Behind the Edit **SPOILERS** - Page 130

northernviewer · 07-07-2008, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bamaguy

Fallout tomorrow will prove you right. I don't expect too many good reviews on this one.

I agree, I really don't care who she picks, but I tune into the show to see a romance - the only true romance I saw all season, where it seemed to be a 2 way street with De and the guy, was with Jason and Jeremy. Graham and De was one-sided, she was more into him and Jesse got the friend edit IMO

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Alelady · 07-07-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mtusk42

I agree with you completely and holding out faith that Jason is indeed F1. If he's not, I am done with the series.There's a little saying ... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

If Jason is not F1, shame on TPTB for creating such a cruel edit for the VIEWERS/VOYEURS. I joined the vast majority of viewers who bought into their connection hook, line & sinker. We got to know Jason better than any other bachelor on the history of this show and fell in love with him right along with De. We all want to see the nice guy - with the adorable son - finally finish first.

If Jason is not F1, shame on me for even watching this crazy show and allowing myself to get vested in STRANGERS who may be going on this show for every crazy reason in the book. Anyone heard rumors about Ty getting an agent?? Does Jason actually have a book he's trying to sell?? And what about Deanna, will we next see her hosting Access Hollywood??

If Jason is F1, oh no ... I'll be hooked to watch at least a few more seasons ... (maybe I should be hoping that Jesse is F1

)

OMG! I could not have said it better myself. I agree with every word of this COMPLETELY!!!

coltinfan · 07-07-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 2observe

Plus the excitement DeAnna showed when taking Jesse on the theater date. The one that headlined "One Night Only, Just For You - LOVE DeAnna" Wow, I guess THAT said it all.

Plus the conversation that took place during the theater date helps to under DeAnna's connection with Jesse.

we must not saw the same show that night i absolutely saw no connection
what so ever with them that night.none if there was a connection he would
have at least sat next to her in limo. did you see how far apart they were
sitting and then at dinner far a part, i honestly thought she had more
spark with richard than jesse and she sent richard home.

TazoChai · 07-07-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NYRangersFan

I agree, Northernviewer. Why not make me fall in love with him too? Wouldn't that make more sense? I have nothing against the man, I just wasn't given the opportunity to get emotionally invested in him.

EXACTLY!!!

And IMO last season doesn't count as TPTB giving us a "love story."

stilettos · 07-07-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by coltinfan

we must not saw the same show that night i absolutely saw no connection
what so ever with them that night.none if there was a connection he would
have at least sat next to her in limo. did you see how far apart they were
sitting and then at dinner far a part, i honestly thought she had more
spark with richard than jesse and she sent richard home.

i do believe that 2observe was being facetious. She doesn't see the connection either...see laughing out loud emoticon.

StephenKingFan · 07-07-2008, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jr956678

I've heard this a lot on the forums lately. Bet I know what would get you back though:

Sleepless in Seattle - Part II
The edit:

The man who got HIS heart broken on national TV comes back to find his soul mate. He has narrowed the choice down from 25 beautiful women to the final two. Will his final choice be the beautiful Kirsten who seems to have stolen his heart? Or the stunning Sally - the single mom with the adorable 4 year old daughter? The country has fallen in love with both of these women - who wouldn't - but which one has captured the Bachelor's heart? Tune in Moday at 8:00PM to find out - see Jason express his love for the first time to his choice. Stay tuned for the live show - from the Space Needle in Seattle, Washington - where Jason introduces his fiancee to his family.

You'd watch.

Heck - I'd watch.

Bring all the bachelors back. Let's just start over! Let's have 50 women and 24 guys..........

PiperMaru · 07-07-2008, 07:57 PM

Cheers, All!

I daresay, please forgive my absence. I tried like Hades to get through the last transcript, but I wasn’t able to do it. So, mea culpa. I have family who since last Wednesday have been in harm’s way due to a fire and who remain at great risk. So keep your fingers crossed!

There are so many fabulous posts in here, but I haven’t had a chance to go through everything. Cheeky, Jr, Bloomers, and Suza

Wow. Just WOW!

Great spec! (Where have you been hiding, Jr?)

I’ve been dying to get in here with thoughts as to the F2, so in answer to several of your queries, yes, IMO there are definite patterns and build-ups of both these last gent’s edits that does show them to be the last men standing. What’s been roiling in my grey matter is this:

Having never seen any of the shows prior to this installment, I’ve got nothing to go on save for what I’ve seen and surmised from the edit. That is to say, I’ve no clue how previous winners and losers have been edited in the past other than what I’ve gleaned from your gracious insight of previous seasons.

Red flags are the crux of what edit analysis is all about. In my Survivor experience, they told the tale. Flags could be dialog, actions, reactions, oddities, anything that sticks out. Red flags are highly significant and they could go one way or another. Someone could say “I’m gonna steal the girl” and it could result in his doing just that or indicate the exact opposite. That’s the beauty of red flags. Money shots are more scarce, but we’ve had a few whoppers. Those two things, IMO, most often lead to final outcomes. A post-mortem of the edit analysis and these factors will—I’m certain—show exactly how the edits were constructed in regard to the major players.

That said, I revisited my very first assessments of the F4 after eps one and two:

JEREMY: Smooth mover. Potential player. Doesn’t play well with others. Obvious attraction. Lack of sincerity or ego could do him in. Big edit. Potential F4.

GRAHAM: Obvious chemistry but risky. Serious lack of communication skills. Bad edit? Seems her most serious attraction. Possible F4. Only guy she deems “hot.”

JESSE: X-Games dude. Risk taker. Thinks before acting. Something not quite right. Different enough to intrigue. Possible F4 if there’s substance.

