Behind the Edit **SPOILERS**

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Originally Posted by Auntie Lyn

First, my undying devotion to Shrts, Traylo, and Piper for their detail and good eye/ears! Bravo!


Piper, I have been intrigued by same shot technique of Graham throughout this whole B'ette season. He is always in the rear, the last one in the door, getting up to move out of a screen shot, or even stepping backwards and taking several looks at De's behind. Are they trying to portray him as pulled back into himself and cut off from the group, not willing to play nice with all the guys, or possibly we can assume he's a booty man?

I have never really paid attention to any other of the reality shows I watch, never getting intrigued enough to sleuth, but this shooting/editing technique puzzles me. Have they normally picked someone to be the tail on the horse and position him at that spot always?

I am wondering also about the references to stealing in regards to Graham.


How can you steal what you already have unless edit is trying to make it obvious that Graham no longer has what he thought he had. Yet in the next scene we have Jason and Twilley describing what Graham and De have that none of the others do. What would Graham steal?

Did they know when they did this edit the outcome of the final? Perhaps he steals her heart back at the end, or steals another look at her booty, or who knows what it could mean.

AS much as I hate to say this as I am enjoying the show, I can't wait for it to be over! The nerves and confusion is getting to me. I have a hard time taking myself out of the show to be a good sleuther My glasses are colored by my experiences, and luckily for me, I met and married my Graham and never looked back. They have been a great group of guys for the most part, and I hope that each of them find that woman of their dreams. DeAnna will find her happiness I'm sure.

Perhaps the stealing references are beyond the final rose.......

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No matter what Fleiss does with the edit from this point forward, he has created such uncertainty about his F1 that can be recovered from, we all are aware that there remain only 3 dates after the HTD's, and by editing Graham the way he did and Jeremy the way he did, he hung his F1 out to dry. I have to assume there is a reason for it that won't be presented until ATFR or perhaps beyond.

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Originally Posted by ilovemick

Originally posted by PiperMaru

About two-thirds of the way through this transcription it hit me. The final four gents are like a four-course dinner:

* Jesse is the appetizer. Ordering an appetizer is always a crapshoot. You never know what you’re gonna get and whether it’s gonna be good, mediocre, or bad.
* Jeremy is the salad with blue cheese dressing. Every time you order the salad you have the same dressing—and you like it. You know that it will be good. But you still can’t help but wonder if it would taste better with Green Goddess.
* Jason is the main entrée. If you like everything on the plate, it’s a godsend. And even if you don’t, at least you have a baked potato or rice to fall back
on. Good or bad, you always remember the main course.
* Graham is the dessert. You’re in absolute heaven when consuming it—until the sugar rush hits and you crash. But you’ll always remember the dessert fondly and would gladly go back for more.

So what do you take from the meal? You remember the entrée and the dessert, and if the appetizer’s really good it could overshadow both of them. The salad stays the same until you go for the Green Goddess.

And for the record: Sean is the plate presentation. All of the courses look incredibly pretty with garnish and all. But in the end you know it’s too frou frou for you. And Twilley. Well, Twilley’s the beer.



I know when some of us girls go out to eat all we want is dessert!!!

It's funny that there's the whole food analogy here---because Jeremy and DeAnna were singing (or attempting) "The Way You Look Tonight", which was the song used in "My Best Friend's Wedding"---(Dermot Mulroney sings it to Julia Roberts as they dance on the boat, and the "moment" passes them by, then she loans Durmot and Cameron Diaz the song as her wedding gift to them at the end, when she concedes that the best man has won the best woman)....and in the same movie Julia Robert's character is a food critic, and when she is explaining relationships and desire to Cameron Diaz she makes a food analogy where she, in a veiled manner, calls Cameron Diaz "Creme brulee" and lables herself "jello" then says "creme brulee is perfect, but sometimes you just want jello----you're more comfortable with jello---and creme brulee can NEVER be jello".

I'm betting there is another reference to the movie in this episode---probably having to do with the Rupert Everett line "you're chasing Michael, Michael's chasing Kimmie---but who's chasing You?" Any guesses?

With all the singing I bet there's at least a chance we can still catch a rousing rendition of "The moment I wake up....before I put on my make up...." from the final 4. Or maybe Sean will sing it in an extended version of his diary of the departed. heheheheheheh

Personally, your comparison has given me a sudden craving for a salad.

