Behind the Edit **SPOILERS**

[Phyllie]

A quick question. I know that astute sleuthers have already tracked caps and dates about Jeremy’s possible F3 demise. In the past, have they ever thrown out those types of “goodbye” SC to throw spoilers off the scent and still had that person in the F2?

In my experience they absolutely have done that. In caps of the FRC, you almost always see the "winner" looking sad or confused and the "loser" smiling.

Jeremy may very well be F3, but I don't think that big scene between Jeremy and Dee is his final goodbye.

[Google]

 

[PiperMaru]

Thanks, Phyllie. I appreciate the insight. Jeremy's edit is very complex and I'm still trying to wrap my head around it and digest all of the other wonderful info on this board. If I were to go back and transcribe eps one and two it would become that much more complex. He's a loaded gun. Also, we're not given nearly the amount of SC on Survivor as you folks get. Just a few scattered caps and then usually only those from the current ep and next scenes. And even those are sometimes massively manipulated.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by PiperMaru

So, here’s Graham’s edit under the microscope for ep three. I’ve taken a different tact on this one. His appearances are in the order shown as pulled from the transcript (I’ve left notes at the beginning of each section. Just my useless observations!) I pulled the promos together and those are at the end. Be curious to hear your opinions on how he’s being portrayed!


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CH: If you have an individual date you need to have your bags packed (Graham, Twilley).
RICHARD: With Graham moving in and me moving out I’m way behind the game (this spelled poor Richard’s doom right there. Strike one.[/B]****


You are cracking me up; it's like when you laugh at something you know you shouldn't, but gee it was funny.... and it just gets worse with the next one! - Bloomers


[B]IN THE MANSION:
Notes: In this segment he gets a pensive shot, a gratuitous ab shot, and an interaction shot with D. Three different sides. The good (abs). The bad (pensive). And the ugly (Jeremy dubbing him unsuitable).



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IN THE OUTHOUSE:
Notes: Interesting dichotomy here. Jason doesn’t single out Graham, the camera does by not showing him. Only Jeremy gets the girl. Only when Jason asks for Graham’s advice is he shown and then he responds in the negative. You don’t need “my” advice. (He didn’t. Jason did do well on his own.) This makes me think of Graham returning from his date with D. He said something to the effect that it was “nothing special.” Either that’s strategy, cluelessness, or his being overwhelmed. That was a huge red flag for Graham IMHO.


Amen to that....did he forget the camera was running? Did a tree fall on his head? What in the world possessed him to say that given his circumstances? Right there just about guarantees him in the edit that he isn't "Mr. ride off into the sunset" with her at the end of this saga. - Bloomers

. Oh, and does it not creep anyone else, the constant references to living in the Outhouse? It’s like they’re all packed into a Porto-Potty.



Two things here....on the prior 3 Bachelorettes, the guys had their own mansions. We heard that on the last one they trashed it, and ABC had a lawsuit on their hands. You know boys will be boys....and throw in all that beer
Second, the "outhouse" stark as it is in contrast to DeAnna's place and especially compared to the type of dwellings these guys are used to was guaranteed to produce drama. - Bloomers




AT THE DUDE RANCH:
Notes: Graham the non-conformist. No cowboy hat. And the shot of his staring at D’s caboose. Why single him out? Was he the only one doing it or was it to further their physical attraction? He’s shown on the bull and at the campfire confrontation. He’s a participant, yet decides to go rogue with Fred for the sneak attack. Was that just moral support? Because during that convo he’s just sitting there, head down, listening to them talk. What was the motivation for his accompanying Fred? Jealous of Jeremy? They’re talking about the other guys being buddies and here Graham shows up with Fred. Curious that.