JASON: Major background force. Why bring son into the mix if not F4? Cute, unassuming. Waiting to strike when iron is hot. Possible F2 on sincerity. Major money shot.

Couple that with the song lyrics from ep four:

GRAHAM: Graham’s lyrics were indeed a death knell: “Step out the side door like a bird into the sky. Where no one notices the conflict between you and I.”An abyss of irony here. The obvious mirroring is the mention of nobody noticing their conflict. Well, Jason did and he brought it to everyone’s attention. He was all over it.

During D and AbMan’s final happy time together in the hammock he was staring up at the sky. By the time they hit the bench (again ironic in basketball terms) he was looking at the ground. And lord knows he certainly stepped out the side door. Graham gets the boot in ep six.

JEREMY:His rap song: “Six guys in the house which one do you choose; to take to dinner tonight; pick the wrong one and you lose. A chance to see what I absolutely believe; I’m the best for you and I hope you do too.” Okay, so he believes he’s the best for D. The chemistry and seriousness could be in question IMHO on D’s side… so is “Mr. Perfect” truly “the best” for her? The “pick the wrong one and you lose” line is almost a veiled threat. It mirrors her comment about her second-guessing herself and it almost almost rings back to Jeremy’s brother saying “they’ll be there to pick up the pieces.” He hopes she sees he’s the best, but that may or may not be the case. As it turns out, it wasn’t. By the HTD, D now says Jeremy is “pretty perfect.” He gets the boot in ep seven.

JESSE: Of all the songs, Jesse’s lyrics keep repeating like a broken record:

“DeAnna, you make me smile from the inside and laugh on the outside, DeAnna. You’re limo rides are awesome, your helo rides made me jealous, DeAnna. I want you to know that this is real, it’s just how I feel, DeAnna. Please don’t send me away, cuz I’ll cry on the plane, DeAnna.

In ep four, Jesse got the limo ride. In ep five he got the helo ride, but stated he was jealous of Twilley being alone in the helo with D. The “smile on the inside” line popped up again during the HTD—only this time D said it. And the “crying on the plane” was in the ep six preview. Also in ep six, Jesse mentioned his having to sing the song on-stage in ep four. That’s three mentions for the “crying on the plane” line: singing the original song; singing it again on-stage; repeating again in the preview; and the mention during the snowboarding.

In ep six there are two more subtle references: the shot of the plane taking off and the cut to Jesse’s HTD, and the sound of the plane overhead during much of the Graham/D bench debacle. The plane line HAS to come into play. I daresay at this point… his singing it is a MAJOR MONEY SHOT one way or the other. She puts him on the plane or she never does. In ep seven, Jeremy got the plane shot before his FD began. During the MTA, they again repeated Jesse’s plane song line and his being on a plane with D which we saw in ep seven. Of all the red flags we’ve seen this is by far the biggest offending repeater.

JASON: Jason’s song: Ding ding… The Greek islands are the place—Crete or Santorini. But nothing matches you in your bikini. I love my life. The only thing I’m missin’ is DeAnna as my wife.

The first thing Jason said to D when he emerged from the limo was a Greek word. His family served a Greek meal during the HTD. His name is of Greek origin. The fact that he loves his life with his son has been made perfectly clear. That covers the big three, which leaves the last line: He’s missing D as his wife. That mirrors the ‘ol Freudian slip when Jason introduces D to Ty: “This is my… This is DeAnna.” (His mom made a similar snafu during the HTD.) They just keep repeating it over and over.

FWIW, that’s a big ‘ol whopper of a red herring that could go either way. The fact that Jason stops short of introducing her as “my wife” per se is a consistent edit offender. She either will be his wife or it’ll come down to “this is my dream girl and she dumped me.” That line is still pivotal. At that point, we knew Jason had indeed fallen. He was already in the long-term [i]Sleepless in Seattle[/b] mindset, if you will.

The other thing to watch for with Jason, as previously mentioned is the subtle triad aspect. Jeremy had three siblings. Both Graham and Jesse are only children so it was mother/father/son. Jason by default already has his own duo in he and Ty. What bothers my SO about the potential triad is that throughout the entire season, never once has D made mention of her stepmother. Why? Does she indeed get along with her or not? For me this plays into her red flagger of a VO from the HTD:

D VO: No one grows up and thinks “I want to be a stepmother, but after meeting Jason and being with Ty. In a few weeks… I very possibly could be.

This also is a direct dichotomy to the way in which she explained her four-year baby plan. To Jason, she was firm in her assertion that she wanted three kids in four years. With Jesse, she says she doesn’t have any set plans. Big red flag. She’s playing chameleon here and I have to wonder how heavily Ty and all that comes with he and Jason is weighing on her mind. The major “one-two-three-Go!” money shot could go either way. Go ahead and become the stepmother or literally “go away.”

For the record, Graham’s edit IMO, was a slam dunk (pun intended).

It was dead on from minute one and it didn’t let up until the bitter end. Emphasis on bitter. All of Graham’s red flags piled up into a big ‘ol honkin’ nasty emotional massacre. I hold to it as does my SO (and we’re in total agreement with Cheeky

on this one) that Graham’s edit was entirely centered on passive/aggressive behavior, emotional insecurity, and a fight-to-the-death battle for control. There were no winners in this edit on Graham’s or D’s side. It was just plain ugly. (As my goldfish can attest. RIP.)

While a good argument could possibly be made for Jeremy as having been F2 at the very least, his edit as surmised early on followed on its intense and persistent path, reaching its crescendo amid an abyss of seriousness and perfection that ultimately resulted in a lack of chemistry on D’s part. In ep three, Robert said of Jeremy: “He tries too hard to be perfect, and that’s not real.” Jeremy’s edit is in direct contrast to Jesse’s “real as real can be” edit. And as we saw, the ClingWrap got so incredibly tangled it was replaced with Tupperware. Easy to burp and store.

