Thoughts and Comments in General #3 **Spoilers** Bachelorette 4

[Bamaguy]

Originally Posted by smilingmomof3

Hmmm, that is interesting. . . I can certainly see Jeremy wanting DeAnna to know the truth about Jesse and caring about protecting her in some way, that seems to be his nature.

I see this quality in Jeremy, too. He's a straight up guy and would want her to know. And I also think he'd be a good candidate for the next Bach.

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[rooting4love]

Originally Posted by boomer_lady

Agree. My original thought was a "secret" she had from Day 1 of the season. But apparently not. If one ties the "secret" to another comment made here (by Lynn?) it's great news but could be bad news depending on the interpretation. The only thing I can think of, is that she's pregnant (I know it's been said jokingly many times, but who knows?)

It is my understanding that the "surprise" that is coming that is bad news/good news is DIFFERENT than the "Shocking Secret" that is previewed to be shared during the MTA. I think Lynn meant there is another surprise yet to come during Dee's HTD I think.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by rooting4love

It is my understanding that the "surprise" that is coming that is bad news/good news is DIFFERENT than the "Shocking Secret" that is previewed to be shared during the MTA. I think Lynn meant there is another surprise yet to come during Dee's HTD I think.

"Shocking" is a Fleissian hype word. Since the secret is told at the MTA, I think we are getting a little more of Fleiss's carefully orchestrated timed release of pertinent (supposedly) tension building info. If I had to put down some of my hard to come by money, I would say that the secret is simply something like the fact that she is in love, she found her love, or she wants to explore the rest of her life with this person, etc.
It would be a secret because although we have heard sentiments like these ( in the preview collage?), they have been almost completely buried under the more upfront, "If I chose someone..." someone statements that have been so prevalent.

[rooting4love]

http://www.zerogloves.com/images/Photo%20Gallery/Jesse%20Pix/SIA/19.jpg

This was posted on the site on March 31, 2008 the night of the Bachelorette meet and greet.
PS. Could someone save this pic in a photo bucket site in case it goes "missing"?

I don't know why, but when I see these pics of Jesse they make me want to vomit even more than when I see him on screen. Like the real him shines through more in these photos. On TB, he does wear some weird hats and clothes, but he never looks quite like this. JMO - NOT my type at all and from an outsider's viewpoint, it doesn't seem like Dee would fit in with his "scene" at all. JMHO

[cheekychook]

Ok, I am not trying to anger anyone here, but I have a question. We all disagree on the reason why Deanna was so upset when Graham left (some think he was her true F1, some think she was upset because he mirrored past relationship failures, some think she was upset because he wouldn't try---we all see it differently) BUT WE ALL AGREE that she was emotionally quite upset when he left. That left her with 3 men. We seem to know that tonight she lets Jeremy go---knowing what we know about their relationship (regardless of whether or not you believe she is in love with him in any way, it is obvious that they became close) she will obviously be very upset by this decision as well. That will leave her with 2. Even if she is totally thinking "ok, I know what I want, and it's Jason", won't finding out that Jesse has, in effect, been lying to her all along make her question her judgment and the integrity of the guys in general? Someone discussed earlier on how the order of the HTDs could have impacted their outcome, because you have feelings that carry over from one life event to another---ie; you have a bad day at work, so you come home and snap at your husband, who in turn kicks the dog---and before all the animal rights activists yell at me, don't worry, we have cats and frogs, not dogs, and no one kicks anyone in our house---it's just an example. What I mean is, if DeAnna was trusting Jesse---not even necessarily falling for him, just trusting him---and she found out that she was THAT wrong---might that not lead her to feel that she has to question everything that she has thought to be true?? I'm not saying it is rational, or merited, and I am certainly not saying that the other guys lied to her---I'm just saying, wouldn't it be human nature, and wouldn't it be self-preservational, for her to say "whoa---what else don't I know, and what else have I been wrong about?"

[rooting4love]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

"Shocking" is a Fleissian hype word. Since the secret is told at the MTA, I think we are getting a little more of Fleiss's carefully orchestrated timed release of pertinent (supposedly) tension building info. If I had to put down some of my hard to come by money, I would say that the secret is simply something like the fact that she is in love, she found her love, or she wants to explore the rest of her life with this person, etc.
It would be a secret because although we have heard sentiments like these ( in the preview collage?), they have been almost completely buried under the more upfront, "If I chose someone..." someone statements that have been so prevalent.

Bloomers, I completely agree with you about what the shocking secret was. What I was trying to do in my post was separate that MTA shocking secret from the upcoming surprise that Lynn was talking about last night, as some posts seemed like they were confusing the two. Thanks!

