Behind the Edit **SPOILERS**

[ilovemick]

Go and really listen to the video I do not believe it was spliced!!!
I know most of the sleuthers believe it was after the fact and he is gone, although I don't understand why she is using the present tense - " I am trying to give Graham the benefit of the doubt".

[Google]

 

[PiperMaru]

Excellent points Bloomers! Couldn’t quote your responses, so I’ve bolded them.

Amen to that....did he forget the camera was running? Did a tree fall on his head? What in the world possessed him to say that given his circumstances? Right there just about guarantees him in the edit that he isn't "Mr. ride off into the sunset" with her at the end of this saga. – Bloomers”

I know! Seriously. It’s kinda like having the best midnight mambo with the sexiest guy you’ve ever met and then saying you’d prefer sitting at home with a battery-operated appliance. (Somebody please smack me before I metaphor again…)

Screencaps and other evidence indicate that Graham is F4. I can't remember another F4 getting this much attention before, and certainly not as much controversy as he is getting on the board. We are being told that there are different editors and primary producers on this show and B12 then before. Usually the edit that both Jeremy and Graham are getting would be more like the F2 contestant. However, the amazing physical attraction that she has for him guarantees a ride into the final 4 barring some kind of huge social error on his part. – Bloomers

This is indeed vexing. If his high profile continues than I would wonder if his leaving has some unusual considerations or perhaps D’s perceived Florence Nightingale mission of mercy to make him into her perfect guy becomes a more prominent storyline.

Different editors as noted earlier but in B11, B12, and Bach/ett4 ep#3 F4 rose has been given out last of the final 4 positions. – Bloomers

Stellar information that. Brilliant that you’ve tracked it!

It is interesting that when they mention, "Who will lose their chance?" (at all?) they do not include Jason in the mix, but they do include Jesse. – Bloomers

That one really struck me as well. Jason hasn’t been targeted with those types of shots. If he his F1, then I would expect at some point there’ll be some downslide in his edit, but it’s likely something that’s immediately rectified so as not to make him unlikable. Of course he could just sail on through unscathed by the editing gods.

Originally Posted by Capegal

PIPER - thanx for your hard work - well done - now a question for your (or did I miss this already??) - where do you see Jason in all of this - per your transcripts and analysis??

Hi Capegal. Post six on this thread has the loose thoughts I made notes of before finding the fort after ep three. In the first two eps I called Jason, Jesse, Graham, Jeremy as potential F4, with Richard as potential F5 (Poor bloke. Such a sweetie.), and furthered Jason as possible F2.

Pardons for quoting myself here:
“IMHO, Jeremy seems to be getting the setup for “most hated” which seems to result in DeAnna being protective and generous with the blooms. Certainly backfired for Ron in ep three, but they’re playing it up. Graham’s edit is showing as somewhat unstable (in my useless opinion), whether that gets resolved and he becomes hero or falls apart, I’ve no clue, not having read anything yet. Jason really seems to be at the good end of a “knight in shining armor” edit. In particular, his refusal to monopolize DeAnna’s time after already having a date with her. Big points for that and intentionally shown to us. By contrast, Jeremy didn’t have that sense of restraint. Jesse’s the weird one for me. I know diddly about the guy. (Are others feeling it?), but something doesn’t set well. Maybe it’s just that he’s not my type, but his interactions with DeAnna seem very scripted for lack of better word. Seems like a player to me. Why is he single? She was right to ask that.”

That’s basically my opinion through ep three. As to the F2, after the first ep, my SO asked me who I thought was winner. I said Jason, but the next two eps will tell, the unknown factor being the revelation of his son and if there’s chemistry. My gut said Jason from the starting gate, which is not to say that he’s the winner, but he does appear IMO to have a winning edit thus far. If his edit continues in subtle measure, slow and steady could win the race. Jesse, Jeremy, and Graham appear to be his biggest competition. I’m at a disadvantage here, never having seen the shows I’ve no clue if a bach/bachelorette has the option to simply date the F2 in the real world and then make a decision. The interesting wild card factor in this is that in Survivor, the winner’s fate is in the hands of others. In Bach, D holds all the cards. Before coming to the fort and reading what you guys have uncovered, I still would’ve bet my last pair of Darth Vader boxers that Jason would be there till the end. Unless the guy has some serious skeleton, the knight in shining armor edit holds for me. Of course, I’ve no clue how D’s tastes run. If she does choose Jesse, then there must be a reason, or a damn good deception if rumors are to be believed. Jesse isn’t at the highpoint of his edit. It’ll be interesting to see where they go with him.