Velcro-Man came full circle. Ultimately, D’s prophecy during the Sinatra date that there was nothing more she could ask of Jeremy was the beginning of the end IMHO. They milked his grief over his parent’s passing and used that as the bond to secure his position with D amid a score of rabid bachelors. Jeremy was the loyal puppy who D could keep around with little worry of his misbehaving. What caught me at the end of last week’s ep was Jeremy exiting the limo. For a minute there I actually thought he might jump the wall and go back inside and hunt her down. I was also vexed by the very specific reaction shots of Jesse when D led Jeremy off and again when she returned. What has Jesse so panicked?

If Jeremy does indeed return tonight as the preview suggests, then his endgame edit makes more sense. Because regardless whether or not I’d seen the preview (which sounds to us to have both Jeremy and Jesse’s VOs), I’d have wondered if Jeremy would make a final appearance. Something was off with the way he departed. In my peabrain, the first inkling of that came from all the Jeremy bashing that occurred during the MTA. What really is behind that animosity? From the ep three transcript:

JESSE: I definitely think that today Jeremy is going to be the biggest competition. He’s the top dog. He hasn’t had to come down to the Outhouse. Everyone wants to bring that dude down. Any chance I get to come between he and DeAnna, I’m definitely going to step up and do that. (And he does just that from here on out. He’s completely zeroed in on Jeremy.)

Jesse has always had his sights clearly set on Jeremy (and Jason in regard to physical and emotional positioning. Specifically, Jesse’s comment about opening up your heart to someone PI after Jason 2-1 date comfort extravaganza). As a gamer, Jeremy was strategic and good at staying focused on the singular goal of winning over D. Jesse approached it from a different angle: choosing the “friends first” route, holding back the smooching, and making those constant insufferable scripted pitches for the blooms.

(Insert runs from room screaming emote.) In that sense, his perceived approach is really quite laughable. Call it nerves. Call it strategy. But it seems obvious to me that the edits intentionally held off showing us more interactions between D and Jesse.

Without a doubt, the tortoise and the hare edits are, IMHO, firmly entrenched in Jesse and Jason. Jason’s perceived knight in shining armor edit is painted with comfort, safety, understanding, fatherhood, “hope” in regard to healing both his and her broken hearts. Slow and steady. He sheds the armor and plays the game without being in-your-face or showing his cards.

Jesse as the hare has had an edit riddled with stops and starts. Like Jason, he’s always been a major background force. Always jockeying for position in regard to keeping close to D. The difference between the two is that Jesse is always shown stirring the pot (i.e. directing the guys to watch Brian holding D’s hand, having a private convo with Robert before the bbq meltdown etc.), winning the alone time competitions, and in many cases, showing his hand. His pitch for the rose at the Beddingfield date was classic. He beat her to the punch. That move in many ways is a subtle mirror to D’s convo with him on the mountain top about finding “somebody to push me.” In his pitch for the rose… Jesse did just that. She also wants someone who’s “not gonna be scared to look me in the eyes.” First shot out of the gate, Jesse told her to look into his eyes. Big red flags.

So in that one D PI she directly relates both Jesse and Jason when she says she’s never found someone she can “fully depend on… and I really need that.” In ep seven she flat out said she knew she could depend on Jason. That convo IMHO, puts both of them in the F2 editwise.

Both Jason and Jesse have amassed a ton of red flags that could lead to them being winner. Of all the key bits of dialog we’ve heard, theirs and D’s in relation to them are head and shoulders above the rest. Jesse’s always winning the competitions. Jason’s the safe guy she can depend on. When she’s with Jesse she feels like she’s the only woman in the world. Jason in ep one says “If I want something, I usually get.” He usually gets it. Not always. Jesse says “I’m stealing her dawg.” Jesse gets the FIR. Jason doesn’t.

In ep one, Paul makes the observation that “Jason is trying too hard.” Jesse gives her the nugs and they blow out their hands which leads D to tell him that her Dad will like that. D later equates Jason’s family to her own “big fat Greek family.” At the ep one toast D mentioned that one of those guys is her husband. The camera goes to Jason. He gets many more of those shots throughout the eps. Later, in reference to that first night of limo entrances, D refers to Jesse as the kid who I never ever would’ve pictured myself with…” How’s that for direct competition to Jason having a son? So is Ty the “kid” she never pictured herself with? Another mongo red flag that could go either way.

By ep three, CH has a VO which says “Jason stole the show… and DeAnna.” In reference to his and D’s disappearance during the magic date. At the Outhouse when D arrives for the Richard date-o-doom, we have a major money shot:

JESSE: “It’s like a closet full of perfection. She just walks in there and gets dusted with it.” He then pretends to sprinkle dust over Jason’s head. (This is a MAJOR MONEY SHOT. Is a potential F2 anointing another? Jesse indicating Jason wins or leaving him in the dust?)

Early on, it was obvious that the two were edited as subtle competitors. Along with Jeremy, they are the two guys who are always at D’s side and who are shown reacting at key moments. The main difference between the two of them goes back to the tortoise and the hare analogy. Jason’s edit has as a whole been golden. The key issues of doubt we were shown are the fact that he has a son (which is “heavy” and forces D to decide if she really wants to be a stepmom), his admission of jealousy in relation to Graham, and his statements to his mom about getting hurt and his big red flag in acknowledging that “of course I’ll be hurt.” That one’s a biggie.

