The Aftermath

[TVDiva]

Originally Posted by gurlbrit

There was one other taping of an AFTR some years back where it was filmed at a school - not in a studio, where the studio audience were made to wait for two hours outside in the heat before the filming began, so in my opinion this is not an unusual event.

Newbie first post here. I have really enjoyed reading you all though! I just want to echo this statement. As a Southern Californian who has attended tapings of many TV shows in LA for CBS and ABC, the wait can be long due to technical difficulties and the lighting alone. And usually when they line us up at the entrance to enter the studio--which is long, its generally daytime and in the hot California Sun. Also people stand in line early sometimes to get the gront row spots. I know I stood in line for many tapings of Rockstar INXS and Rockstar Supernova. We had to be there at 2pm lined up and almost always they didnt even let us into the studio until 3-330pm..and then sometimes fudged around fixing things til 4pm. On a hot Cali day thats brutal and can make some people pissy.

I dont doubt the words the people that were there are saying but dont let the fact that they had to wait to get in factor in at all. Thats completely normal. Just sayin.

Cheers to you all!

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[sunny_peach]

Originally Posted by Bichonlady

Anyone want to join me in throwing darts at Mike Fleiss' picture?

Too bad we can create a game on the net with his face on it, that would make me feel better. He is a major jerkwad for what he has pulled. I hope the ratings for the final episode stink, I really do. I have zero interest in watching this mess which he has created.

[beth0419]

Originally Posted by KashatheDiva

I think at least 2 of us have come forward today and posted that we spoke to friends of ours at ATFR. So I guess the answer to your question would be "yes".
I have.

So your friends are paid actors?

[BSGFan]

Originally Posted by pajamasam

I'm at the point where I just really dont care who Deanna chooses for her F1. I have seen no love story with Jesse. I guess she really did fall hard for Graham. At least it was refreshing to watch a Bach/Bachelorette genuinely fall for someone on their show. It's a shame that it wasnt reciprocated.

I must admit that it's fun to watch Fleiss scramble. ATFR or no ATFR? Engagement party or Where are they Now? I'm getting a kick out of the machinations.

Ditto.
I think the one who would be F1 walked away as F4 and that was it. I don't see much of a love story going on with either of the remaining suitors. I do think that Jason is more mature and ready to settle down. Jesse is a nice guy but I see zero chemistry or a true connection
between him and D.

[Shannonm93]

Originally Posted by Bichonlady

Anyone want to join me in throwing darts at Mike Fleiss' picture?

Me!

[imafed]

I just won't believe she is choosing Jesse and here is why. Somewhere on these posts is mention that new editors worked on Matt's show and now De's show. During Matt's show, it sure seemed to a lot of people that the last 2 standing would be Amanda and Shayne. I think TPTB hoped for that also which is why they focused on Amanda so much in the beginning. But, IMO, Matt fell for Shayne early enough to decide to send Amanda (someone else for whom he had some feelings) home and keep Chelsea to show Shayne that it was Shayne all the way. I don't think TPTB were probably too happy with this decision but they then had to spin it in some fashion to, hopefully, keep the "secret" alive. How funny was it that during the FD episode Matt, basically, complained about how closed off and uncomfortable the day was with Chelsea for us to later see (as in TPTB filmed every second) Chelsea slip into something more comfortable AND remove her panties before snuggling up with Matt. Next ceremony, Matt gives Amanda the boot and claims to be in love with both Chelsea and Shayne. Chelsea has had a few tantrum-like moments since TFR and you have to wonder what TPTB influenced during tapings - did they tell Chelsea that Matt was into her but didn't think she was into him so she needed to sex it up a bit? They, obviously, convinced her of something to film her in such a way and to suddenly make her so attractive to Matt. Her anger afterward was probably directed more toward the way she was manipulated by TPTB and Matt then in being dumped by Matt for Shayne. And, then, just to keep the intrigue alive before FRC, they do not schedule an ATFR - boy did that kick up a lot of speculation, etc! So, now we have De's season and, boy, has she made a mess for TPTB. First they zone in on Graham 'cause she was definitely digging him - and they give Jeremy extra time in the beginning also 'cause she was definitely digging him. Then, lo and behold, Jason gets some very intense alone time with her and her feelings start to change. Well, it is looking like a Graham, Jason showdown for final 2 - but, maybe during HTD De lets Graham know about her building feelings for Jason - which allows for Graham's "have fun" or "good luck" comment when she was leaving. Graham starts to think he might get taken to F2 only to be dumped and decides it ain't worth the humiliation, etc., so he lets TPTB know he wants out. De decides after Jason's and Jeremy's HTD's that, maybe, Graham isn't the best for her - or she finds out that Graham wants out and she has to send him home first. Now, suddenly, TPTB have to re-edit and start to show the problems between De and Graham, but they are left with Jeremy, Jason and Jesse - and they haven't really shown much romance or connection with Jesse so they better start getting Jesse on track just in case. Lo and behold, De decides Jason is the man for her and she decides (maybe even against TPTB) to let Jeremy go at F3 after he declares his love and she knows that Jason is her man. Now, suddenly, TPTB are left with Jason and Jesse - now, how do you get that to be a "cliffhanger"? Well, turn Jesse's talk from telling his dad he isn't ready for marriage to telling De that, if she picks him, she better expect a proposal. Telling De that he is "like totally, ridicuously" falling in love with her; whatever. But, hey Jesse, if you don't do that, you're history; your 15 minutes is up. Now, how do we get people to believe that De is torn between these two? Well, we spread disinformation that Jesse is F1 -either telling "inside" "unquestionable" informants this or offering them some enticement for spreading the story. And, now, TPTB think they have the story that will keep people watching. Too bad they don't understand that most just want to see the real love story.

