Part 4: Spoilers & Screencap Analysis ONLY *SPOILERS* Bachelorette 4 - DeAnna

[Capegal]

I am sure that was filmed priot to him taking the walk............

[sunraygurl]

HI, I'm a lurker who had a theory about the limos, so I registered since I just had to throw this out there. Sorry if this was already mentioned, but I've been trying to keep up and in my efforts I hadn't seen this out there yet.

It's been shown there are pics with different color flowers, one with the white ones and others with the pink ones, which would mean there have been 2 different sets of shots with DeAnna and the guys. What if the one limo of Jesse's,the one with the two metallic stripes, was used during one set of shots with DeAnna, and then for the FRC, he actually used the limo like Jason's? That could explain why people have seen Jesse in the limo pic where DeAnna is closing the door. What do you think?

[BachelorOCD]

I have been studying the screencaps all morning and i think i might be seeing a different kind of proof that De actually does choose Jason.

1. For the theory to work, we must assume that a different limo takes Jesse home. Cupcakes has some great evidence working there.

2. In one screencap, Jason arrives and they share a passionate kiss. We know he is just arriving because he comes from afar and they both have to stretch out to greet each other. He is on the right. We know the picture isn't flipped because of where her hair is parted. She has her left hand in a fist, fingers flat, much as you would if you were holding something small in your hand, but not as you would hold your hand if you were getting ready to punch something (fingers curled).

3. Then, in the screencap on the top of page 20, Jason's face is to the water; hers is looking off the platform toward the entrance. Meaning, they have made a 90 degree turn by now. He is pushing her gently to walk backward, with his hand down on her hip. He's getting her into position to make a proposal. He has to work at this, and she is going along. Four thoughts here -
a) the producers, knowing who DeAnna is going to pick, have probably told Jason, "if you're going to propose, you need to be on her left so the camera can see you put the ring on her hand. Jesse was apparently not given this same counsel, because he stays on the right during the proposal, and it appears from her hair and white hair clip that this has not been flipped.
b) if Jason is sensing any bad news from DeAnna, he's not going to re-position her so her left hand is to the camera when he proposes, but he is re-positioning her, so he's feeling a good vibe,
c) By the time Jason is turning DeAnna, we can assume some time has gone by since the initial kiss, and it's in that time that she gave him the right vibe. Specifically, i agree with another poster that the big clue she gave him that it was OK to propose was asking him to put the necklace on her. We see in the full establishing shot she is wearing only earrings and a deep v-neck, strapless dress. Her neck is very bare, and usually when you go without a necklace with a gown, you wear a bracelet. She wears neither. She might have even chosen the dress because it perfectly shows off a necklace. Blowing up the turn shot, where you can see her neck, it's not conclusive (we need an HD screencap), but it does appear she's now wearing a necklace - there's a very distinct shadow with something hanging, like a heart or sand dollar pendant.

4. In the next shot, when Jason goes down on one knee, she is fully turned 180 degrees from the initial kiss. We know the picture isn't flipped because of the part in her hair. Her two hands are now holding Jason's - she no longer has anything in her hand, and she's leaning in to what he's about to do. She's allowed Jason, or helped him, put her in the right place for the cameras. She didn't allow this for Jesse.

5. Then there is a shot where they are kissing, Jason still on the left. This is the infamous shot where the rose and ring appear to have been blurred out. This kiss must be after the proposal, because the photo is not flipped - her hair is properly parted. So, in sequence, they kiss to greet (he's on the right), he turns her, he's finally on the left, he goes down on one knee, he stands up, and they kiss again, and he's still on the left. If she rejected him, she wouldn't be kissing him after the fact.

6. When Jason gives her that final kiss, there are pink flowers behind them. There are no pink flowers on the platform. The only other time you can find pink flowers is in Jesse's "welcome" kiss. But if you look at that Jesse welcome picture carefully, they are not standing on the ceremony platform. They are in the grass, and they are closer to the water. So, if you think of it differently, the pink flowers explain both couples leaving the platform and walking somewhere else, and to me, that helps me see that the kiss to Jesse is actually a goodbye kiss. They're standing in the grass, he doesn't go for her lips, she looks over at him to make sure he's OK (but she's not going in for a kiss as we assumed) But Jason's kiss, after the ceremony, still has passion, and they have blurred out the ring and the rose.