Both men have taken her to the top in a sense—Jason to the Space Needle, Jesse to the top of the mountain. They’ve given her a view from above where everything is beautiful and clear. Now, they’re ultimately vying for permanently remaining with her at ground level. For Jason, that’s when Ty factors in. For Jesse, it all boils down to his “real as real can be” storyline. IMHO, that’s what D’s final decision could rest on. Jason had his armor. Jesse had his mask. Who completely sheds their inhibitions and is ultimately compatible with D? Not knowing D in the real world, it could go either way.

The problem with Jesse’s edit are the stops and starts. He gained ground with his 1-1 date, but then faded a bit in the bg until his HTD. At that point, we finally saw an acceleration in the hare’s edit. It was almost too much too soon, in a sense. Then his edit went smoochy over-the-top during the FD, thus reflecting his ominous threat in ep six:

JESSE VO/PO: At this point, you know, my heart keys in (makes locking sound), it’s unlocked. And she is amazing (still smooching).

I’ll tell you. The weeks to come I’m kicking it up about ten notches, and those dudes ain’t gonna what what hit ‘em (more smoochies).

Jason shed his armor. Jesse unlocked his heart. But unlike Jesse, whose competitive side has been clearly noted along with his underlying “violence” (kicking guys in the nuggets, etc.), Jason has never been shown to be directing any threats toward the other blokes. Jesse is now pushing for the finish line in a more physical angle. Jason’s approaching it from an emotional angle.

We were treated to Jason’s edit growing and growing from this emotional side. It beckoned us in with romantic interludes, perceived trust, openness, and security. Jason was there to heal, reconcile, and be reborn in love. He thanks her for showing him that he can love again. That could go either way. She’s opened his heart. Will she feel the same or is she simply healing his broken heart so he’ll be open to someone else down the line? Jason is safe and dependable. If that’s what she truly desires. He’s the right choice.

With Jesse, they intentionally held back. His edit was off (and remains somewhat off for me btw). We found him to be quirky, playing to D’s adventurous side, working his strategy, teaching her new things. He wasn’t a romantic player. He took the risk and went into the “friend zone” that he said Fred succumbed to. Thus far, it’s worked. But we haven’t seen any of the emotional depth that permeates Jason’s edit. Jesse’s not mentioned her mother. He hasn’t but once asked her how she feels about something. He tells his Pop he’s not ready to get married in two weeks, but in two weeks we see him with the ring on bended knee. In the MTA, Jason is never singled out by the guys. Jesse is. Ryan mentions that Jesse’s laid back and hung around D a lot. Even bigger is Ryan’s mention of the infamous obsessive/compulsive OCD DeAnna. Who admitted OCD? Lest I repeat myself but:

JESSE (singing): Please don’t send me away or I’ll misplace my trays, DeAaaannnnnnaaaaa!

Couple that with D’s flagger of a statement to Jesse: “Are you afraid you’ll misplace me?” All of the above observations are major red flags for gents and they’re huge. Also major are the last statements that both of the gent’s mothers made to D. Jesse’s mom says: “Whatever is meant to be will happen.” Jason’s mom says: “Do some good soul searching. Think big.” And her final words to Jason are “Be brave.” Where does that leave us? With myriad options.

The “be brave” assertion coupled with Jason acknowledgment of “of course I’ll be hurt” gave me a twinge in that it could relate to Jeremy’s brother saying they’ll be “there to pick up the pieces.” The soul searching comment relates back to what I said above and D’s assertion that nobody grows up thinking they want to be a stepmom. The “think big” aspect is two-fold. By thinking big, D chooses Jason and the potential for family and to follow Bloomers brilliant assertion of hearth and home. It could also point to Jesse. As a pro snowboarder and eccentric, Jesse is larger-than-life. Thinking big could mean she wants that adventure and Bloomer’s brilliantly noted wild “bartender” side to remain intact.

From the metaphorical standpoint, it was said outright by Jesse’s mom that his name means “a gift from god.” As a very astute and dear friend pointed out to me, Jason’s name is of Greek origin (again a tie-in to his song lyrics, and all the other Greek red flags) and his name means “healer.”

This is perfectly in sync with his edit. Is D looking to heal and build a life in the comfort zone? Or is she not yet ready to lose the wild side and accepts a gift from the heavens?

Throughout the edit we’ve seen multiple shots of the sun and moon in relation to certain contenders. Jason has had the most positive. There’s a sun-moon-stars aspect to his edit as Cheeky mentioned. Both have had strong sunbeam shots. Jason’s was over his shoulder and head at the observatory. Jesse’s, curiously, was during his HTD—only he wasn’t in the shot. All of Jesse’s sun shots were shown and then rapidly sped up. This is in keeping with his “hare” edit. Jason’s shots, both sun and moon have been very slow and intentionally spliced in. How that ultimately plays out remains to be seen. But if you pull all of those shots, there’s a definite pattern. The intentional waning sunsets various guys got was reflected in their swift demise.

Another consideration in D making her decision could come down to the fact that while Jason is looking for a presence in his life, he’s also mindful of finding a strong presence in his son’s life. D herself admitted that that was a lot of pressure. Jesse, is simply looking for a strong presence in his life. With Jason, D could believe she’ll always play second fiddle. With Jesse, she would be numero uno (although that weird snowboarding convo during the FD dinner throws a bit of doubt into the mix). That is a huge unknown factor playing into the game and how it resolves itself in D’s mind is anyone’s guess.

What seems apparent to me is that the editors have done a good job of setting up both Jason and Jesse as the F2. If you revisit the transcript it’s all there. Jason’s edit is still, IMHO, the knight in shining armor edit with a twist, the twist being Ty. Jesse’s edit is mired in the “real as real can be” aspect. Even D asks him “Are you for real?” She was punked. Were it not for the fact that Jesse’s edit remains off to me, I would have to call Jason winner. The signs are there. And while personally, I think he’s good match for D… I can’t and won’t allow that into my analysis. Jesse could easily be winner.