[Jenash]

Originally Posted by PiperMaru

EPISODE FIVE TRANSCRIPT: PART ONE

About two-thirds of the way through this transcription it hit me. The final four gents are like a four-course dinner:

* Jesse is the appetizer. Ordering an appetizer is always a crapshoot. You never know what you’re gonna get and whether it’s gonna be good, mediocre, or bad.
* Jeremy is the salad with blue cheese dressing. Every time you order the salad you have the same dressing—and you like it. You know that it will be good. But you still can’t help but wonder if it would taste better with Green Goddess.
* Jason is the main entrée. If you like everything on the plate, it’s a godsend. And even if you don’t, at least you have a baked potato or rice to fall back on. Good or bad, you always remember the main course.
* Graham is the dessert. You’re in absolute heaven when consuming it—until the sugar rush hits and you crash. But you’ll always remember the dessert fondly and would gladly go back for more.

So what do you take from the meal? You remember the entrée and the dessert, and if the appetizer’s really good it could overshadow both of them. The salad stays the same until you go for the Green Goddess.

And for the record: Sean is the plate presentation. All of the courses look incredibly pretty with garnish and all. But in the end you know it’s too frou frou for you. And Twilley. Well, Twilley’s the beer.

LOL! Perfect description!

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by PiperMaru

EPISODE FIVE TRANSCRIPT: PART ONE

Before I do anything, I want you all to know that this transcript was a true team effort. Please give a round of applause and major props to Shrtswt2thpt, who was kind enough to volunteer her time and energy. She did an outstanding job of keying in the dialog for this transcript and her efforts were amazing and are greatly appreciated. Shrtswt!

I also received a major gift from Traylo who of her own accord transcribed and notated the entire “Next Scenes” section. So again, a big round of applause to Traylo for her gracious and generous efforts! Transcription and the like takes an enormous amount of time. If you’re lucky you can get through seven to ten screen minutes of straight dialog in an hour or more, so I can’t tell you how much I appreciate their help!




My thanks, too, as I know that is a bodacious amount of work! - Bloomers


Also of note in this ep is a subtle underlying set-up between Jason and Jesse (and Jason and Graham to a lesser extent). What we’ve already gleaned from their edits is that as an athlete, Jesse is an innate physical risk taker. He’s winning the competitions. He’s wild on the ATV. He digs adventure. But emotionally, he’s not taking the risks. He hasn’t kissed DeAnna. He held her hand under the table.

Is that possibly a subconscious gesture that represents the underhanded action he took in coming on the show with a girlfriend already in place? - Bloomers

Jason, who automatically took a risk coming onto the show not knowing if D would accept his son, is being shown as an emotional risk taker. He’s hesitant with the physical challenges. He was concerned with the race car steering wheel shaking. He took the straight and narrow on the ATV. But Jason loves emotions. He’s taking the risk by opening his heart and he is kissing her—as much as he can—without hesitation.

- Jason is edited as the best of both worlds, so to speak. Physically he is shown as enthusically if cautiously embracing all of the same athletic activities as the other guys. He physically interacts with DeAnna with just the right amount of finesse. Emotionally, he connects with her on a level that leaves most men can't even fathom let alone compete with. - Bloomers


If this underlying competition comes to fruition then it’s possible there’s an angel/devil, good vs. bad theme beginning to boil. Conversely, it could be a stable vs. wild comparison or father vs. friend alignment. Jesse is still a wildcard and his edit is still somewhat hidden. He’s got the lure of adventure and that’s intriguing to D. The fact he hasn’t kissed her could also be what’s keeping him in the game. She’s attracted, but can’t make a decision until she kisses him. Jason, contrary to his naming of Graham, is being portrayed as a sure bet. She knows there’s chemistry and knows he’s at least willing to do adventurous things. No matter whether these two are F2 or not, the edit is showing them going head-to-head.

Jesse is wild, adventuresome, and free spirited. IMO the bartender side of DeAnna responds to Jesse. DeAnna has gotten her Real Estate license and is trying to move completely in a new direction. In unstated terms she is looking for hearth and home, and Jason represents that for her - the Realtor. -Bloomers

Graham’s edit took a turn for the better this week with lessened emotional drama that made him much more likeable (his sulking was still shown, but on the whole it was subdued). On the one hand this is good. On the other, we’ve often seen this happen in Survivor. A tumultuous character is given a positive “redemption” edit right before their boot. If D’s trauma in the next scenes is with Graham, then this ep was the calm before the storm.

For the emotional chaos to occur with Graham makes sense to his edit thus far. It doesn’t mean it has to be Graham, but his edit would accept that trauma. With Jeremy or Jason, something very drastic would have to occur for their edits to take that big a turn. It’s not impossible, but their edits don’t necessarily lean that way. Of course for any of them, that could all change with the family visits. Jeremy could come to his family’s defense, for example, and cause a rift with D. Jason being a dad could prove to be too much for her. And Jesse, well, external circumstances or the lack of intimate attention he pays her could come to a head. For any of these guys, the majority of their character arc would have to hit the apex for the breakdown to be believable. As yet, Graham has the most controversy.

