Thoughts and Comments in General #3 **Spoilers** Bachelorette 4

[Cailg]

Originally Posted by beachdweller2be

I believe it means he is willing to say yes to anything she wants to keep the peace.

Yup, that is how I interpreted it as well.

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[althea3333]

Originally Posted by bandmfan

I saw the SC's of De on the beach (just posted in the last day or two and I don't know how to post them here to put in this message...) - please someone tell me that those aren't Jesse's sunglasses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I noticed that too, they sure look similar....

[jr956678]

Originally Posted by Spartangirl

No matter what, I don't see a lasting relationship out of this season. No matter which guy she chooses for the final rose. With Jesse, I see conflict because of the girlfriend/endorsements that Deanna would have a very hard time getting past. And with Jason I see her at most trying it for a while but ultimately being unhappy because there isn't enough excitement for her there.

Spartangirl I hope you're wrong - I'd love to see a lasting relationship. Truth is none of us know. I agree I have a hard time seeing it with Jesse - in addition to the GF issue (which will IMHO hurt Dee when she finds out about it) they seem to be more like ships crossing in the night - at least in terms of where they are in their lives. Dee seems to want marriage, family, love, and children and I just don't see Jesse ready for this NOW while Dee is on a timeline for it now.

If she really DOES want marriage, family, love and children then her best chance of that is with Jason. But I also think SHE has to grow up and out of some past behaviors.

There's a Clay Walker song "Before She Was Mama" that rather humorously describes the children of a wild-child mother discovering that past captured in pictures found in their attic. Dee needs to leave that side of her past in the attic if she is going to get and keep what she says wants.

[Cailg]

Originally Posted by Spartangirl

After reading the interviews by Graham and Twilley (although you have to read a bit between the lines because you know they are coached about what they can and can't say) I think that Graham did choose to leave. The show doesn't want that to be shown so he has to say it was her choice or that it was mutual. There are a few lines that indicate that he did decide to leave though because he wasn't ready for a proposal and that is clearly what Deanna wants. Twilley feels that Jesse is one she is more taken with than Jason and he may be right. But Graham feels that Jason would be better for her. That doesn't mean that Deanna feels that way, however. For those of us who haven't seen much in the romantic way with Deanna for Jason, that makes sense. Jason would probably be a better match for her than Graham or Jesse, but Deanna is drawn more to them than to Jason. It seems that Graham knows Jason would be a better choice but it isn't clear that Deanna sees that. If she isn't feeling it for Jason, I don't know that she will in time for it to work out.

There is more to all of these people than we get to see on TV. I do think that Deanna is not as sophisticated as Jeremy for sure and probably as Jason. She seems a bit more of an adrenaline junkie than either of them as well. It could still work for her with someone who is calmer. It would help to round her out a bit, but we don't always choose to do what is good for us and I question whether Deanna is interested in rounding herself out. She wants marriage and family but I'm not sure she wants calm. She seems to like fireworks and passion an awful lot. Jason seems like a great guy but I don't see fireworks or passion between him and Deanna. I see comfort and friendship. I think they have very different worldviews and she actually has more in common with Jesse than it first appears.

No matter what, I don't see a lasting relationship out of this season. No matter which guy she chooses for the final rose. With Jesse, I see conflict because of the girlfriend/endorsements that Deanna would have a very hard time getting past. And with Jason I see her at most trying it for a while but ultimately being unhappy because there isn't enough excitement for her there. We will have to watch and see but I think once Graham left that the show was essentially over and whatever happens next is just fulfilling the contract.

Your post hit my concerns right on the head. I fear that De needed to have that happy ever after ending after Brad's rejection at their FRC, and whether it is to fufill a contract or just how she feels subconsciously, I am worried that the fairytale ending will ultimately not be real.

[ButterflyFaery]

Originally Posted by Cailg

Your post hit my concerns right on the head. I fear that De needed to have that happy ever after ending after Brad's rejection at their FRC, and whether it is to fufill a contract or just how she feels subconsciously, I am worried that the fairytale ending will ultimately not be real.

Well I seriously doubt ABC will ever allow anyone to have what I call the "Brad Clause" --"the right to choose no one" which IMO means she HAD to make a choice....As for falling in love...I think the best chance of that was with Graham...but it wasn't meant to be and I don't think it would have been a good or healthy relationship for either of them....

I really believe that she WANTED to fall in love with Jeremy...still say the song "you can lead a heart to love but you can't make it fall" is the best way to describe what she feels for him...I even think she tried to talk herself into it...but IMO Jeremy was supposed to leave at F4, not Graham....