A question for you guys. What kind of edit did D get during her season with Brad? Is her edit here vastly different?

[Jammie]

Originally Posted by PiperMaru

Amen to that....did he forget the camera was running? Did a tree fall on his head? What in the world possessed him to say that given his circumstances? Right there just about guarantees him in the edit that he isn't "Mr. ride off into the sunset" with her at the end of this saga. – Bloomers”

I know! Seriously. It’s kinda like having the best midnight mambo with the sexiest guy you’ve ever met and then saying you’d prefer sitting at home with a battery-operated appliance. (Somebody please smack me before I metaphor again…)

Piper, I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and am VERY glad you decided to join us here at FORT. You are a breath of fresh air!

[marlap]

Originally Posted by PiperMaru

A question for you guys. What kind of edit did D get during her season with Brad? Is her edit here vastly different?

Boy! Brace yourself for the widely differing opinions you'll get on this! Many, many people here hated Dee (and a few still do).

I loved her on Brad's season though. In a nutshell, two of the women (Jade and Hilary) were shown trashing Jenni behind her back at one of the RC parties and Jenni overheard and was crying and Dee is shown comforting Jenni and telling her not to trust too much basically... Jade and Hilary were also shown later going throught Jenni's suitcase looking for evidence that she was just there to further her modeling career.

Jade and Hilary were given the "mean girls" edit. Dee (and this girl McCarten) were shown several times at the girls' mansion standing up to Jade and Hilary (once at dinner, once outside hanging out, once out by the pool).

Dee was definitely not nice to Jade or Hilary and, for my part, remembering how that very second RC party Dee was aware of how mean those two could be to a sweet girl like Jenni (who as we saw remained close to Dee as evidenced in her appearance on the first episode this season).

To me...Dee's edit around the house was standing up to the house bullies and being kind of a mama bear. Mess with a sweet person like Jenni and you mess with me! was how I saw her attitude.

A lot of people simply saw Dee as harsh and hated her, and like I said some still do.

I personally loved that she stood up to the house mean girls and remember vividly thinking what a great and loyal friend she would be to have!

I do think sometimes that Jade and Hilary were Fleiss plants and were carrying out his orders to create drama. Just the fact that they were filmed stooping down in Jenni's room going through her things with a camera pointed straight at them! Eh-em...

Dee was also shown to be happy and loving around her family, sweet to Brad, very no-nonsnse when she told Brad about her mother (not even a whif of sympathy solicitation)...just proud of her mom and how strong she had been), and laughing and having fun.

The ONLY times we saw her mama bear side was when Jade and Hilary were talking to her. Dee simply wasn't going to put up with their mean girl stuff (Fleiss-inspired IMO, but Dee wouldn't know that necessarily).

I'm sure you'll hear from folks who still don't like her, but that is my view of her edit and I'm sticking to it!

[Arielflies]

Originally Posted by Phyllie

I couldn't find this...I watched all the Graham edits that cupcake put on youtube and I couldn't find it. To me, with his words and his actions he seemed kind of giddy back at the Outhouse after his beach date.

Maybe Graham thought he had it in the bag after the beach date and then got a little miffed when he realized Deanna was still test driving candidates. Since he wasn't playing the game to suit them, they decided to throw him under the bus.

My take was that he was talking about the kiss, not the date. The others prodded him about whether they kissed and he seemed to brush it off possibly because he really didn't want to discuss it with the guys. However, on camera, his words make it seem as though he really didn't care for it.

ETA: Then again, the way he pulled back from DeAnna's initiated kiss this past rose party, maybe their beach kiss wasn't something he would write home about...he says the words to stay, but he isn't all that into DeAnna.