My prediction is that the dates themselves may go smoothly, but even though it may be done unwittingly the families are going to be edited as saying something that will throw the person under the bus, i.e., Graham's mom's remark about his relationships only lasting 4 weeks ( which may very well be only part of a much bigger and less onerous thought). It looks like Jeremy's family is unhospitable, yet why should they be? (editing) Jesse's parents - Jesse's???- have to be won over. That really sounds like a stretch, but I do know from insider info that those HTs last 12-15 hours, and we only see a few minutes - usually the worst few minutes that they can get out of the whole time. (Nobody will ever forget Bettina's dad) - Bloomers

Jeremy’s edit took a bit of a slide. This was the first ep where there was no Velcro-interruptus. He never cut into anyone’s alone time. The Sinatra date was key for Jeremy’s edit and it shows. The PIs and VOs during that date almost put Jeremy’s evolution at a standstill. D’s statement about how she couldn’t ask anything more of Jeremy is highly significant. The entire date is very telling.

Those kinds of statements are so misleading. What we have found out is that there is a producer who is off to the side, unseen, prompting the person with questions. All we hear is the Bach/ette or contestant's response. Example - Producer: "Is there any more that Jeremy could do to win your heart? Answer, please, in a complete sentence.
What we (see maybe) hear: Deanna- "I couldn't ask anything more of Jeremy."

Therefore, they sometimes really don't tell you anything, and often they can lead you down the wrong path all together as I found out the first show that I watched. - Bloomers


About two-thirds of the way through this transcription it hit me. The final four gents are like a four-course dinner:

* Jesse is the appetizer. Ordering an appetizer is always a crapshoot. You never know what you’re gonna get and whether it’s gonna be good, mediocre, or bad.
* Jeremy is the salad with blue cheese dressing. Every time you order the salad you have the same dressing—and you like it. You know that it will be good. But you still can’t help but wonder if it would taste better with Green Goddess.
* Jason is the main entrée. If you like everything on the plate, it’s a godsend. And even if you don’t, at least you have a baked potato or rice to fall back on. Good or bad, you always remember the main course.
* Graham is the dessert. You’re in absolute heaven when consuming it—until the sugar rush hits and you crash. But you’ll always remember the dessert fondly and would gladly go back for more.

So what do you take from the meal? You remember the entrée and the dessert, and if the appetizer’s really good it could overshadow both of them. The salad stays the same until you go for the Green Goddess.

And for the record: Sean is the plate presentation. All of the courses look incredibly pretty with garnish and all. But in the end you know it’s too frou frou for you. And Twilley. Well, Twilley’s the beer.


This is absolutely one of the best and most creative analogies I have ever seen. What a hoot!

Add to Jason, the buttered bread - oh yeah. Also, I got this mental image, and boy-heidi am I going to date myself with this one when I read the dessert description with Graham. Does anybody else remember the commercial, "I can't believe I ate the whole thing?" The guy has total indigestion and is completely miserable. Either that one or the old oil commercial where the guy says, "Pay me now or pay me later," but you are going to pay! That is the feeling if you play around (not with Graham specifically) with Graham types.

Got to hand it to the salad symbol though.....how many times in my life when a good old salad was just plain good enough? - Bloomers




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INSIDE THE OUTHOUSE:
CH: All right guys… good morning.
GUYS: Good morning.
CH: Just six of you left (Sean). Pretty amazing (Jesse) considering where we started (Jason). I know every week is big, but this week guys—especially important (Twilley and Graham). When it’s all said and done (Jesse) four of you will have the opportunity to take Deanna back to your hometowns to meet your friends and family (Jeremy). Obviously a huge step in any relationship (Graham). Because it’s so big (Jason), from here on out there will be no roses on any of the dates (Twilley). This week it’s gonna be a little different (Jeremy). You boys need to pack your bags (Graham). Deanna is taking all of you guys to an amazing exclusive resort in beautiful Palm Springs (Jesse raising his arms).

Note:The above camera shots pretty much set up the episode. The dialog the shots are paired with is interesting. And the CH dialog below regarding the RC pointed directly at Twilley and Sean’s last hurrah.

GUY: WooHoos, clapping, and requisite testosterone hand slapping. (Sean, Jeremy) Reminds me of the mental image I get of the estrogen that is floating around on this board at times. - Bloomers
TWILLEY: Nice. (Sean, Jesse)

CH: And remember what’s at stake at the next rose ceremony where I will see you guys next. Have a good one (Twilley, Sean).