7. No matter what the explanation is for the pink flowers and the blurring is, one thing is clear, which makes it all conclusive (to me, anyway): De and Jason share two longer, lip-locked, passionate kisses at the final ceremony. Even if Jesse and De had a better kiss that was edited out - his actual greeting kiss, for example - it is hard to explain how there could be two DeJay passionate kisses in one ceremony if she was letting him go. You don't keep kissing the guy who's leaving, once facing one way, and once facing another way.

I'm new at this - so bear with me!

[jpchick]

I heard the numbers don't work anymore because too many people were using it to find out F1.

I can believe that... and it could also be an editing issue as well. I checked the Dancing With the Stars pictures, and there are large gaps in their file numbers too. There are also file numbers that don't fit the sequence of the order the pictures would have been taken, so the files may be renumbered after they are edited.

[missy1234]

The pictures of him holding the rose are from the F3 elimination.. not F1/F2. Different ceremonies all together.

Thank you. That was so obvious that I knew there was SOMETHING I was missing.

[StotheE]

OK, here's how I'm guessing this all plays out....

DeAnna arrives at FRC, they do a photo shoot (and maybe a CH interview/chat) before the guys show up. We know this because there are pictures of her at the FRC in different poses (like the one of her holding the rose). This would likely be done before the RC and probably would have taken awhile....

I checked the distance between the FRC location and the Westin, its only a couple of miles (3 or 4) probably no more then a 10min drive. So when they are just about done with the photo shoot/chat they send the same limo D arrives in back to the hotel to pick up Mr. F2.

Meanwhile somewhere in the Grand Bahamas (probably just down the road) there is a limo with a therapist inside it....

Mr. F2 shows up and it doesn't look good for him. He walks to the podium and D greets him....CUT! Something looks off in the shot soooo they drag a large pot of pink flowers into view. Mr. F2 backs up 10 feet and they shoot the greeting again (after all its just F2 who cares if the moment is ruined).

Of course as all this is going on the limo that dropped off F2 leaves to go get Mr. F1 and the limo with said therapist pulls into place so that D can escort the bitter Mr. F2 to his new ride (this accounts for the differences in the SC's of the FRC limos) he sits in disbelief twirling the rejected ring around on his finger.

After the F2 limo pulls out our F1 shows up. Here's where it gets interesting.....TPTB believe it or not want this moment to be perfect and so they will let the scene play out while the cameras roll and if anything goes wrong they will reshoot after. They have to put the pink flowers away for now (they can't have pink flowers in the shot when F1 arrives because everything has to be the same as F2 arrival) and everything goes smoothly. But wait now they don't have any shots of the pink flowers with F1 and those amazing sluthers over at FORT will notice this for sure! So they bring the flowers back again and film a few minutes of the happy couple pretending that Mr. F1 just got there (and of course she would be asked to take her ring off for this).

So what do you think?

[heyyitsmesusan]

I have been studying the screencaps all morning and i think i might be seeing a different kind of proof that De actually does choose Jason.

1. For the theory to work, we must assume that a different limo takes Jesse home. Cupcakes has some great evidence working there.

2. In one screencap, Jason arrives and they share a passionate kiss. We know he is just arriving because he comes from afar and they both have to stretch out to greet each other. He is on the right. We know the picture isn't flipped because of where her hair is parted. She has her left hand in a fist, fingers flat, much as you would if you were holding something small in your hand, but not as you would hold your hand if you were getting ready to punch something (fingers curled).

