Thoughts and Comments in General #3 **Spoilers** Bachelorette 4

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by aanjheni

I have reliable info from an insider that said that De did know about the endorsements (as did TPTB) but all were ok with it.

Does your inside info indicate that she knew about the girlfriend? If so, was she ok with the girlfriend? Does your insider indicate that the decision she made was made regardless of the knowledge of endorsements and girlfriend?
To me that is a very important distinction in how she views Jesse.

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[procheervet]

I think Fleiss may want to reevalute his crew if his intent was a believable fairy tale ending - the edit has left far too much doubt and I am not just talking about Graham. Deanna's words about Graham were far too strong and decisive, Jeremy is getting the typical F2 edit yet he leaves at F3, Jesse is unbelievable as an F1 yet he is F2, Jason's real world has so many issues problematic to a new relationship, this whole season is either really off or it has been extremely poorly edited.

[procheervet]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

Does your inside info indicate that she knew about the girlfriend? If so, was she ok with the girlfriend? Does your insider indicate that the decision she made was made regardless of the knowledge of endorsements and girlfriend?
To me that is a very important distinction in how she views Jesse.

IMO if De chooses Jesse it is because she did not find what she was looking and he is her safe way out. No harm done. It can be edited that he was the hidden edit, he comes on strong in the end, and his fun factor makes him "the one". He is certainly an atypical F2, Jeremy was more suited to be in the final 2 as someone with strong feeling for Deanna. This season is just weird.

[gurlbrit]

Originally Posted by Calypso

I don't think DeAnna has unresolved feelings anymore...and I think she is on her way to a healthy relationship. All references to Brad (and Graham) are gone for good from this point forward.

I'm going to take a bet on whether Brad never gets brought up again in the last two/three shows or not. You on?????

[procheervet]

Originally Posted by gurlbrit

I'm going to take a bet on whether Brad never gets brought up again in the last two/three shows or not. You on?????

I doubt we have heard the last of either of those names........JMO

[northernviewer]

Originally Posted by procheervet

IMO if De chooses Jesse it is because she did not find what she was looking and he is her safe way out. No harm done. It can be edited that he was the hidden edit, he comes on strong in the end, and his fun factor makes him "the one". He is certainly an atypical F2, Jeremy was more suited to be in the final 2 as someone with strong feeling for Deanna. This season is just weird.

I agree - Jesse making it to F2 is the most unbelievable part of the whole show. Graham leaving at F4 and Jeremy at F3 is shocking but Jesse still being there, actually making it past the meet and greet, is totally mind boggling IMO. IF, and that's a mighty big IF, Deanna actually chooses Jesse - after I finish - I'll have to come to the conclusion that I've totally read Deanna wrong and will offer a mighty big apology to Brad, for all the things I've said (just want to clarify that Brad is still my favorite Bach, but thought he was a jerk at the FRC )

[gurlbrit]

Originally Posted by northernviewer

I agree - Jesse making it to F2 is the most unbelievable part of the whole show. Graham leaving at F4 and Jeremy at F3 is shocking but Jesse still being there, actually making it past the meet and greet, is totally mind boggling IMO. IF, and that's a mighty big IF, Deanna actually chooses Jesse - after I finish - I'll have to come to the conclusion that I've totally read Deanna wrong and will offer a mighty big apology to Brad, for all the things I've said (just want to clarify that Brad is still my favorite Bach, but thought he was a jerk at the FRC )

I will freely admit that I was shocked at Brad's FRC. However, in hindsight, Brad's decision was totally right for Brad.

One of the things that Deanna has said this season is that she has to get away from picking the same type of guy she usually picks (Brad); so picking Jesse would certainly break that mold. Whether she picks Jesse (which according to Cape and her SC, she does not) or Jason, which is the general consensus, and it lasts is another thing.

Someone posted upthread or in another thread, that Deanna maybe thumbing her nose at Brad (paraphrase) in the dogged method in which is she making sure she has an F1. Maybe so, maybe not. Only Deanna and her F1 really know in totality what is going on, anything else is only guesswork on our part.

[dodie430]

Originally Posted by Shannonm93

I agree thethreej's, but particularly with the part I have bolded to which I'd also like to add something. I don't believe for one second she would have ever chosen Jesse over Jason. All that she is looking for in a serious, permanent, committed relationship isn't there with Jesse and it is with Jason. I know the last thing De would want to do is to pull a B.ad, but if everything we are hearing about Jesse is true and I believe it to be exactly that (per Twilley ... 'the most hated man in the house', the endorsements, the ex-g/f, the break-up with her via text message, etc ...) then I have to believe that De would choose no one rather than lead Jason (and Ty) on. De said it herself on the DTA ... 'I don't want to break Jason's heart, let alone his son's heart' (which is what all of us Jason fans have been pretty much saying all along as to why there is no way in hades that this man is a default F1) and to me that says all we need to know and completely proves that there is absolutely no way that Jason is De's default F1.