SEAN PI: I’ve never been to Palm Springs and I am definitely looking forward to this. Honestly I am just looking forward to just more one-on-one time with Deanna
TWILLEY PI: Hey, this is the first time I am getting out of the Outhouse, so I am excited. But we’re down to six guys and I still have to find that connection with her so I mean, the pressure is on.
JEREMY (walking up the hill): Later bunkhouse, never to see you again.




INSIDE THE VILLA:
They enter the villa. Jeremy directly behind D. Jason and Jesse are close behind him. Curious. Jesse motioned for Jason to go in before him.
VO: Ohhh nice look at this place.
DEANNA: Cool huh?
Guys oooing and aahhhhing.
JESSE: Wow.
JESSE PI/VO: (Looks to be wearing the same blue t-shirt in the horseback SC) She knows how to pick her spots and where to take us. It is the most amazing massive house. It’s like living in the mansion away from the mansion. (Jesse takes a mask from the wall and puts it over his face.)

Note: IMHO this is a MAJOR MONEY SHOT. Who is the dude hiding behind the mask? And what is he hiding?) This is so subtle!! It is like something you would see in a cartoon which of course would go right over the top of most kids' heads. - Bloomers

DEANNA: So you guys get comfortable, get unpacked, and I’ll see you all later.
JESSE PI: I am almost scared to take her on a date when all this is done, man, hey lets go get popcorn and a movie. Ya know? - The editing could go either way here - does he win F1 and this becomes an option, or does she find out about the girlfriend back home, and consequently he will never have to worry about it? - Bloomers

D leaves the villa. The boys sit in the living room.
VO SOMEONE: No more Outhouse.
VO SOMEONE: Oh my gosh.
JESSE VO: So who do you think is going on a date tonight?
There’s a knock at the door.

VO SOMEONE: You get it, Jesse.
VO: Whoa.
JESSE OR SEAN VO: I call the date box, son.
JESSE: Oh snap! Look at this. (He opens the door and finds a small pagoda thingy with an envelope attached.)
SEAN: Lets read it, bro. Bring it in (Jeremy, Sean).
VO SOMEONE: Open it up, open it up (Jason looking pensive; Graham smiling).
VO SOMEONE: Dun dun dun. (Faux doom music.)
Jesse reads the card.
JESSE: “Sean (Sean nodding) let’s take our relationship to new heights. Love, Deanna”
GUYS: Wooooo.
SEAN PI: If tonight’s date goes well with me and Deanna, I know that I’ll be in that final four (Sean getting ready). I gave the analogy of kinda being a Kentucky race horse. I kinda hung back in the shadows for a while. I let a lot of people kinda sprint themselves out and I am ready to start making my move (shot of the date note). (Uh, yeah. That would be a move back home to Mama. Bravado meter alert.)

The producers have vicously set the guys up to look like over-confident buffons in the VOs this season - again as a result of the unseen producer prompting. Sean really gets the treatment here when her compares himself to a Kentucky race horse ( Kentucky being the home of the Kentucky Derby of course) - Bloomers


AT THE GONDOLA:
D greets Sean at the gondola station. (Just had to interject something. I went on a Palm Springs gondola many times as a kid. It was exceptionally cool!)
DEANNA: Hi! Did you have a nice ride?
SEAN: I had a wonderful ride.
DEANNA: Good.
SEAN: How about you?
DEANNA: Oh mine was perfect.
SEAN: (They hug.) Good to see you.
DEANNA VO/PI: At the racetrack Sean really did take the time to ask me questions about myself. He was like the late guy in the group, and I like the side that I saw of Sean, so I am really looking forward to getting to know him more.
D TO SEAN: We are going up there (pointing to the top of the mountain).
SEAN: Are you kidding me?


INSIDE THE GONDOLA:
Doesn’t look like D is digging their stairway to heaven. (Insert Led Zeppelin emote)
DEANNA: Oh my god!
SEAN VO/PI: Deanna is fearful of heights. Every time we hit a little bump or a little curve she screams out loud.
DEANNA: Oh my god!
SEAN VO/PI: And it’s moving fast. I even like the fact she tends to get a little scared that every time she would get a little closer, so I thought it was a perfect setting. (Second mention of perfection. Certainly wasn’t for D, though.)
DEANNA: Oh my god. Oh my god! (Followed by very distinct oooing sounds. This is sounding very Meg Ryan in the deli.)
SEAN: You’re alright.
DEANNA PI/VO: I squeezed Sean’s hands so tightly I thought I was going to break his fingers. (They exit the gondola.) I don’t think that Sean knew what exactly was going on this evening (no, hun, he probably didn’t because he was busy checking out your shirt to see if it was Vera Wang. Oops. I digress.), but Sean and I are having this romantic dinner at the top of the mountain and if I have this connection with him I will invite him back to my suite for dessert. (They walk up the trail and arrive at their dinner table.)