When laid out the way that you have done it, we see that the editing is trying to show us that Graham's behavior is erratic and inconsistent. Of course, he is physically attracted to DeAnna but later we see that he is the one that pulls back from the kissing. - Bloomers


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ON ELLEN:
Notes: Graham is just flat busted on this one. They actually spend the most time talking about him and his communication issue. He’s also outted for his relationship history. This runs parallel to the next scenes, which save for the Beddingfield shot are entirely about Graham. His edit is somewhat vexing. On the one hand he shows as long-term potential F4. On the other, he shows to be tumultuous and gone earlier. Makes me think the only thing that saves him are his abs and the fact that ultimately she’s more physically attracted to him than others down the line. He could last longer by default. Leaving the Ellen stage he’s shown very pensive again before his PI. Obviously the chatter elicited his need to make a move.


Screencaps and other evidence indicate that Graham is F4. I can't remember another F4 getting this much attention before, and certainly not as much controversy as he is getting on the board. We are being told that there are different editors and primary producers on this show and B12 then before. Usually the edit that both Jeremy and Graham are getting would be more like the F2 contestant. However, the amazing physical attraction that she has for him guarantees a ride into the final 4 barring some kind of huge social error on his part. - Bloomers


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BEFORE ROSE CEREMONY:
Notes: . He’s clearly upset about the kissing conversation, which is interesting given he called their date “nothing special.” Wishy washy edit. He’s better during the alone time. At least he’s actually looking at her and touching her. But still. D’s saying she can’t marry someone she knows nothing about is a big red flag. Either he opens up or he doesn’t. The weirdest thing for me is the kiss. I wasn’t feeling it. She kissed him. He pulled back. And then she pulled him in again. Maybe the camera’s freaking him out or he’s shy, but that’s not a guy who’s over the moon for the hot chick. JMUO.



There are simply all kinds of problems here for Graham. Again, why in the world would he play down their date in front of the guys with the cameras rolling? The edit is just creating doubt upon doubt in this whole passage....
She states the obvious to him, and then when they kiss he pulls back! What???? It has been a long time since I was single, but that is not the way it is supposed to happen, folks! Something is just not right here. I would say that he is not feeling it, but then he turns around later and says that it bothers him to know that she is with other guys, so I would say that the edit is showing Graham to be "wishy-washy" ( thanks for the term ) in his actions. - Bloomers



BACK IN THE MANSION: Jeremy joins Ron, Graham, Jesse, Robert, and Jason. Rob asks how the one-one-one went. Jeremy answers that it was good. Someone asks about the kiss: “you kissed today.” Curious. Must’ve been a reference to Ellen. Can’t tell the voice but it sounds like Jesse. Robert definitely asks: “Was it a fireside kiss?” Jeremy won’t kiss and tell.[u] Graham is seething. D: There’s an undeniable connection between us, but I can’t marry someone I know nothing about. (She leans in to kiss him. He pulls back. She pulls him in again.)

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D WITH CH:
Notes: D’s comments on Graham come between Jesse and Jeremy. Totally my opinion, but I find that D’s efforts to mold this guy into Mr. Perfect seem extraordinary. It’s like the Florence Nightingale syndrome. I can save this guy. I can make him better. Better…stronger…faster. Oops. I digress. It’s like a shrink session. We made progress. Lets see how he does at next week’s session. Weird.



This was one of the most descriptive analogies I have ever read! I love it - simply loved it.....Florence Nightingale. - Bloomers


Graham: My main focus for the night was to get him to stop from being so shy and let his guard down. I feel like we made a good step toward that tonight. (D seems awfully determined to keep Graham in the game.)

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ROSE CEREMONY:
Notes: I don’t know if these are consistent to shots used in previous seasons, so I’m a bit blind here. I’m guessing the order is intentionally edited for effect or some other evil purpose. The camera shows Graham’s reaction to Twilley and Jeremy getting roses. Both times he’s in last position.


Different editors as noted earlier but in B11, B12, and Bach/ett4 ep#3 F4 rose has been given out last of the final 4 positions. - Bloomers


[
]GRAHAM[/b]: It remains hard for me.
D: That’s why when you and I have this time you can’t hold back.
GRAHAM: I didn’t. (Choppy edit)
D: It takes away from me and you.
GRAHAM: Sometimes I just don’t feel like it’s just me and you.