[Shannonm93]

Originally Posted by rooting4love

I don't know why, but when I see these pics of Jesse they make me want to vomit even more than when I see him on screen. Like the real him shines through more in these photos. On TB, he does wear some weird hats and clothes, but he never looks quite like this. JMO - NOT my type at all and from an outsider's viewpoint, it doesn't seem like Dee would fit in with his "scene" at all. JMHO

He looks like he's trying to be a rapper ... what's up with that??

And I definetely agree with your last sentence!!

[Fair Balancer]

This reply is a little delayed but my connection to FORT dropped for a bit:
This was a quote from Bloomers (I think... lost format when connection failed):When Jesse signed the contract to appear on this show, he did so with the understanding that he would be 1 out 25 Bachelors all of whom would be dating the same Bachelorette with the goal of ending up the F1. That is the whole premise of the show, so I don't see how he couldn't know she would be dating other guys besides him. exerpt
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Sorry, I was joking there (when I questioned if anyone told Jesse that D was dating others while this show was going on... besides him. Did not mean it seriously.

Just put out another perspective on the GF back home topic, SOMETIMES there is a difference of understanding between parties as to whether dating and having fun together and going out actually means GF/BF. Some people have fun "going out" with people but don't consider it a monogamous (sp?) relationship.... while the other party doesn't see it that way. If you haven't laid out a commitment - in so many words - then you are not cheating. Of course, others may think you are and the one back home may think you are... instead you are exploring what God's laid out for you today.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by Fair Balancer

This reply is a little delayed but my connection to FORT dropped for a bit:
This was a quote from Bloomers (I think... lost format when connection failed):When Jesse signed the contract to appear on this show, he did so with the understanding that he would be 1 out 25 Bachelors all of whom would be dating the same Bachelorette with the goal of ending up the F1. That is the whole premise of the show, so I don't see how he couldn't know she would be dating other guys besides him. exerpt
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Sorry, I was joking there (when I questioned if anyone told Jesse that D was dating others while this show was going on... besides him. Did not mean it seriously.

Just put out another perspective on the GF back home topic, SOMETIMES there is a difference of understanding between parties as to whether dating and having fun together and going out actually means GF/BF. Some people have fun "going out" with people but don't consider it a monogamous (sp?) relationship.... while the other party doesn't see it that way. If you haven't laid out a commitment - in so many words - then you are not cheating. Of course, others may think you are and the one back home may think you are... instead you are exploring what God's laid out for you today.[/quote]




The girlfriend has told our poster source that he was telling her he loved her, etc., and was giving her all the indications that there was still a "go" between the two of them ( gf and Jesse). The fact that the producer coerced him into sending the break-up text is rather telling to me. If Jesse didn't think there was anything to the relationship back home, then there wouldn't have been a need for the producer to have coerced him into sending the one line break-up text message to the girlfriend.

Although the editing is trying to make Jesse look mysterious and like he is playing this challenging "hard to get" part in withholding kisses, I believe that he was doing that because of the girlfriend back home and the idea that he felt like he wouldn't continue to get roses. If he didn't kiss DeAnna and he didn't get a rose and was cut, no great harm would be done with the girlfriend back home when she saw the episodes and who afterall knew he had come on the show to push the products that she sells.
What happened, though, was that his strategy backfired in that he became more attractive to DeAnna by playing hard to get. There was no way that he could skip the kisses by the Hometown date w/o his 'manly' image suffering, so he had to go for it.

The lying about the cheating on someone falls in with this same line of though as well. He figured he wasn't ever going to make it very far, so he gave the expected answer, and then got caught in his lies. We also know that Fleiss can take something innocent and make something out of it, so when he actually gets something to work with, he has had a field's day with Jesse and this "cheating" bit with the editing.

[natashapierre]

Originally Posted by Fair Balancer

Just put out another perspective on the GF back home topic, SOMETIMES there is a difference of understanding between parties as to whether dating and having fun together and going out actually means GF/BF. Some people have fun "going out" with people but don't consider it a monogamous (sp?) relationship.... while the other party doesn't see it that way. If you haven't laid out a commitment - in so many words - then you are not cheating. Of course, others may think you are and the one back home may think you are... instead you are exploring what God's laid out for you today.

Always good to make sure that you and your dating partner have the *same* understanding, though.

The thing is, in this case, since he was going on a Bachelorette show, I would think that they inevitably would have had a conversation about what that meant and what was okay or not, in the context of their relationship. How could you avoid that conversation if you were going on this show?

And if they did have the conversation then either the back-home girlfriend has nothing to complain about because they'd hashed out their understanding beforehand or Jesse changed the rules without telling her while he was still on the show -- or he never did give a crap about De ever, all the way to the Final Two (that's my theory, actually), so he didn't actually betray his girlfriend, though he did pull kind of a mean trick on DeAnna, who was pretty clearly taking him seriously.