AT THE 1-1 DINNER WITH SEAN:
SEAN VO: Cheers to great evening. (Spoken while showing the sunset. For those tracking the sun/moon shots, the sun is just about to disappear behind the mountain.)
DEANNA: The other one-on-ones have always had a rose on it, you know?
SEAN: Right.

Note from my SO regarding Sean’s t-shirt: “No way that came from Nordstrom. I got one just like that at Target for eight bucks.”

DEANNA: And this one just feels so much better because you don’t have to worry about it, you know? We can enjoy ourselves, be ourselves, eat, and have a good time.
SEAN: Well, you know, my whole life I’ve taken risks but this is one department that I have never really took a risk and it’s because you’re afraid of losing.
DEANNA: Yeah.
SEAN: You’re afraid of getting hurt.
DEANNA: Yup.
SEAN: A few of the guys had said, they’re like: “You gotta be careful, you know?” Cuz I kept seeing I’m not getting any time. That’s just like, you know, I just kept… I was just trying to be patient.

Note: The second he starts yabbering about the other guys, D gets that “Oh-no-not-again-don’t-talk-about-the-other-guys look of death.
Note from Shrtswt2thpt: Sean is just as bad as Jesse, ya know, like, because, you know, like?

DEANNA: Yeah.
SEAN: I am glad that I did. I am glad it took the time, glad that it did, that I stayed mentally focused. You know, and the guys were like: “You gotta remember you’re walking around with a loaded gun. If you go up to the house you walk around with a loaded gun. It you go on a 2-1 or a 1-1 you’re walking around with a loaded gun, and you know what? I just finally came to the conclusion that I would much rather walk around with a loaded gun than no gun at all. (During the gun yabbering, D had the same Oh-no-not-again-don’t-talk-about-the-other-guys look of death—only much worse. Oh, and there’s a serious Guns n’ Roses joke in there somewhere.)

SEAN = CARD CARRYING NRA MEMBER
(Of course, he’s carrying a Gucci Beretta)

DEANNA: I agree. Good saying. No sense in doing the pathway. (D seems anxious to stop that convo and eat.)

BUT NO SUCH LUCK.

SEAN: No. Its like I would much rather go forward a 100 percent than not at all, you know?
SEAN VO/PI: So sometimes you’re afraid to put feelings on the line when you think there’s a risk of getting hurt. And I wanted to show her I am willing to risk my feelings even if it means maybe getting hurt. I am more ready than I have been as far as trying to find that special someone. And I just hope DeAnna’s it.
SEAN TO D: You know, I know that you got a lot of things coming up, but I think that… I’m just excited, I mean, if it gets to that point you get a chance to meet my family.
DEANNA: Yeah.
SEAN: And I just think that it would just be amazing. I think that if you were to meet them… I think you in said in the beginning you didn’t see a lot of connection or that we were different in a lot of ways
DEANNA: Um hm.
SEAN: Whereas I saw the opposite. I saw that we were alike in a lot of ways. (Throughout this entire convo. D is never smiling. She still has the Outhouse boys look-of-death glare.)
DEANNA VO/PI: I am definitely getting to know Sean better tonight. We have some of the same family values and about the fact that we’re both from Kentucky, and about the fact that he wants to be here. The date’s going really well and, um, and there’s a little romantic side to Sean. (Shot of them looking at the mountains and the sun has now gone down.)
DEANNA TO SEAN: Um, I actually have dessert planned for us. (Yeah. There’s a Versace logo on the crème brulee. You’ll love it, bro.)
SEAN: Nice. Nice.
DEANNA: Somewhere a little warmer.
SEAN: Even better. Even better.
DEANNA: Even better. (So bring your Hugo Boss windbreaker…) So let’s, um, we’ll go somewhere. We’ll get warm and we’ll get comfortable, and we’ll hang out a little more. (They toast wine glasses.)
SEAN: Sounds wonderful. (I’ll join you just as soon as I hit the tanning bed.)
DEANNA: And we’ll have sweets. You have a sweet tooth?
SEAN: I do.
DEANNA: Okay, good.
SEAN PI: Anybody can say words, but it’s actions where it matters. I think she needs to know that I’m physically attracted to her, and now is the time to make my move.


MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE VILLA:
There’s a knock at the door.
JEREMY: Oh I got it.
VO SOMEONE: Get the door.
JESSE VO: Dude its gotta be the date box and you know it’s gotta be a date for either Jeremy or Twilley.
JEREMY: Yes it is. It’s a date card.
VO SOMEONE (could be Jesse): All right guys, predictions?
GRAHAM: I am saying group activity.
TWILLEY: I say group date that excludes me.
JEREMY: Wow.
TWILLEY: I think it will be group date that will be you, you, you, you (pointing to the other guys).
JESSE: I will give you a group date, I’ll say it’s a group date or a Twilley date.
JEREMY: Alright, lets see what it is.
Jeremy glances at the card and throws a quick smirk in Twilley’s direction. Twilley is crossing his fingers when Jeremy reads the card: “Jesse, Jason, Graham, and Twilley (shot of Twilley, frustrated).
GUYS: Ohhhhhh…
TWILLEY PI/VO: The hardest thing about this experience for me is DeAnna has continually thrown curve balls at me. I haven’t understood a lot of her decisions. So at this point, I’m not surprised to be surprised.
Jeremy continues reading the date card: “I am looking for a man that can get down and dirty and have some fun in the sun.” (Camera goes to Jesse.) The guys all laugh.
GRAHAM TO JEREMY: So how excited are you though… (Pats him on the arm.)
JEREMY: (chuckles) I am pumped. I am really pumped.
GRAHAM: … not to see your name on that card?
JEREMY: I am pumped. I have to say, Twilley, I am glad it’s me and not you. (Geez. Rub it in more why dontcha?)
GRAHAM: (laughing and patting Twilley on the shoulder) Oh, man. (Twilley looks seriously bummed. The shoulder pat was a tad condescending.)

I have to say that when Jeremy made his remark, I winced and recognized it for being the intended negative editing that it was ( although it was probably perfectly natural to guys). I thought this was truly the first really bad thing that I could see that they had hit Jeremy intentionally with. I didn't pick up on Graham laughing. Twilley has said he and Graham were close, so maybe neither of those remarks bothered him like they did us. - Bloomers

BACK TO THE 1-1 DATE WITH SEAN:
They’re back at D’s mansion. Shot of a half moon in the sky. The bottom half of the moon is missing.
SEAN: Look at this… unbelievable! (They hold hands when walking outside.)
SEAN VO/PI: DeAnna invited me back to her place for dessert. I was like, man I feel so honored.
DEANNA: Cheers. (They toast.)
SEAN VO/PI: DeAnna is definitely marriage material, and I can say that without hesitation.

Note: Okay. It’s a personal quirk, but I’ve always had issue with the term “marriage material.” I mean seriously. What is that? Chick fabric? Ten yards of polyester wrapped around a pair of ovaries? SHAKING HEAD. (Pardons. Had to get that out of my gullet.)

* If that is so, make mine silk. - Bloomers


They share a chocolate mousse or such with raspberry sauce. (Sean is clearly checking for monograms.) (Insert Piper is Evil emote.)
DEANNA TO SEAN: So I’m curious to know what it would be like at your hometown?
SEAN: I have a feeling that that’s where I have an advantage. I think you’re gonna see that there’s gonna be a lot of the same values, a lot of the same beliefs… that you have. I mean, gosh my mom and my dad they live one street over from me.

At least he isn't one of those guys who still lives with his Mama??? This may very well be why Sean did not get a rose
- Bloomers ) BTW, He does have a beautiful home, though.
DEANNA: Oh wow.

Note: C’mon. Raise your hand if you think D’s thinking: “Oh crap. The in-laws would be in my house day and night.”

SEAN: I did that on purpose. (Because I wanted mom to do my laundry.) I feel like if you were to come to my hometown, I think the process is finished. (The look on D’s face is priceless.)

DEAD.MAN.WALKING.
BRAVADO METER JUST EXPLODED.
“This is my wife.” “The process is finished.”


Note to TallDede: It’s time to swack me one before I snark again. Thanks in advance.

DEANNA PI: Sean and I have a lot of things in common; we feel the same way about family. I think Sean has a lot to offer. If I were giving roses out on dates this week Sean would definitely have a rose at the end of tonight’s date. (So what changed that? She still could’ve given him a rose. This smells like a rose ruse.)