3. Then, in the screencap on the top of page 20, Jason's face is to the water; hers is looking off the platform toward the entrance. Meaning, they have made a 90 degree turn by now. He is pushing her gently to walk backward, with his hand down on her hip. He's getting her into position to make a proposal. He has to work at this, and she is going along. Four thoughts here -
a) the producers, knowing who DeAnna is going to pick, have probably told Jason, "if you're going to propose, you need to be on her left so the camera can see you put the ring on her hand. Jesse was apparently not given this same counsel, because he stays on the right during the proposal, and it appears from her hair and white hair clip that this has not been flipped.
b) if Jason is sensing any bad news from DeAnna, he's not going to re-position her so her left hand is to the camera when he proposes, but he is re-positioning her, so he's feeling a good vibe,
c) By the time Jason is turning DeAnna, we can assume some time has gone by since the initial kiss, and it's in that time that she gave him the right vibe. Specifically, i agree with another poster that the big clue she gave him that it was OK to propose was asking him to put the necklace on her. We see in the full establishing shot she is wearing only earrings and a deep v-neck, strapless dress. Her neck is very bare, and usually when you go without a necklace with a gown, you wear a bracelet. She wears neither. She might have even chosen the dress because it perfectly shows off a necklace. Blowing up the turn shot, where you can see her neck, it's not conclusive (we need an HD screencap), but it does appear she's now wearing a necklace - there's a very distinct shadow with something hanging, like a heart or sand dollar pendant.

4. In the next shot, when Jason goes down on one knee, she is fully turned 180 degrees from the initial kiss. We know the picture isn't flipped because of the part in her hair. Her two hands are now holding Jason's - she no longer has anything in her hand, and she's leaning in to what he's about to do. She's allowed Jason, or helped him, put her in the right place for the cameras. She didn't allow this for Jesse.

5. Then there is a shot where they are kissing, Jason still on the left. This is the infamous shot where the rose and ring appear to have been blurred out. This kiss must be after the proposal, because the photo is not flipped - her hair is properly parted. So, in sequence, they kiss to greet (he's on the right), he turns her, he's finally on the left, he goes down on one knee, he stands up, and they kiss again, and he's still on the left. If she rejected him, she wouldn't be kissing him after the fact.

6. When Jason gives her that final kiss, there are pink flowers behind them. There are no pink flowers on the platform. The only other time you can find pink flowers is in Jesse's "welcome" kiss. But if you look at that Jesse welcome picture carefully, they are not standing on the ceremony platform. They are in the grass, and they are closer to the water. So, if you think of it differently, the pink flowers explain both couples leaving the platform and walking somewhere else, and to me, that helps me see that the kiss to Jesse is actually a goodbye kiss. They're standing in the grass, he doesn't go for her lips, she looks over at him to make sure he's OK (but she's not going in for a kiss as we assumed) But Jason's kiss, after the ceremony, still has passion, and they have blurred out the ring and the rose.

7. No matter what the explanation is for the pink flowers and the blurring is, one thing is clear, which makes it all conclusive (to me, anyway): De and Jason share two longer, lip-locked, passionate kisses at the final ceremony. Even if Jesse and De had a better kiss that was edited out - his actual greeting kiss, for example - it is hard to explain how there could be two DeJay passionate kisses in one ceremony if she was letting him go. You don't keep kissing the guy who's leaving, once facing one way, and once facing another way.

I'm new at this - so bear with me!

Wow, very good post! Thanks for doing that! I completely agree with you!

[Tickety]

I have been studying the screencaps all morning and i think i might be seeing a different kind of proof that De actually does choose Jason.

1. For the theory to work, we must assume that a different limo takes Jesse home. Cupcakes has some great evidence working there.

2. In one screencap, Jason arrives and they share a passionate kiss. We know he is just arriving because he comes from afar and they both have to stretch out to greet each other. He is on the right. We know the picture isn't flipped because of where her hair is parted. She has her left hand in a fist, fingers flat, much as you would if you were holding something small in your hand, but not as you would hold your hand if you were getting ready to punch something (fingers curled).



3. Then, in the screencap on the top of page 20, Jason's face is to the water; hers is looking off the platform toward the entrance. Meaning, they have made a 90 degree turn by now. He is pushing her gently to walk backward, with his hand down on her hip. He's getting her into position to make a proposal. He has to work at this, and she is going along.