What nags at me with Jesse’s edit is that I still don’t feel I know Jesse. From minute one, something’s been off and it remains off. Who is Jesse really? That crucial question above all others HAS TO BE rectified tonight. There’s something more to Jesse—good or bad—that we’re not seeing. Is he the real deal or isn’t he? He’s THAT guy… and being “that” guy is a huge red flag.

On the flipside, what will be shown of Jason’s brave knight storyline? Will the knight come out shining or tarnished but still ready for another love battle? For both of these gents, tonight will obviously tell the tale. What Jason is missing is “DeAnna as my wife.” What Jesse is repeating is “please don’t send me away, cuz I’ll cry on the plane.” There are enough red flags in both of their edits to point to them winning or losing. As tonight’s ep progresses I’ll be watching for payoff. Which red flags that we’ve marked are starting to pay off and are they paying off in the positive or negative column? That’s the crux of both of their edits and the meat and potatoes of the entire editing game.

FWIW, I hope you guys have all enjoyed sussing out the show in this way, as much as I’ve enjoyed reading all of your brilliant insights. Props and bows all around!

dancemom5ab · 07-07-2008, 07:59 PM

This years editing if Jesse is the F1 is the worst editing in the history of the series.... His manipulation of not only the people on the show but us as the viewers is just ridiculous (sp?) as Jesse likes to say.
I know, i know, they signed up for it , and we turn on the t.v. set every week so we sign up for it, but come on so your viewers the love story.
Here is an idea Fleiss, show us 2, 3 or 4 love stories, allow us "your" viewers to actually see it. then that way we would be happy then with whatever the outcome is. And you just might not lose your audience.