This does make DeAnna look bad, and I questioned the placement of the statement. I would have understood it better if the VO had been said before some of his revelations. - Bloomers

SEAN: Ya know, I mean, knowing what you want to get of this would definitely help, um, I guess where my feelings would be, ya know?
DEANNA: I want to end up with a man that I am crazy passionate about to where every day I am happy waking up next to him. I want the guy who fits perfectly in my family. I know my husband is here.

Note: Major red flag. She wants to be crazy passionate (there’s a Graham joke in there somewhere) She knows her husband is here. That’s a whopper. Has she made her choice already? If you eliminate emotions and just go by her actions, she is easily most drawn to Graham.

SEAN VO: Really?

Note: It seems this poor bloke took it as her saying it was him. AWKWARD. Paging Robert! “Can I kiss you?”

DEANNA: Umum.
SEAN: I’d say you are exactly what I need in my life. You are like the missing piece to this jigsaw puzzle of my life. Ya know?
SEAN PI/VO: I can’t predict the future and I don’t have a crystal ball. (But if you did have a crystal ball, I’d bet it was Swarovski.) I can’t say for sure what can happen, but I can say that I am definitely the type of man that’s willing to take that risk and then put all my heart and soul into it. I’ve put it out there, ya know? And it’s up to Deanna to choose whether or not this is something she wants.


IN THE HAMMOCK:
Sean and D are laying side-by-side, his left arm behind her head.
SEAN: It was a wonderful day.
DEANNA: I am glad that you enjoyed yourself.
SEAN: I have to tell you though, it was tough.
DEANNA: Why?
SEAN: It’s tough when you see everybody else like getting the opportunity to have, like, one-on-one dates, ya know? It’s like alright, hang tough, wait your time, ya know? It was tough. That was tough. (D makes a little exasperated ooooo sound and snuggles on his chest. He’s stroking her arm.)

NOTE TO SELF: I AM NOT A VOYEUR. I NOT A VOYEUR.


Yes - you- are-,and so and I!! If for nothing else, how can we study the edit if we don't look at everything closely? - Bloomers

DEANNA: It was a good night because I have gotten to know a lot of the other guys, and at the last minute I got to know you. (Choppy edit to this dialog.)
SEAN: Really?
DEANNA: Umum. That’s exactly how I felt. I needed tonight so that we could get to know each other.
SEAN: Really?
DEANNA: Umum.
SEAN: It’s you, baby. (They kiss. She opens her eyes during mid-smooch. She draws back from the kiss pretty quick.)
SEAN (whispering): Thank you, baby. (They kiss again. More like an extended lip merge. She opens her eyes during mid-smooch. Not feeling the chemistry between these two.)
DEANNA: You’re welcome. (Normal tone of voice as if ordering at the Taco Bell drive-thru.)
SEAN: I had a great time.
DEANNA: Me too. (… but living next to your mom and dad scares me…)
SEAN PI/VO: Tonight with DeAnna… I’m gonna be honest… it was, uh, it was about as romantic as it gets. I think tonight was in my favor as far as moving on to the final four and her coming to my hometown. If DeAnna is looking for a proposal at the end, (Shot of what looks to be over a three-quarter moon with dark clouds moving over it.) I think I am the man that can give it to her.

Note: Well hell, at least she would’ve likely gotten a ring from Tiffany’s rather than a no brand cubic zirconia from Woolworth’s. But the comment about “moving on to the final four” sounds like the NCAA semi-finals. Call this yet another in a series of dead.man.walking red flags for Sean.

Well, who would've ever thunk it bout ole Sean? Face cream....welll, alrighty, I have a step-daughter whose husband is a karate instructor (not on the level of Sean, but still...), and he doesn't do any of that stuff. - Bloomers


PROMO BEFORE BREAK:
CH VO: Coming up… it’s high adventure in the high desert. (Shot of ATV racing and helicopters.) But will Twilley ruin his chance at love? (Twilley fussing with the chopper door.)
TWILLEY: I am doing something wrong here. (Could this guy get a worse goofwad Keystone Cop edit?)
CH VO: And then …
JEREMY VO: Oh my god. (He and D in the convertible.)
DEANNA VO: This was Frank Sinatra’s house.
JEREMY: This is so awesome (shot of them dancing in front of the pool).
CH: A romantic trip into the past… (he dips her and kisses her) … until the singing starts…
JEREMY AND D SINGING: Some day…
D SINGING: I will [garbled] just thinking of you…
JEREMY SINGING: And the way you look tonight.

Note to Everyone: Never EVER take Jeremy to karaoke night at Chili’s. - How many lawyers do you know that would get up and do anything amusing in front of people? Props to him for even trying - and this comes from the Mom of a classically trained singer and a person whoself can only make the proverbial "joyful noise". - Bloomers

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I hope you can make heads and tails out of the replies I tried to insert. I didn't have time to get to part 2, but I loved, just loved part 1. Great job guys!!

