The Aftermath

[ducky2]

Originally Posted by jax_1

I hope I stated that clearly enough, In other words, I am not mad about F2 what I am mad about is that she let him make a fool out of himself by professing his love for her at the end when 'apparently' she knew she didn't choose him. IT just contradicts what she has been saying about Brad all along, he led me on, he didn't let me know I WAS NOT the one.

I think Kasha mentioned this earlier - we really don't know that he actually professes his love and proposes. He is starting to go down on on knee, but I would bet that she takes his hands, pulls him to his feet and explains that she is in love with someone else. I really think she cares for all of these guys, and so far has shown nothing but compassion for them when she says goodbye. I sure hope no one is humiliated - Jason, Jesse and for that matter Jeremy, when they show him go back to talk to her.

Also, remember, she's not allowed to let him know who she's choosing beforehand - although I would hope hints are given when they are alone.

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[Shannonm93]

Originally Posted by casualfan

Gosh, I'm so sorry for those huge fans of DeAnna that because she doesn't pick Jason changes their outlook on her.

I did read this post on aol message boards this morning. I don't think it's true for these reasons:

1. If this person was laid off, and they wanted to stay in the industry, there is NO way they would publicly post on a message board because it would greatly jeopardize their career
2. Doesn't the use of the term "Fleiss" throw anyone a curve ball? Most people would say "I was laid off by next entertainment". I also had heard somewhere that Fleiss has given some new producers a lot of control over the past two seasons, I highly doubt HE would be convincing DeAnna. It would be her assigned producer or handler
3. What in the world would be the motivation to choose Jesse over Jason?? TPTB are not stupid, they know Jason will be well received when the show is aired, they would much rather go for a Tessa (sweetheart) and Andy finale than a Shayne and Matt ending.
4. Why would this person post where they posted? A random AOL message board, filled with people who don't even know who "Fleiss" is, per the comments following the post.

I feel so badly for Jason and his fans, because it's going to be really awful to watch him hurt on Monday night. I only hope that all 3 of the last people involved in the show find their own happiness, wherever and whatever that may be.

Could it be possible that she actually saw forever with Jesse? And had to let go of a fantastic man. I guess the benefit to society is that he is still out there for the single ladies

I'm not saying this is the reason, but someone brought this up earlier today and it sounded to be like it could be a very valid explanation as to the motivation of choosing Jesse over Jason. Answer - the wedding. Jason may have been alot less likely to agree to a big, televised wedding than Jesse was because of Ty. Like I said, I have no idea if this is true or not, but someone else here brought it up and I just thought I'd bring it forward.

[Phyllie]

Originally Posted by atem

Actually, I read in an interview that she said that her top 2 from the start ended up being cut...

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted, but I think that's true and that Jeremy and Graham were her top two early on. At least it appeared that way.

[thethreej's]

Originally Posted by Shannonm93

I'm not saying this is the reason, but someone brought this up earlier today and it sounded to be like it could be a very valid explanation as to the motivation of choosing Jesse over Jason. Answer - the wedding. Jason may have been alot less likely to agree to a big, televised wedding than Jesse was because of Ty. Like I said, I have no idea if this is true or not, but someone else here brought it up and I just thought I'd bring it forward.

That is very possible, but dont you have to have fans to have a televised wedding!!!!!!

[Shannonm93]

Originally Posted by thethreej's

That is very possible, but dont you have to have fans to have a televised wedding!!!!!!

Yeah and this is one person that won't be watching ... I think I'll need to schedule a root canal for that day - it should be more fun, don't ya think??

[Shannonm93]

Originally Posted by Phyllie

I'm not sure what that has to do with what I posted, but I think that's true and that Jeremy and Graham were her top two early on. At least it appeared that way.

Well Chris certainly thought that when they taped the MTA.

[scoobie]

Originally Posted by Diane R

Good grief.

A former staffer on the show just posted on JU and said Fleiss laid off a lot of the production staff after the show. The staffer really spills the beans about this series, Fleiss, and the Lorenzo and Matt's series. Suffice to say that all the posts today saying that this series did not make sense were totally correct.

I don't know the rules here, or if a post from that site can be pasted. I'll wait for someone else to do it.

Although I remain skeptical about the authenticity of the aforementioned post, nevertheless, what I gleaned from its content has provided me with some thoughts about The Bachelor 12 and The Bachelorette 4. I have named both as the “Post-Womack” (PW) seasons after the only Bachelor in the series’ history who was much vilified for apparently having the audacity of suffering from a bout of conscience at the end and thereby seemingly changing the way by which the series will be produced. So, by looking through the PW prism, it is striking to find a great deal of similarities between the past two seasons with respect to plotlines and the central figures of the show.