[Bloomers]

In Brad's show, DeAnna was edited to be honest - painfully, bluntly, brashly, and to some people brutally honest - but honest nevertheless.
I never backed off from this assessment and that she could and in polite society should have been a little more diplomatic in her honesty - perhaps in order to be less offensive to those who do not appreciate that much direct honesty.
What I was less apt to accept from others was that DeAnna was a bully. I never saw that at all. In her last date with Brad, she informed him that she did not want to wake up in the middle of the night and fall into the toilet because the lid had been left up ( neither do I ) and that she should be the one that decides where the things go in the kitchen. ( Who does the cooking? That is the one who decides where everything should be placed so that he/she knows where it is. We knew she liked to cook.)

From those two things she was accused as being controlling. I would agree she liked to control those things in her immediate life (the toilet and the kitchen).
I am many things and have been called some names in my life - contoller is not one of them, but I too like to control my toilet and kitchen.

[Just Sayin]

Originally Posted by PiperMaru

A question for you guys. What kind of edit did D get during her season with Brad? Is her edit here vastly different?

I don't really have anything to add to what marlap and Bloomers said about Deanna as I completely agree with their assessments. But, many here didn't and still don't.

However, I will say that during that season no one really got a F1 edit like Jason is and like Shayne did. Perhaps it is due to the new "editing team"... I don't know.

Over that past few seasons, the F1 has become more and more apparent through the editing, IMO. Perhaps Fleiss has grown tired of ticking his audience off with "surprise" F1s, but probably not. While I was a big Bevin supporter, I could easily tell from Tessa's edit that she was F1. I think Shayne was obvious from very early on last season. And, I think thus far, Jason is hands down getting the F1 edit.

ETA: I don't think her edit on this show is necessarily that much different that on TB, but we are just allowed to see and understand her personality a little more. Many of her supporters this time around were not necessary fans of her during TB, but now that we are shown a little more of why she is who she is, people are much more accepting. She was shown as a no-nonsense type of gal during TB, much like she is during this season.

[clubber]

Originally Posted by PiperMaru

IN THE OUTHOUSE:
Notes: This makes me think of Graham returning from his date with D. He said something to the effect that it was “nothing special.” Either that’s strategy, cluelessness, or his being overwhelmed. That was a huge red flag for Graham IMHO.

Amen to that....did he forget the camera was running? Did a tree fall on his head? What in the world possessed him to say that given his circumstances? Right there just about guarantees him in the edit that he isn't "Mr. ride off into the sunset" with her at the end of this saga. - Bloomers

After Graham said that, I watched that scene over and over about 20 times because I wondered WTH he was thinking. And as a self-described expert (LOL) on that one scene, I think he was trying to downplay the kiss to the other guys for whatever reason. I don't think he was dogging the date or the kiss, but I can understand why someone else would interpret it that way. JMHO, obviously.

ETA: This is a really, really cool thread. Piper and Bloomers, you all do good work -- thanks for the time you put into it.

[beeleever]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

In Brad's show, DeAnna was edited to be honest - painfully, bluntly, brashly, and to some people brutally honest - but honest nevertheless.
I never backed off from this assessment and that she could and in polite society should have been a little more diplomatic in her honesty - perhaps in order to be less offensive to those who do not appreciate that much direct honesty.

I have just recently participated in an inventory assessing communication and conflict style. While my preferred style is direct, I often use indirect communication, depending on what the accepted culture/environment is in each situation. My perception is that Deanna is also direct in her preferred style.

There are two things I would like to express:

1. Having a direct style of communicating and resolving conflict does not in any way reflect the characteristics of being harsh, rude, or saying things without tact or thought of another's feelings.

2. The producers have ultimate control over what they show. If they chose to, they could keep all the perceived "negative" edits on the cutting room floor.

Having said that, I am not judging Deanna in any way. Just sharing my thoughts...

[Shannonm93]

Originally Posted by clubber

After Graham said that, I watched that scene over and over about 20 times because I wondered WTH he was thinking. And as a self-described expert (LOL) on that one scene, I think he was trying to downplay the kiss to the other guys for whatever reason. I don't think he was dogging the date or the kiss, but I can understand why someone else would interpret it that way. JMHO, obviously.

ETA: This is a really, really cool thread. Piper and Bloomers, you all do good work -- thanks for the time you put into it.

I agree, but nevertheless he didn't come out in too good of a light because of it.