[cheekychook]

SEAN: Ya know, I mean, knowing what you want to get of this would definitely help, um, I guess where my feelings would be, ya know?
DEANNA: I want to end up with a man that I am crazy passionate about to where every day I am happy waking up next to him. I want the guy who fits perfectly in my family. I know my husband is here.

What we didn't hear:

Deanna "...I know my husband is here---he was hanging onto the bottom of the tram as we road up the mountain and now he's behind that ficus plant---he's a little clingy, but he tries to be discreet about it---I like that in a man"

Sorry, the guy-threads are closed---I'm bored and getting silly.

[sfthrtd74]

Originally Posted by coltinfan

piper , you are awsome for doing this for everybody to read, the next i
get a hug or kiss i am going to think on the hug ok his arm is where oh
my this is not good or maybe it is.
and your red flags was right on imho. what does imuo mean?

I think it means in my utmost opinion...

[procheervet]

In my unbiased opinion?

[lynninatlanta]

Originally Posted by procheervet

No matter what Fleiss does with the edit from this point forward, he has created such uncertainty about his F1 that can be recovered from, we all are aware that there remain only 3 dates after the HTD's, and by editing Graham the way he did and Jeremy the way he did, he hung his F1 out to dry. I have to assume there is a reason for it that won't be presented until ATFR or perhaps beyond.

See I kinda think Jason has been edited to be alot of both - he's physically very very attractive, most importantly, he shows to have chemistry with D and vice versa, and he's emotionally invested, at least according to the edit.

So if he's the F1, I don't see him being hung out to dry at all. I think he's been given justice - it's natural to be a bit jealous when you're falling for someone esp. in this speed dating kinda world where he's having to watch the person he's into be with other guys that she's also getting to know and he knows it is ultimately her decision. IMO this makes them all very vulnerable, and D too.

Now I of course don't know (and am not invested in) who the F1 is, but to me, edit wise to this point, it's Jason, the all-around (again edit wise) best matched guy for DeAnna. Just my 2 cents...

[cheekychook]

Originally Posted by lynninatlanta

See I kinda think Jason has been edited to be alot of both - he's physically very very attractive, most importantly, he shows to have chemistry with D and vice versa, and he's emotionally invested, at least according to the edit.

So if he's the F1, I don't see him being hung out to dry at all. I think he's been given justice - it's natural to be a bit jealous when you're falling for someone esp. in this speed dating kinda world where he's having to watch the person he's into be with other guys that she's also getting to know and he knows it is ultimately her decision. IMO this makes them all very vulnerable, and D too.

Now I of course don't know (and am not invested in) who the F1 is, but to me, edit wise to this point, it's Jason, the all-around (again edit wise) best matched guy for DeAnna. Just my 2 cents...

What I don't get about Jason's edit is that, to me, it seems to be in a major slide. Initially he was the nice guy---everyone liked him, edit was sweet-dad/nice friend to the guys/cute with DeAnna. His 1-1 date shone like a star (ahem) particularly in comparisons to Graham's kinda fizzly 1-1. We watched him get all nervous before telling De about Ty and we all collectively said "awwwwwww"---even if he wasn't our favorite, we all liked Jason---and the edit showed the De did too. Then he got his alone-time in the house after Fred and Robert left. They showed us the sweet Jason, but they also showed us a teeny bit of an edge. Yes he comforted her and was very nice, yes he was gentlemanly, and yes, the kisses looked good---but the edit left pause---it showed the wheels turning in his head a little and touch of the goody-goody sheen came off his edited facade. Since that night DeAnna has been SHOWN to kind of leave him in the dust (so to speak)---she's wondering what it will be like to add Ty into the mix (btw, I think the VO/PI where she is saying that is done just prior to his HTD, and that is why there is no question as to "if" or "might" regarding Ty, as she knows she is about to go meet him---JMO, of course)...and then of course she LITERALLY LEAVES JASON IN THE DUST on the ATV date....and
then she leaves him again to go off with Jesse (who she is dying to kiss----so we go from holding hands with Jason directly to dying to kiss Jesse and straight on to snuggling and kissing Graham---no wonder Jason is wringing his hands by the poolside with Twilley---he's in limbo-land, and I ain't talkin' dancin')... Anyway, my point is, his edit is not escalating in his favor---at all. If anything, she seems to either be questioning him as F1 material, or she is just plain taking him for granted---I don't see any special connection, any blooming lust or passion, or any growth. Am I missing something?