First and foremost I'm a Jason fan

But if I take the whole G/F issue and my own feelings and biases about it completely out of the mix - because for all intents and purposes De apparently didn't find it out until late in the process - here are my thoughts:


1) After listening to Twilley's interview with regards to De's connection with Jesse, and that he believed De and Jesse were right up there with De and Graham, it gives me pause. I like Twilley and think he's being genuine in his assessment. I don't think he's regurgitating what TPTB have fed him, I think he really and truly feels that De and Jesse have a strong enough connection that she may choose him as F1. I don't find Twilley "dim", quite the opposite actually, I think he took a read on the situation and is calling it as he sees it. We of course have been shown something quite a bit different, and yet still there if you look closely. And remember - the connection wasn't "highlighted" because we all know how that ends [and so does the edit]. And while I know that it is still merely "his opinion", I think I trust Twilley's observations as a first hand witness before I'd trust an edit, especially given that the editors know how "it all went down". I think we're only seeing half the story - nothing new there though.


2) After reading Graham's conference call transcript, where he says "I don't think you're missing anything in the edit of Jesse. I do think you're missing something in the edit of DeAnna." ... I'm not so sure that he was talking about Deanna's personality or her actions, and I'm wondering if [in the context it was said] that we are missing what may have been more obvious to those actually present [including Graham]. I think we've been shown that there is a genuine interest there on her part, but what haven't we been shown? I have to wonder if half the reason some of us are left with the "Jesse? What the heck? What does she see in this guy?" thoughts, when she chooses him [i.e. I thought his song sucked... well sucked worse than some of the others sucked....lol].... anyway, I wonder if we're left with that impression because something has been left out [of course purposely because of how it all went down].


3) Personally, in the last episode I was shown a little bit of why De may have actually had a connection and feelings for Jesse, and believe me - I couldn't stand the boy in the beginning. I'm not "over the moon" about him now, and I would still ask myself what she sees in him, but I do now see the "possibility that is Jesse".


4) De has stated that she fell for someone who "wasn't her type" and that letting Jesse go "hurt her the most". I know some people say that she's simply towing the party line of letting go of an F2. But if what she said were not the case - and just a prefab F2 comment - I think she still could have answered that question differently without crossing "party lines". She could have said "Graham" - we witnessed that it was painful for her. It would have been believable, but I think would undermine the happy ending. She could have said "Jeremy, because I do care about him and it hurt me to know that he was so deeply wounded". Anyway, my point is that there are any number of scenarios that could have been presented that would have been believable and plausible if it was just "lip sync". I think she is telling the truth here, and it has to do with her feelings, not just that she felt betrayed by the G/F issue.


Now....lol.... this does not mean that I believe that she would have chosen Jesse over Jason if not for the G/F controversy. However I do think there is a reason he is in the F2 - and I think that's because he stood a chance.



ETA: And no I haven't jumped ship....lol

[procheervet]

Originally Posted by northernviewer

I agree - Jesse making it to F2 is the most unbelievable part of the whole show. Graham leaving at F4 and Jeremy at F3 is shocking but Jesse still being there, actually making it past the meet and greet, is totally mind boggling IMO. IF, and that's a mighty big IF, Deanna actually chooses Jesse - after I finish - I'll have to come to the conclusion that I've totally read Deanna wrong and will offer a mighty big apology to Brad, for all the things I've said (just want to clarify that Brad is still my favorite Bach, but thought he was a jerk at the FRC )

Not sure I would think less of Deanna if she chose Jesse. I really don't think it is a viable option to chose no one for her because of all the hype surrounding Brad's season. And I don't think she should choose Jason just because she has to choose someone. I personally do not see the whole "love story" unfolding before me that others are so convinced of and I think if the options are - choose Jason because he is a media favorite or choose Jesse because, if she has to chose someone it is not quite so heartbreaking a month from now to call it quits, I choose Jesse, have a little fun, and move on with my life.

[aanjheni]

Originally Posted by shoepie

I believe you and your source. Promoting oneself or products and falling in love are not mutually exclusive. Most, not all, reality contestants have self promotion as an agenda. Deanna probably gets this because she is hoping for a career change or boost too. Sure she wants love but who would refuse a nifty job on some cable show?

Exactly. Almost every person that has done this show as had more reasons than just "looking for love". No harm, no foul. I say if they are going to be away from their jobs, family, friends, and support systems for 6 weeks, they should be able to have opportunities arise from being on the show if they want them.