07-07-2008, 07:57 PM	#1297
PiperMaru FORT Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 84	Re: Behind the Edit SPOILERS Cheers, All! I daresay, please forgive my absence. I tried like Hades to get through the last transcript, but I wasn’t able to do it. So, mea culpa. I have family who since last Wednesday have been in harm’s way due to a fire and who remain at great risk. So keep your fingers crossed! There are so many fabulous posts in here, but I haven’t had a chance to go through everything. Cheeky, Jr, Bloomers, and Suza Wow. Just WOW! Great spec! (Where have you been hiding, Jr?) I’ve been dying to get in here with thoughts as to the F2, so in answer to several of your queries, yes, IMO there are definite patterns and build-ups of both these last gent’s edits that does show them to be the last men standing. What’s been roiling in my grey matter is this: Having never seen any of the shows prior to this installment, I’ve got nothing to go on save for what I’ve seen and surmised from the edit. That is to say, I’ve no clue how previous winners and losers have been edited in the past other than what I’ve gleaned from your gracious insight of previous seasons. Red flags are the crux of what edit analysis is all about. In my Survivor experience, they told the tale. Flags could be dialog, actions, reactions, oddities, anything that sticks out. Red flags are highly significant and they could go one way or another. Someone could say “I’m gonna steal the girl” and it could result in his doing just that or indicate the exact opposite. That’s the beauty of red flags. Money shots are more scarce, but we’ve had a few whoppers. Those two things, IMO, most often lead to final outcomes. A post-mortem of the edit analysis and these factors will—I’m certain—show exactly how the edits were constructed in regard to the major players. That said, I revisited my very first assessments of the F4 after eps one and two: JEREMY: Smooth mover. Potential player. Doesn’t play well with others. Obvious attraction. Lack of sincerity or ego could do him in. Big edit. Potential F4. GRAHAM: Obvious chemistry but risky. Serious lack of communication skills. Bad edit? Seems her most serious attraction. Possible F4. Only guy she deems “hot.” JESSE: X-Games dude. Risk taker. Thinks before acting. Something not quite right. Different enough to intrigue. Possible F4 if there’s substance. JASON: Major background force. Why bring son into the mix if not F4? Cute, unassuming. Waiting to strike when iron is hot. Possible F2 on sincerity. Major money shot. Couple that with the song lyrics from ep four: GRAHAM: Graham’s lyrics were indeed a death knell: “Step out the side door like a bird into the sky. Where no one notices the conflict between you and I.”An abyss of irony here. The obvious mirroring is the mention of nobody noticing their conflict. Well, Jason did and he brought it to everyone’s attention. He was all over it. During D and AbMan’s final happy time together in the hammock he was staring up at the sky. By the time they hit the bench (again ironic in basketball terms) he was looking at the ground. And lord knows he certainly stepped out the side door. Graham gets the boot in ep six. JEREMY:His rap song: “Six guys in the house which one do you choose; to take to dinner tonight; pick the wrong one and you lose. A chance to see what I absolutely believe; I’m the best for you and I hope you do too.” Okay, so he believes he’s the best for D. The chemistry and seriousness could be in question IMHO on D’s side… so is “Mr. Perfect” truly “the best” for her? The “pick the wrong one and you lose” line is almost a veiled threat. It mirrors her comment about her second-guessing herself and it almost almost rings back to Jeremy’s brother saying “they’ll be there to pick up the pieces.” He hopes she sees he’s the best, but that may or may not be the case. As it turns out, it wasn’t. By the HTD, D now says Jeremy is “pretty perfect.” He gets the boot in ep seven. JESSE: Of all the songs, Jesse’s lyrics keep repeating like a broken record: “DeAnna, you make me smile from the inside and laugh on the outside, DeAnna. You’re limo rides are awesome, your helo rides made me jealous, DeAnna. I want you to know that this is real, it’s just how I feel, DeAnna. Please don’t send me away, cuz I’ll cry on the plane, DeAnna. In ep four, Jesse got the limo ride. In ep five he got the helo ride, but stated he was jealous of Twilley being alone in the helo with D. The “smile on the inside” line popped up again during the HTD—only this time D said it. And the “crying on the plane” was in the ep six preview. Also in ep six, Jesse mentioned his having to sing the song on-stage in ep four. That’s three mentions for the “crying on the plane” line: singing the original song; singing it again on-stage; repeating again in the preview; and the mention during the snowboarding. In ep six there are two more subtle references: the shot of the plane taking off and the cut to Jesse’s HTD, and the sound of the plane overhead during much of the Graham/D bench debacle. The plane line HAS to come into play. I daresay at this point… his singing it is a MAJOR MONEY SHOT one way or the other. She puts him on the plane or she never does. In ep seven, Jeremy got the plane shot before his FD began. During the MTA, they again repeated Jesse’s plane song line and his being on a plane with D which we saw in ep seven. Of all the red flags we’ve seen this is by far the biggest offending repeater. JASON: Jason’s song: Ding ding… The Greek islands are the place—Crete or Santorini. But nothing matches you in your bikini. I love my life. The only thing I’m missin’ is DeAnna as my wife. The first thing Jason said to D when he emerged from the limo was a Greek word. His family served a Greek meal during the HTD. His name is of Greek origin. The fact that he loves his life with his son has been made perfectly clear. That covers the big three, which leaves the last line: He’s missing D as his wife. That mirrors the ‘ol Freudian slip when Jason introduces D to Ty: “This is my… This is DeAnna.” (His mom made a similar snafu during the HTD.) They just keep repeating it over and over. FWIW, that’s a big ‘ol whopper of a red herring that could go either way. The fact that Jason stops short of introducing her as “my wife” per se is a consistent edit offender. She either will be his wife or it’ll come down to “this is my dream girl and she dumped me.” That line is still pivotal. At that point, we knew Jason had indeed fallen. He was already in the long-term [i]Sleepless in Seattle[/b] mindset, if you will. The other thing to watch for with Jason, as previously mentioned is the subtle triad aspect. Jeremy had three siblings. Both Graham and Jesse are only children so it was mother/father/son. Jason by default already has his own duo in he and Ty. What bothers my SO about the potential triad is that throughout the entire season, never once has D made mention of her stepmother. Why? Does she indeed get along with her or not? For me this plays into her red flagger of a VO from the HTD: D VO: No one grows up and thinks “I want to be a stepmother, but after meeting Jason and being with Ty. In a few weeks… I very possibly could be. This also is a direct dichotomy to the way in which she explained her four-year baby plan. To Jason, she was firm in her assertion that she wanted three kids in four years. With Jesse, she says she doesn’t have any set plans. Big red flag. She’s playing chameleon here and I have to wonder how heavily Ty and all that comes with he and Jason is weighing on her mind. The major “one-two-three-Go!” money shot could go either way. Go ahead and become the stepmother or literally “go away.” For the record, Graham’s edit IMO, was a slam dunk (pun intended). It was dead on from minute one and it didn’t let up until the bitter end. Emphasis on bitter. All of Graham’s red flags