Four thoughts here -
a) the producers, knowing who DeAnna is going to pick, have probably told Jason, "if you're going to propose, you need to be on her left so the camera can see you put the ring on her hand. Jesse was apparently not given this same counsel, because he stays on the right during the proposal, and it appears from her hair and white hair clip that this has not been flipped.
b) if Jason is sensing any bad news from DeAnna, he's not going to re-position her so her left hand is to the camera when he proposes, but he is re-positioning her, so he's feeling a good vibe,
c) By the time Jason is turning DeAnna, we can assume some time has gone by since the initial kiss, and it's in that time that she gave him the right vibe. Specifically, i agree with another poster that the big clue she gave him that it was OK to propose was asking him to put the necklace on her. We see in the full establishing shot she is wearing only earrings and a deep v-neck, strapless dress. Her neck is very bare, and usually when you go without a necklace with a gown, you wear a bracelet. She wears neither. She might have even chosen the dress because it perfectly shows off a necklace. Blowing up the turn shot, where you can see her neck, it's not conclusive (we need an HD screencap), but it does appear she's now wearing a necklace - there's a very distinct shadow with something hanging, like a heart or sand dollar pendant.

4. In the next shot, when Jason goes down on one knee, she is fully turned 180 degrees from the initial kiss. We know the picture isn't flipped because of the part in her hair. Her two hands are now holding Jason's - she no longer has anything in her hand, and she's leaning in to what he's about to do. She's allowed Jason, or helped him, put her in the right place for the cameras. She didn't allow this for Jesse.



5. Then there is a shot where they are kissing, Jason still on the left. This is the infamous shot where the rose and ring appear to have been blurred out. This kiss must be after the proposal, because the photo is not flipped - her hair is properly parted. So, in sequence, they kiss to greet (he's on the right), he turns her, he's finally on the left, he goes down on one knee, he stands up, and they kiss again, and he's still on the left. If she rejected him, she wouldn't be kissing him after the fact.



6. When Jason gives her that final kiss, there are pink flowers behind them. There are no pink flowers on the platform. The only other time you can find pink flowers is in Jesse's "welcome" kiss. Here, below:



But if you look at that Jesse welcome picture carefully, they are not standing on the ceremony platform. They are in the grass, and they are closer to the water. So, if you think of it differently, the pink flowers explain both couples leaving the platform and walking somewhere else, and to me, that helps me see that the kiss to Jesse is actually a goodbye kiss. They're standing in the grass, he doesn't go for her lips, she looks over at him to make sure he's OK (but she's not going in for a kiss as we assumed) But Jason's kiss, after the ceremony, still has passion, and they have blurred out the ring and the rose.

7. No matter what the explanation is for the pink flowers and the blurring is, one thing is clear, which makes it all conclusive (to me, anyway): De and Jason share two longer, lip-locked, passionate kisses at the final ceremony. Even if Jesse and De had a better kiss that was edited out - his actual greeting kiss, for example - it is hard to explain how there could be two DeJay passionate kisses in one ceremony if she was letting him go. You don't keep kissing the guy who's leaving, once facing one way, and once facing another way.

I'm new at this - so bear with me!

I edited this and added the pictures.

I am completely sold on this explanation. Jesse is in the grass, not on the podium as you said. Jason is F1! GREAT JOB BachelorOCD!!!

[rvon]

I don't get it. Why is everyone still dissecting SCs, etc., when we have been told by extremely reliable sources that Jesse is F1? If you don't believe me, read Jammie's first post in the Aftermath thread.

I don't mean to come across bitchy, but it's a done deal. Jason is F2 and Jesse is F1.

[amberpie]

First time to post, has anyone noticed when watching the video on abc.com "is she making a mistake?" showing Jeremy's back wearing a white shirt walking at night and then knocking on her door telling her "I have to talk to you" then you hear another voice saying "you're making a big mistake" - these seem to be two different voices, the first sounds like Jeremy saying I have to talk to you and the second voice saying "you're making a big mistake" sounds like Jason. Could this be him saying it when she turns him down in FRC?