Thoughts and Comments in General #2 **Spoilers** Bachelorette 4

[momofc&h]

Oh what does he say, I can't find the link?

When you go to the homepage for the Bachelorette it should automatically load. It does on my computer (though I am at home). He says quite a few things, but what struck me is that he said that he 'wasn't ready with her'. It sounded like he thought she was an amazing girl, but he couldn't give her what she wanted and he hoped he hadn't hurt her too badly.

And without reading anything into what he did or didn't say and what it all means, I'm NOT getting into that discussion about what De may or may not have felt for Graham and how that effects the outcome of the show. I'm done arguing and ready to agree to disagree w/others on that.

[procheervet]

I know that some have expressed concerns over my apparent love of over-bolding...

I will say that I am actively seeking help for this matter..

I am a very passionate person. as well....I think that is why I love DEE and Graham and their relationship they have together..hard to find their kind of connection..kinda like a soul-mates....

Thank you for your patience and understanding while I work through this difficult problem

moving on....

Some of us love how bold as you are!

[BluIsDixie]

When you go to the homepage for the Bachelorette it should automatically load. It does on my computer (though I am at home). He says quite a few things, but what struck me is that he said that he 'wasn't ready with her'. It sounded like he thought she was an amazing girl, but he couldn't give her what she wanted and he hoped he hadn't hurt her too badly.

And without reading anything into what he did or didn't say and what it all means, I'm NOT getting into that discussion about what De may or may not have felt for Graham and how that effects the outcome of the show. I'm done arguing and ready to agree to disagree w/others on that.

Thanks for posting. I don't have speakers at work and at home I have dial-up

[NorthernLights]

If I may, I'd like to change the subject of Graham/Dee.
On looking back through some photos, I noted something that (to me anyways) seemed -- for lack of a better word ---- noteworthy. Maybe its been mentioned before, if so, I apologize, otherwise -- here goes.
In almost all of the 'toast' ceremonies after the roses are handed out, guess who is standing front & center, up next to dee, --- yep --- you're right if you said Jesse. He's not beside her at this last one, he's just slightly off side & in front of her -- at night one, he's right beside her to her left, and has been consistently in a front-row, or right next to her, position in so many of these pictures, that to me it's just '''wierd'''. I know he said he'd do anything to come between Jeremy & Dee - and then he seemed to switch to Jason as his target ---
I wouldn't trust this guy any further than I could throw him (which wouldn't be any distance at all!!) From the beginning he did everything he could to get her to notice him - from the weird wardrobe, to very competitive (need to win at any cost) coming right out and asking for a rose (at his 1-1 date) -- he has a game plan, and his game plan is to win. Does love enter into the equation -- well, he's going to say it does, but as I said, I don't trust anything this guy says or does. And now his latest ploy -- don't accept the fs card until he talks to her dad --- in other words, give me the rose baby, give me the rose!! Only now he can't ask for it, and he doesn't know if he stands a chance at all between Jer & Jas - because now the guys are separated, and he can't see the situation for himself. So -- play the card right -- (see Dee, how serious I am about you - I need to tell your dad just how much I care, )--- you get my meaning, I'm sure.
For Jesse fans, I apologize. Yes, I'm sure he's really a nice guy, Dee seems to think so. The next 2 episodes are going to really keep the ball rolling; doubt is going to be cast on Jason's relationship; they'll turn up the heat in the romance department between Dee & Jes, --
When all is said & done and the lights go down and the players go home, I think this series will go down as possibly the best one Fleiss & Co. have produced.

[lora724]

Just posted this in the Media Thread, but I was just on the alphabet site, and Graham's Diary of the Departed is up for those that haven't seen it. It's very interesting to hear what he has to say.

I'm not sure I'm buying all of what he says and that is not because I so am hoping for them to reconcile and it just not be that Graham isn't our guy in the end.

I'll say this, when a person is looking to the right (left-brained, creative side), it generally means they are making something up or trying to convince us they're telling the truth, when they look to the left (right-brained, logical side), they are carefully thinking about what they are going to say. He does look down a lot, which isn't either, but when he looks to the right, it is during some parts of this that he is wanting us to buy into and I'm not... Sorry.

[natashapierre]

I don't believe the mole theory either - really it's 'Much Ado About Nothing' yet again - if there is some really big secret that throws this whole season into another perspective I will eat my desk.......with ketchup!!!

I read that post over on the other board, and I think it was just a joke. ... Somebody was saying, jokingly, "Okay, here's the big *twist* of the season: Twilley was a mole! ha ha ha." It was just making fun of all the twists that are announced, predicted, and sleuthed out. It wasn't meant seriously at all.