piled up into a big ‘ol honkin’ nasty emotional massacre. I hold to it as does my SO (and we’re in total agreement with Cheeky on this one) that Graham’s edit was entirely centered on passive/aggressive behavior, emotional insecurity, and a fight-to-the-death battle for control. There were no winners in this edit on Graham’s or D’s side. It was just plain ugly. (As my goldfish can attest. RIP.) While a good argument could possibly be made for Jeremy as having been F2 at the very least, his edit as surmised early on followed on its intense and persistent path, reaching its crescendo amid an abyss of seriousness and perfection that ultimately resulted in a lack of chemistry on D’s part. In ep three, Robert said of Jeremy: “He tries too hard to be perfect, and that’s not real.” Jeremy’s edit is in direct contrast to Jesse’s “real as real can be” edit. And as we saw, the ClingWrap got so incredibly tangled it was replaced with Tupperware. Easy to burp and store. Velcro-Man came full circle. Ultimately, D’s prophecy during the Sinatra date that there was nothing more she could ask of Jeremy was the beginning of the end IMHO. They milked his grief over his parent’s passing and used that as the bond to secure his position with D amid a score of rabid bachelors. Jeremy was the loyal puppy who D could keep around with little worry of his misbehaving. What caught me at the end of last week’s ep was Jeremy exiting the limo. For a minute there I actually thought he might jump the wall and go back inside and hunt her down. I was also vexed by the very specific reaction shots of Jesse when D led Jeremy off and again when she returned. What has Jesse so panicked? If Jeremy does indeed return tonight as the preview suggests, then his endgame edit makes more sense. Because regardless whether or not I’d seen the preview (which sounds to us to have both Jeremy and Jesse’s VOs), I’d have wondered if Jeremy would make a final appearance. Something was off with the way he departed. In my peabrain, the first inkling of that came from all the Jeremy bashing that occurred during the MTA. What really is behind that animosity? From the ep three transcript: JESSE: I definitely think that today Jeremy is going to be the biggest competition. He’s the top dog. He hasn’t had to come down to the Outhouse. Everyone wants to bring that dude down. Any chance I get to come between he and DeAnna, I’m definitely going to step up and do that. (And he does just that from here on out. He’s completely zeroed in on Jeremy.) Jesse has always had his sights clearly set on Jeremy (and Jason in regard to physical and emotional positioning. Specifically, Jesse’s comment about opening up your heart to someone PI after Jason 2-1 date comfort extravaganza). As a gamer, Jeremy was strategic and good at staying focused on the singular goal of winning over D. Jesse approached it from a different angle: choosing the “friends first” route, holding back the smooching, and making those constant insufferable scripted pitches for the blooms. (Insert runs from room screaming emote.) In that sense, his perceived approach is really quite laughable. Call it nerves. Call it strategy. But it seems obvious to me that the edits intentionally held off showing us more interactions between D and Jesse. Without a doubt, the tortoise and the hare edits are, IMHO, firmly entrenched in Jesse and Jason. Jason’s perceived knight in shining armor edit is painted with comfort, safety, understanding, fatherhood, “hope” in regard to healing both his and her broken hearts. Slow and steady. He sheds the armor and plays the game without being in-your-face or showing his cards. Jesse as the hare has had an edit riddled with stops and starts. Like Jason, he’s always been a major background force. Always jockeying for position in regard to keeping close to D. The difference between the two is that Jesse is always shown stirring the pot (i.e. directing the guys to watch Brian holding D’s hand, having a private convo with Robert before the bbq meltdown etc.), winning the alone time competitions, and in many cases, showing his hand. His pitch for the rose at the Beddingfield date was classic. He beat her to the punch. That move in many ways is a subtle mirror to D’s convo with him on the mountain top about finding “somebody to push me.” In his pitch for the rose… Jesse did just that. She also wants someone who’s “not gonna be scared to look me in the eyes.” First shot out of the gate, Jesse told her to look into his eyes. Big red flags. So in that one D PI she directly relates both Jesse and Jason when she says she’s never found someone she can “fully depend on… and I really need that.” In ep seven she flat out said she knew she could depend on Jason. That convo IMHO, puts both of them in the F2 editwise. Both Jason and Jesse have amassed a ton of red flags that could lead to them being winner. Of all the key bits of dialog we’ve heard, theirs and D’s in relation to them are head and shoulders above the rest. Jesse’s always winning the competitions. Jason’s the safe guy she can depend on. When she’s with Jesse she feels like she’s the only woman in the world. Jason in ep one says “If I want something, I usually get.” He usually gets it. Not always. Jesse says “I’m stealing her dawg.” Jesse gets the FIR. Jason doesn’t. In ep one, Paul makes the observation that “Jason is trying too hard.” Jesse gives her the nugs and they blow out their hands which leads D to tell him that her Dad will like that. D later equates Jason’s family to her own “big fat Greek family.” At the ep one toast D mentioned that one of those guys is her husband. The camera goes to Jason. He gets many more of those shots throughout the eps. Later, in reference to that first night of limo entrances, D refers to Jesse as the kid who I never ever would’ve pictured myself with…” How’s that for direct competition to Jason having a son? So is Ty the “kid” she never pictured herself with? Another mongo red flag that could go either way. By ep three, CH has a VO which says “Jason stole the show… and DeAnna.” In reference to his and D’s disappearance during the magic date. At the Outhouse when D arrives for the Richard date-o-doom, we have a major money shot: JESSE: “It’s like a closet full of perfection. She just walks in there and gets dusted with it.” He then pretends to sprinkle dust over Jason’s head. (This is a MAJOR MONEY SHOT. Is a potential F2 anointing another? Jesse indicating Jason wins or leaving him in the dust?) Early on, it was obvious that the two were edited as subtle competitors. Along with Jeremy, they are the two guys who are always at D’s side and who are shown reacting at key moments. The main difference between the two of them goes back to the tortoise and the hare analogy. Jason’s edit has as a whole been golden. The key issues of doubt we were shown are the fact that he has a son (which is “heavy” and forces D to decide if she really wants to be a stepmom), his admission of jealousy in relation to Graham, and his statements to his mom about getting hurt and his big red flag in acknowledging that “of course I’ll be hurt.” That one’s a biggie. Both men have taken her to the top in a sense—Jason to the Space Needle, Jesse to the top of the mountain. They’ve given her a view from above where everything is beautiful and clear. Now, they’re ultimately vying for permanently remaining with her at ground level. For Jason, that’s when Ty factors in. For Jesse, it all boils down to his “real as real can be” storyline. IMHO, that’s what D’s final decision could rest on. Jason had his armor. Jesse had his mask. Who completely sheds their inhibitions and is ultimately compatible with D? Not knowing D in the real world, it could go either way. The problem with Jesse’s edit are the stops and starts. He gained ground with his 1-1 date, but then faded a bit in the bg until his HTD. At that point, we finally saw an