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Old 06-27-2008, 01:37 AM   #161
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i think jason and d relationship will last because
1. Jason, he more likely has hard time finding his next wife because he got a kid and he needs mother for his kind to
2. she looking for a man who is willing to get married and have kind with as soon as they can, in other words she looking for a man to trap
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:38 AM   #162
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I think the guys this season really respected eachother's privacy. The guys could have easily told her about Jason's son, but they all respected the fact that it was Jason who needed to tell her. Even though it was a shady thing for Jesse to do, I think the guys felt it should come from Jesse not them. I have to say, she really had a great group of guys, except that sleezy guy that wanted Jenni to sit on his lap.
I don't put them in the same category at all. Jason told DeAnna, while Jessee lied.
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:39 AM   #163
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Again, this is not real life but I think it is the story we are being told. We are seeing the pinnacle of her difficulty now and we will see her "redemption" and success on the remaining dates. When we come back to pseudo real life at the ATFR, who knows what we will find

This is a story taken from real events and real people, but the pieces are rearranged as needed. No matter how the story is told, it is not non-fiction. Even the aftermath of many of these stories is fiction for awhile. Story by illusion.
Great post jelle! Wonder if all of these comparisons to Trista are intimidating to DeAnna? That's some BIG bachelorette shoes to fill. Can't wait to see how it all turns out.
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:39 AM   #164
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But the fact it was discussed shows thier deep commitment to one another and trying to explore a very serious subject..marriage...

Do two people discuss marriage that are not serious with one another?Absolutely NOT...

Yes he left..but that does not mean that they did not both care deeply for one another and that unfortunately the shows format was not right for them...
But did he not say THE BEST thing was when they weren't talking marriage and future, but just chilling? Doesn't sound to me like a discussion he wanted to have.

And by the sounds of his CC, it seemed like she did more talking about it than he did. I don't see Graham sitting down and "discussing" marriage and children with someone he admittedly said he didn't think he would have ever fallen in love with. But he might have listened....

Not saying it didn't come up - of course it did - that's what she's here for. I just don't see it as an intimate case-in-point that they wanted to spend the rest of their lives together, and I'd be willing to bet that she's discussed marriage with more than just Graham. That would make her as equally serious about her intentions with them, no?
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:43 AM   #165
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Are there a lot of people here who are still in love with their high school boyfriends who treated them like crap? Just wondering.
Oh YES !!!!!
Almost 40 years later, each married, with kids and grandkids, and full lives - that first real almost permanent love remains special.

He holds a chunk of the heart forever

Everybody in high school treats someone like crap It is a law or something
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well, rumours are that Dee picks Jason.

Anyone know if they're still together?
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Yeah I believe that the more time that she and I spent together the further along in the process of getting to know each other and the way we reacted to different circumstances and situations. Of course the better you get to know someone the easier it is to open up. We were moving along in that direction, it just wasn't at the speed that we both agreed upon. But definitely the longer you get to know someone the natural evolution of a relationship - yes I believe I would have opened up and she would have opened up more with each passing day.
I think the time of the process was the problem here, DeAnna on run and Graham on nice and slow.
Quoting only the bit about timing for these two.

Opening up as you get to know someone and feel comfortable in their presence is a natural process, as Graham inferred. But opening up, and falling in love are two different things in my opinion. And if you give credence to his opinion that given enough time he may have opened up to her, then must we not also give the same consideration to his opinion that he would not have fallen in love with her?
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:49 AM   #168
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I think she wanted him to be the one but after seeing how the HTD went and if the FD or LCD had gone the same way then I don't know if she would have ended up choosing him in the end or not.

I don't think he wanted to be there in the end and I think she was slowly figuring that out. So no, I am not sure she would have ended up keeping him all the way.
Not unless she's a masochist. Or he suddenly pulled a Jekyll/Hyde.
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I don't think anyone is saying that Graham is not over Dee, heck it's been 2 months or more, but what I am saying is that, how could Dee have been over Graham in 2 weeks when she clearly stated that she was falling in love with him? That doesn't seem like a REAL expectation from anyone.......
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Wow, wonder where that light switch is located???

If her feelings about being rejected in the end were resolved (not exactly sure how far back in her history these feelings might have started, but we know that is what happened with Brad and she even talks to Graham about it on their 1/1 date that afternoon), then why the comments about being afraid that she would choose him and be standing there and he wouldn't choose her. Unresolved in my book, not understanding that she does not need a man to stand there in order to be a complete woman, that she is not defined by a relationship. That it adds to her, not completes her. This whole episode has revolved around not doing what Brad did to her. Unresolved in my opinion.
I respect your opinion and position, but using a past, extremely relevant experience in my view doesn't equate to "unresolved feelings". Knowing what you want, and in particular what you don't want [been there done that] is a sign of maturity. At least that's the way I see it. Especially when it hurts.

I'm tired of listening to Brad's name as well, so we're on the same page there. I just don't think her "feelings" are unresolved.
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