If you look back on those shows that have given us a couple, for a least a short time, some of the same scenario can be seen. First is Trista - she chose Ryan and kept saying throughout her series that Charlie was the type of guy she "always" dated, was "always" attracted to (like Graham with De). Charlie was well liked but, it was pretty evident thoughout that the chances of him proposing at the end were pretty slim - he liked Trista, he was a great guy, but he wasn't looking for marriage. When Trista knew Ryan was the guy, it wasn't as hard to take Charlie to F2 and still made for good tv because of Charlie's likeability. Plus, she couldn't even ask Russ (was that his name?) to fantasy suite so it had to be Charlie by default. Meanwhile, stories spread like wildfire that she was seen in LA with Charlie, that she was pregnant with his baby, etc. before FRC. We've been told that TPTB weren't always happy with Trista 'cause she did not toe their line all the time - hmm. Then Andrew Firestone - back when Jen was thought to be a sweetheart. He takes her and Kirsten to F2 - Kirsten who wanted the Firestone name and money so badly and was shocked to find out that the family actually worked for a living! People thought Andrew was just so sexually attracted to her that he couldn't see her for what she was - a gold digger. But, taking Kirsten to F2 against wholesome (again, at that time) Jen, was a ratings boon! Merideth played TPTB game and got rid of bull inseminator Lanny to keep audience favorites Matthew and Ian - then she played the game even better by telling Matthew that she'd be honored to be his wife or something just as cruel. And Ian, the aloof, bad boy type (graham again) kept saying he would never propose, etc. How great for TV to see the finale where she chooses Ian AND he proposes - most dramatic? Then, there's Byron and Mary - was it just a coinkydink that Mary was brought back on as another bachelorette for this eligible bachelor or did Byron see something he liked in watching tapes of old shows? Well, of course, more than one would have to return or it would be SO obvious who he wanted - so bring another along and then dump her next episode. F2 - Mary and Tanya, who had little individual romance until F3 but who thought she was falling in love with Byron - what did TPTB tell her? And, lots of people thought for sure that she was F1. Then Charlie keeps Krisily and Sarah - Krisily was, basically, shown as a beotch the entire show and then, when she suddenly becomes F2, TPTB start to show a "nicer" side to her and people start talking that Charlie picked her. And, then there's Matt, and then there's De. Matt's choice was obvious the minute he took Chelsea to F2 and not Amanda just like De's choice was obvious the minute she took Jesse over Jeremy. Spinmeister can spin all they want, it won't change the outcome - De picks Jason.

[beth0419]

Originally Posted by Bichonlady

Anyone want to join me in throwing darts at Mike Fleiss' picture?

here you go you can use this one

[Netcam]

Originally Posted by sassy914

That's what bothers me...they aren't gonna give us any answers that can explain this in a satisfactory manner. The majority of us will never understand the outcome.

That's why I feel for Jason...he probably still doesn't understand.

I think the answers are not too hard to find if you look back on the past couple of episodes. We only really need to know if Graham did actually ask to leave after the HTD's as rumored. DeAnna was upset enough that maybe that was the case. In other words, if Graham was opening up more and/or wanted to stay ... Jason was probably going home that night as F4. He ended up getting the last rose (Jesse the first after a great HTD and meeting his awesome down-to-earth parents). Forward to the FD's and DeAnna was probably going to always let Jeremy go at F3. He was too emotionally invested and she probably knew it would devestate him a lot more to be dropped at F2 over Jason. And Jason did give her the implied go-ahead to do that when he told her during their dinner that his son shouldn't come into the decision. Jason is stronger than Jeremy, he will be hurt but will get over it a lot quicker than Jeremy. So DeAnna's options were limited after Graham turned things upside down with his departure, IMO.

[Shannonm93]

Originally Posted by sunny_peach

What will Dee do when the snowflakes begin to call out to her chosen one and she is a snow widow for the next few months. Psych I really don't care what she does. Queen B can sit in her castle and think about how she could of had the man of her dreams but threw it away due to her own issues.

ROTFLMAO!!

I completely agree!

[thethreej's]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/shooby1/fleiss.jpg
here you go you can use this one

Ok, why is Ted in the picture!