Jesse---this is the weirdest thing of all...I think Dee KNOWS about the product stuff he was advertising and I think she may have even known about the g/f..I see nothing with these two but 2 "buddies" hanging out and having a great time..I even wonder if she took him to F2 to help him out

Jason---I see something with her and Jason but I don't know for sure what it is...I see some tenderness and caring..and IMO I think she fell "IN LOVE" with Ty and Jason's family more than with Jason himself...now I have "heard" from what I consider to be a very reliable source that ABC had to MAKE her contact him several weeks after the filming was done because she didn't want to follow through with what was going on....

BUT IF ABC MADE her pick someone and she did pick Jason then decided not to have any other contact with him...I see this a + for her because that tells me that she didn't want to involve Ty in a situation that would not be good for him...

now Dee is not some mousy thing that will keep her mouth shut forever....neither is Ron...lol...GO RON!!! and I really and truly believe this will be ONE season where the TRUTH will be known to all sooner or later...I think it will all come out eventually. I think they (ABC) should have played it as her telling BOTH the F2's that she came into this looking for love and she did find it....but it wouldn't work out and she left broken hearted again....they would have gotten much more out this season IF they had played it that way than the way they are playing it

[Popeyesgal]

Maybe Jesse gives her the sunglasses as a gift?

[chrisg]

Originally Posted by ButterflyFaery

IMO..I see that more with Jeremy than with Jason....Jason reminds me of the type of person that can put you in "your place" with a smile on his face and not raise his voice and not say one dirty word and ends up making you feel 2 inches tall...lol

ITA. Jeremy appears to be worshipping at the feet of DeAnna while Jason seems to be a nurturing guy but a strong one.

And who better to create a faux fairy tale with than Jeremy? He seems to already have the fable spinning in his own mind--they rescue each other after the loss of their respective mothers.

Why drag Jason and his son into a fake fairy tale? B/c his son makes great tv? Right. I'm sure DeAnna would be a willing participant in that con--scamming a three year old. And it is obvious she wants to have children but why take on step-parenting when she could just start cranking out the kids with Jer and not deal with the obvious hassles potentially invovled with moving further away from her family and taking on the role of stepmom?

So I'd love to hear the logic behind Jason over Jeremy if all of this is indeed 'fake' at this point because DeAnna's heart cannot go on without that great catch, Graham.

And the obvious easy out to fulfill her contract obligations and just choose anyone as F1 if Jesse. Jesse SCREAMS EZ dump. And he already has another girlfriend so, hey, no one gets hurt all the way around and the contract is fulfilled. Why not that route?

Both of these avenues are much logically sounder fits for the faux fairy tale and contract obligation routes. Why not them?

[LadyTchr00]

I, for one, truly hope that after this season, ABC will not involve another parent/child situation. Not because I see anything wrong in a divorced person seeking happiness (none at all since I am one); however, I do see personally problems with the fact that IF she does choose Jason, and it does NOT last (as I honestly believe will be the case), then we have really been pulled into a no win situation. I truly hate to see Jason hurt because I believe he wants to be settled down with someone who can love him and his son. That takes a special woman. Deanna is simply, imo, not realistic in her life choices or expectations. I still remember her "I want 3 kids before I'm 30" statement. What about the man she married? What would he want? What about time together as a couple? Would that not be imortant? Deanna simply wants that dream too desperately to seriously consider what she's doing at this point.

Another point I just would like to make is that it always bugs me that these people (men/women) are usually SO good looking and SO accomplished, yet here they are on national TV trying to get a hook up? What is wrong with that picture? Is dating that hard these days? While I will give a select few the benefit of the doubt in what they want/desire from this show, I honestly believe for too many the final product of "being seen/heard" is an ultimate goal. The pictures released from the party where bachelors from this show and bachelorettes from Matt's show show young people who got noticed and will continue to be noticed because of their "experience." Some, like Jeremy or Jason, deserve more than their 5 minutes of fame on TV. Again, JMO :>)

[MiGirl374]

Interesting (yet painful) theory.... she was rejected in front of all of America when she was on Brad's season. How sad would it be if she has her own season and doesn't find anyone? Maybe some of you are right. Maybe she didn't see "forever" with any of them but doesn't want to go home empty-handed so she settled for the best fit she felt she had with those who were there. For her sake as well as the F1, I certainly hope that isn't the case, but it does make me wonder. Mostly because I still do not see romance between Jason and DeAnna and definitely not between Jesse and DeAnna.

If that truly is the case, I'm glad she didn't choose Jeremy in the end. Sure, this hurts him but not as much as it would down the road after the show is over.

I don't know. Fleiss really has messed with my head this season so I don't know what to believe anymore!

[atem]

DeAnna asked Jason how many kids he wanted.

Fred and Richard would also be on the list of those being there for the right reasons.

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I totally see the romance between Jason and DeAnna.