The London Calling season came at the heel of Womack’s; therefore, it seemed to be used as a pilot run of the producer’s PW strategy of how the show will be produced. The one-hr format in the weak 10:00 PM slot strongly indicated the producer’s willingness to “sacrifice” potentials for high ratings in order to see if the new strategy works. The show came across as highly scripted and the outcome was so painfully obvious that it was as though it was by design. The only interesting thing from the season was that they had selected a bachelor from overseas who had the charms, pedigrees and had stated all the right reasons for coming on to the show. However, as the show progressed, all that he had said or said about him (by the producer and by himself) gradually became highly questionable by his decisions and actions. After the show ended, this allegedly highly successful global financier decided to stay in LA to pursue a career in the entertainment industry. This decision magnified all the questions and doubts about his persona projected before the show. Compounding this with the ensuing foibles of his chosen one pretty much nailed the coffin for the season. However, the producer did not seem to be phased by this considered to be the weakest Bachelor season because to them it was just a pilot run. Now on with the main feature not even a second after the “most romantic finale in Bachelor history”!

In Bachelorette 4, the producer seems confident that they have mastered the PW strategy with adding enough drama to the show that the highly scripted show would not come across as such. In fact, they were so confident that they returned to the 2-hr format at 9:00 PM slot with confidence and even used some of the storylines from Bachelor 12. The following is some of the recycled storylines I have observed and speculated:

F4: Graham = Noelle (Let go because of communication issues despite physical attractiveness to the bachelorette/bachelor)

F3: Jeremy = Amanda (Let go because of “loving the other two more” despite of being perfect to the bachelorette/bachelor)

F2: Jason (?) = Chelsea (Let go because of doubts about personal baggages despite being the one whom the bachlorette/bachelor was passionate about)

F1: Jesse (?) = Shayne (The snow monkey strikes again)

More important, in DeAnna Pappas the producer has found a perfect central figure in this PW era. After all, she was rejected by that heartless bastard Womack, and most of the viewers liked her at least because of the sympathy factor. And boy, did the producer ever play the victim card through out the season. Ironically, as the season progresses, we find DeAnna traveling down the same path of personal deconstruction as Matt Grant because of her decisions and actions on the show. At this juncture, many viewers have come so disenchanted that they too no longer believe her initially stated reasons for coming onto the show. So now we have heard that DeAnna has also decided to remain in LA to purse and cultivate her C-List celebrity like her predecessor. Wow, this is déjà vu all over again, and, presumably, fit right in with the PW strategy of the producer, who is rumored to be in talk with JT Torregiani (Paula Abdul’s ex) as the next Bachelor.

However this season turns out, I am confident to say that there is one happy saloon keeper down in Austin Texas who finally has the opportunity to redeem himself with the viewers.

[Julz]

Originally Posted by thethreej's

That is very possible, but dont you have to have fans to have a televised wedding!!!!!!

Just because you are not a fan of Jesse/De's, doesn't mean that there aren't any out there...

[Phyllie]

Originally Posted by Shannonm93

I'm not saying this is the reason, but someone brought this up earlier today and it sounded to be like it could be a very valid explanation as to the motivation of choosing Jesse over Jason. Answer - the wedding. Jason may have been alot less likely to agree to a big, televised wedding than Jesse was because of Ty. Like I said, I have no idea if this is true or not, but someone else here brought it up and I just thought I'd bring it forward.

The "edit" Jason hasn't shown ANY reluctance to have Ty on tv at any time. It pretty simple though, true love overcomes a lot of obstacles, so I'm sure if Deanna and Jason had been truly, deeply in love with each other they would have worked it out. Same with Graham/DeAnna.

Doesn't prove she's TRULY in love with Jesse, but explains her not picking the other two despite the obstacles.

[ohkayk]

Originally Posted by Capegal

IF - and I say IF IF IF - that is really from an ex-employee - and IF - and I say IF IF IF - what a sham - and what a shame as well - for all involved.


The bed has obviously been made - and D will have to lie in it - IF this has any truth to it at all.

I agree with the IF IF IF. What would Fleiss get out of "forcing" De to pick Jesse - especially with the way the season was edited? And if he had that type of influence over the contestants, we would've seen Brad eating that submarine sandwich at the end of last season.