acceleration in the hare’s edit. It was almost too much too soon, in a sense. Then his edit went smoochy over-the-top during the FD, thus reflecting his ominous threat in ep six: JESSE VO/PO: At this point, you know, my heart keys in (makes locking sound), it’s unlocked. And she is amazing (still smooching). I’ll tell you. The weeks to come I’m kicking it up about ten notches, and those dudes ain’t gonna what what hit ‘em (more smoochies). Jason shed his armor. Jesse unlocked his heart. But unlike Jesse, whose competitive side has been clearly noted along with his underlying “violence” (kicking guys in the nuggets, etc.), Jason has never been shown to be directing any threats toward the other blokes. Jesse is now pushing for the finish line in a more physical angle. Jason’s approaching it from an emotional angle. We were treated to Jason’s edit growing and growing from this emotional side. It beckoned us in with romantic interludes, perceived trust, openness, and security. Jason was there to heal, reconcile, and be reborn in love. He thanks her for showing him that he can love again. That could go either way. She’s opened his heart. Will she feel the same or is she simply healing his broken heart so he’ll be open to someone else down the line? Jason is safe and dependable. If that’s what she truly desires. He’s the right choice. With Jesse, they intentionally held back. His edit was off (and remains somewhat off for me btw). We found him to be quirky, playing to D’s adventurous side, working his strategy, teaching her new things. He wasn’t a romantic player. He took the risk and went into the “friend zone” that he said Fred succumbed to. Thus far, it’s worked. But we haven’t seen any of the emotional depth that permeates Jason’s edit. Jesse’s not mentioned her mother. He hasn’t but once asked her how she feels about something. He tells his Pop he’s not ready to get married in two weeks, but in two weeks we see him with the ring on bended knee. In the MTA, Jason is never singled out by the guys. Jesse is. Ryan mentions that Jesse’s laid back and hung around D a lot. Even bigger is Ryan’s mention of the infamous obsessive/compulsive OCD DeAnna. Who admitted OCD? Lest I repeat myself but: JESSE (singing): Please don’t send me away or I’ll misplace my trays, DeAaaannnnnnaaaaa! Couple that with D’s flagger of a statement to Jesse: “Are you afraid you’ll misplace me?” All of the above observations are major red flags for gents and they’re huge. Also major are the last statements that both of the gent’s mothers made to D. Jesse’s mom says: “Whatever is meant to be will happen.” Jason’s mom says: “Do some good soul searching. Think big.” And her final words to Jason are “Be brave.” Where does that leave us? With myriad options. The “be brave” assertion coupled with Jason acknowledgment of “of course I’ll be hurt” gave me a twinge in that it could relate to Jeremy’s brother saying they’ll be “there to pick up the pieces.” The soul searching comment relates back to what I said above and D’s assertion that nobody grows up thinking they want to be a stepmom. The “think big” aspect is two-fold. By thinking big, D chooses Jason and the potential for family and to follow Bloomers brilliant assertion of hearth and home. It could also point to Jesse. As a pro snowboarder and eccentric, Jesse is larger-than-life. Thinking big could mean she wants that adventure and Bloomer’s brilliantly noted wild “bartender” side to remain intact. From the metaphorical standpoint, it was said outright by Jesse’s mom that his name means “a gift from god.” As a very astute and dear friend pointed out to me, Jason’s name is of Greek origin (again a tie-in to his song lyrics, and all the other Greek red flags) and his name means “healer.” This is perfectly in sync with his edit. Is D looking to heal and build a life in the comfort zone? Or is she not yet ready to lose the wild side and accepts a gift from the heavens? Throughout the edit we’ve seen multiple shots of the sun and moon in relation to certain contenders. Jason has had the most positive. There’s a sun-moon-stars aspect to his edit as Cheeky mentioned. Both have had strong sunbeam shots. Jason’s was over his shoulder and head at the observatory. Jesse’s, curiously, was during his HTD—only he wasn’t in the shot. All of Jesse’s sun shots were shown and then rapidly sped up. This is in keeping with his “hare” edit. Jason’s shots, both sun and moon have been very slow and intentionally spliced in. How that ultimately plays out remains to be seen. But if you pull all of those shots, there’s a definite pattern. The intentional waning sunsets various guys got was reflected in their swift demise. Another consideration in D making her decision could come down to the fact that while Jason is looking for a presence in his life, he’s also mindful of finding a strong presence in his son’s life. D herself admitted that that was a lot of pressure. Jesse, is simply looking for a strong presence in his life. With Jason, D could believe she’ll always play second fiddle. With Jesse, she would be numero uno (although that weird snowboarding convo during the FD dinner throws a bit of doubt into the mix). That is a huge unknown factor playing into the game and how it resolves itself in D’s mind is anyone’s guess. What seems apparent to me is that the editors have done a good job of setting up both Jason and Jesse as the F2. If you revisit the transcript it’s all there. Jason’s edit is still, IMHO, the knight in shining armor edit with a twist, the twist being Ty. Jesse’s edit is mired in the “real as real can be” aspect. Even D asks him “Are you for real?” She was punked. Were it not for the fact that Jesse’s edit remains off to me, I would have to call Jason winner. The signs are there. And while personally, I think he’s good match for D… I can’t and won’t allow that into my analysis. Jesse could easily be winner. What nags at me with Jesse’s edit is that I still don’t feel I know Jesse. From minute one, something’s been off and it remains off. Who is Jesse really? That crucial question above all others HAS TO BE rectified tonight. There’s something more to Jesse—good or bad—that we’re not seeing. Is he the real deal or isn’t he? He’s THAT guy… and being “that” guy is a huge red flag. On the flipside, what will be shown of Jason’s brave knight storyline? Will the knight come out shining or tarnished but still ready for another love battle? For both of these gents, tonight will obviously tell the tale. What Jason is missing is “DeAnna as my wife.” What Jesse is repeating is “please don’t send me away, cuz I’ll cry on the plane.” There are enough red flags in both of their edits to point to them winning or losing. As tonight’s ep progresses I’ll be watching for payoff. Which red flags that we’ve marked are starting to pay off and are they paying off in the positive or negative column? That’s the crux of both of their edits and the meat and potatoes of the entire editing game. FWIW, I hope you guys have all enjoyed sussing out the show in this way, as much as I’ve enjoyed reading all of your brilliant insights. Props and bows all around! Last edited by PiperMaru; 07-07-2008 at 08:03 PM. Reason: Formatting

07-07-2008, 07:59 PM	#1298
dancemom5ab FORT Fan Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 211	Re: Behind the Edit SPOILERS This years editing if Jesse is the F1 is the worst editing in the history of the series.... His manipulation of not only the people on the show but us as the viewers is just ridiculous (sp?) as Jesse likes to say. I know, i know, they signed up for it , and we turn on the t.v. set every week so we sign up for it, but come on so your viewers the love story. Here is an idea Fleiss, show us 2, 3 or 4 love stories, allow us "your" viewers to actually see it. then that way we would be happy then with whatever the outcome is. And you just might not lose your audience.