[drparoo]

Wow, what a sweetheart! Nuff said.

Wow.....a few things.

1. He seemed well-composed. And his tearing up wasn't so much during talking about leaving Deanna as it was his general desire to fall in love someday....wistful that it didn't happen this time. He basically said he didn't fall in love with her, wasn't ready.

2. He said "I didn't do anything....it was her decision" or something like that, making it seem as if he had nothing to do with his leaving.

3. He talked about raising a "healthy" child....not just having kids....and it seems odd for a guy to say that, especially as he teared up. I'd be interested to know if there was an illness or a death of a sibling or niece/nephew at some point.

4. He is a sweetheart. I wish the limo just took him to my house.

[PrairieWillow]

He's nice. And it is clear that he was not in love with her. You just sense it was just not there.

That was a great in-limo interview. I wish that they would have shown it last Monday. It's pretty clear that he was not in love with her. He obviously had feelings but not love, and he seems regretful that he could not reciprocate and that he hurt her. I love Jason but Graham is an all around nice guy too. I wish him the very best!

[gurlbrit]

If I may, I'd like to change the subject of Graham/Dee.
On looking back through some photos, I noted something that (to me anyways) seemed -- for lack of a better word ---- noteworthy. Maybe its been mentioned before, if so, I apologize, otherwise -- here goes.
In almost all of the 'toast' ceremonies after the roses are handed out, guess who is standing front & center, up next to dee, --- yep --- you're right if you said Jesse. He's not beside her at this last one, he's just slightly off side & in front of her -- at night one, he's right beside her to her left, and has been consistently in a front-row, or right next to her, position in so many of these pictures, that to me it's just '''wierd'''. I know he said he'd do anything to come between Jeremy & Dee - and then he seemed to switch to Jason as his target ---
I wouldn't trust this guy any further than I could throw him (which wouldn't be any distance at all!!) From the beginning he did everything he could to get her to notice him - from the weird wardrobe, to very competitive (need to win at any cost) coming right out and asking for a rose (at his 1-1 date) -- he has a game plan, and his game plan is to win. Does love enter into the equation -- well, he's going to say it does, but as I said, I don't trust anything this guy says or does. And now his latest ploy -- don't accept the fs card until he talks to her dad --- in other words, give me the rose baby, give me the rose!! Only now he can't ask for it, and he doesn't know if he stands a chance at all between Jer & Jas - because now the guys are separated, and he can't see the situation for himself. So -- play the card right -- (see Dee, how serious I am about you - I need to tell your dad just how much I care, )--- you get my meaning, I'm sure.
For Jesse fans, I apologize. Yes, I'm sure he's really a nice guy, Dee seems to think so. The next 2 episodes are going to really keep the ball rolling; doubt is going to be cast on Jason's relationship; they'll turn up the heat in the romance department between Dee & Jes, --
When all is said & done and the lights go down and the players go home, I think this series will go down as possibly the best one Fleiss & Co. have produced.

NorthernLights, his "weird" clothing as you call it, is normal wear for Snowboarding types. My eldest son is a boarder (he actually snowboards, surfs and extreme skates); he loves those kinds of clothes and wouldn't be seen dead in anything more conservative. I think Jesse's discomfort at wearing the Tux for the Natasha Bedingfield concert was hilarious. I can just see my eldest being the same way.

I will continue to believe that Fleiss, bless his little cotton socks, would not have introduced an "innocent" three year old into the mix if his father weren't F1, Jesse has been added for spiced up flavor and maybe a sleeper.

I feel the hurt that Jeremy is going to feel this week, and loved his freckles (which are so darn cute).

For what its worth, I'm not sure any of them will last past the AFTR. Just my ten cents worth.

[Yosefasu]

When you go to the homepage for the Bachelorette it should automatically load. It does on my computer (though I am at home). He says quite a few things, but what struck me is that he said that he 'wasn't ready with her'. It sounded like he thought she was an amazing girl, but he couldn't give her what she wanted and he hoped he hadn't hurt her too badly.

And without reading anything into what he did or didn't say and what it all means, I'm NOT getting into that discussion about what De may or may not have felt for Graham and how that effects the outcome of the show. I'm done arguing and ready to agree to disagree w/others on that.

I was what I have been feeling for the last couple of eps. The one thing that struck me was that he said (para) that she kept the other three for a reason. I think that it was a nod to the fact that he (please forgive my metaphors here) was the wild mustang that had to be tamed but that she had 3 Thoroughbreds that would be surer bets.