey, I will have too .

[pb&j]

Originally Posted by casualfan

Gosh, I'm so sorry for those huge fans of DeAnna that because she doesn't pick Jason changes their outlook on her.

I did read this post on aol message boards this morning. I don't think it's true for these reasons:

1. If this person was laid off, and they wanted to stay in the industry, there is NO way they would publicly post on a message board because it would greatly jeopardize their career
2. Doesn't the use of the term "Fleiss" throw anyone a curve ball? Most people would say "I was laid off by next entertainment". I also had heard somewhere that Fleiss has given some new producers a lot of control over the past two seasons, I highly doubt HE would be convincing DeAnna. It would be her assigned producer or handler
3. What in the world would be the motivation to choose Jesse over Jason?? TPTB are not stupid, they know Jason will be well received when the show is aired, they would much rather go for a Tessa (sweetheart) and Andy finale than a Shayne and Matt ending.
4. Why would this person post where they posted? A random AOL message board, filled with people who don't even know who "Fleiss" is, per the comments following the post.

I feel so badly for Jason and his fans, because it's going to be really awful to watch him hurt on Monday night. I only hope that all 3 of the last people involved in the show find their own happiness, wherever and whatever that may be.

Could it be possible that she actually saw forever with Jesse? And had to let go of a fantastic man. I guess the benefit to society is that he is still out there for the single ladies

There's a problem with "forever". You maybe can see it but you can't determine it alone.

Jesse on forever. . . . it's over knucklehead ! You mixed the tupperware up with the cereal bowls.

[thethreej's]

Originally Posted by Julz

Just because you are not a fan of Jesse/De's, doesn't mean that there aren't any out there...

True, I know there are.

[cheekychook]

Originally Posted by ducky2

I think Kasha mentioned this earlier - we really don't know that he actually professes his love and proposes. He is starting to go down on on knee, but I would bet that she takes his hands, pulls him to his feet and explains that she is in love with someone else. I really think she cares for all of these guys, and so far has shown nothing but compassion for them when she says goodbye. I sure hope no one is humiliated - Jason, Jesse and for that matter Jeremy, when they show him go back to talk to her.

Also, remember, she's not allowed to let him know who she's choosing beforehand - although I would hope hints are given when they are alone.

I agree---we don't know he proposes---in the cap where he is going down on one knee he looks up, with what could be an "uhoh" look on his face---she could have stopped him before he spoke the words...let's hope so for his sake!

As fas as showing nothing but compassion for them when she says goodbye, I only agree with that up to the F4. She and Graham had an argumentative relationship from the get go, so I expected them to go out with just as much bickering---and they did. She was pretty accusatory with him (well, very accusatory, actually---but I was willing to give her some leeway there because of her past issues with men who couldn't commit to her). When she let Jeremy go, I will admit that she was upset, but I didn't see all that much compassion. She gave him the "you're perfect, I'm stupid" line, which is a glammed up version of "it's not you it's me", and from what we have heard she didn't react that well to hearing him say he was falling in love with her, but then she took him to the Fantasy Suite---so I don't really see how much more of a mixed message she could have sent him. And when he questioned her about that at the MTA she replied with a really snotty tone---compassionate comments don't generally make the recipients yell "ouch!" I don't think DeAnna purposely set out to hurt anyone, but I think she will totally crush her F2 with a rejection that he will not see coming. Yes, that's the nature of the show, but that doesn't make it any easier on the F2, or on us. JMO, as always...