This line is eerily like the line spoken by Trista when she was F2 in Alex's B1. She kept reminding him that she wasn't the only one with him in the process.
She said, "It's not just you and me." - Bloomers

(Possessive and lack of control? Hmm…)
Beddingfield date. Looks to be Jesse as confirmed by SC.
OUTHOUSE PARTY NIGHTMARE: This just sounds wrong on so many levels
D: I put my whole heart into this (Robert) and only half of you (Graham) put yourselves out there (Jeremy, Brian). If you guys can’t handle it go home! (Alrighty then!)


There is the strong rumor that Graham asked to be let go, but that it will just be made through the editing to appear like she cuts him regularly at F4 in the usual manner. - Bloomers
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PROMOS:
Notes: I’ve pulled these out from the main text. Promo two is interesting. Graham is shown twice at the eleven and nine rose mention. And in the third promo Graham’s in the “lose the chance” shot. Interesting that. Lumped with Sean, Paul, and Jesse. Paul was dead man walking. Sean has virtually no edit, and Jesse’s the little devil. Could all of them lose their chance? The Graham/Paul/Sean/Jesse combo was shown each time. Ron, Twilley, and Jeremy once. No sign of Jason, Brian, Fred, or Robert.

01 PROMO BEFORE BREAK: Twelve men (Graham, Sean, Paul, Jesse). Only nine roses. Who will DeAnna choose to become her husband?02 PROMO BEFORE BREAK: Eleven men (Graham, Sean, Paul, Jesse). Nine roses (Graham, Jesse, Ron, Twilley).
03 PROMO BEFORE BREAK: (They keep changing the shots.) Eleven men (Jeremy, Ron). Only nine (Jesse) roses (Paul). Who will lose their chance to marry (Graham, Sean, Paul, Jesse) DeAnna forever?****

It is interesting that when they mention, "Who will lose their chance?" (at all?) they do not include Jason in the mix, but they do include Jesse. - Bloomers

I have tried this time to add my comments to yours in your post. I don't know if that is going to work, but we will see!

[simplechef]

The only thing I can say about the Jeremy edit is that he's not get a F1 edit. He's being portrayed as the "most hated guy in the house". That's never been the F1 edit. (last season, Robin most hated, travis's season, Moana most hated, Brad's season McCarten most hated,) most hated person never is F1. That doesn't bode well for Jeremy. In addition, the "hidden" one this season appears to be Jason... I'd give him best chance for typical F1 edit. Shayne is the exception to the hidden one edit. Plus, Jason has the best story line for the "overcoming all odds" win. Shayne had that edit, Tessa had that edit, Mary had that edit, Ian had that edit... It's a very typical Fleissan story line and one that works.

[Mike'sgirl]

Originally Posted by simplechef

The only thing I can say about the Jeremy edit is that he's not get a F1 edit. He's being portrayed as the "most hated guy in the house". That's never been the F1 edit. (last season, Robin most hated, travis's season, Moana most hated, Brad's season McCarten most hated,) most hated person never is F1. That doesn't bode well for Jeremy. In addition, the "hidden" one this season appears to be Jason... I'd give him best chance for typical F1 edit. Shayne is the exception to the hidden one edit. Plus, Jason has the best story line for the "overcoming all odds" win. Shayne had that edit, Tessa had that edit, Mary had that edit, Ian had that edit... It's a very typical Fleissan story line and one that works.

Well, De wasn't getting the best edit, maybe because of McCarten; but I agree!

The evidence suggests that Jeremy is F3.

[Capegal]

PIPER - thanx for your hard work - well done - now a question for your (or did I miss this already??) - where do you see Jason in all of this - per your transcripts and analysis??

[rvon]

I agree that to me Jeremy looks like he is getting the F3 edit, but the folks over at Joker's see him as F1. They believe something fishy is going on with his edit because they feel he and DeAnna have a much stronger attraction than Jason and DeAnna. There are all sorts of scenarios popping up over there.

[Phyllie]

This makes me think of Graham returning from his date with D. He said something to the effect that it was “nothing special.” Either that’s strategy, cluelessness, or his being overwhelmed. That was a huge red flag for Graham IMHO.

I couldn't find this...I watched all the Graham edits that cupcake put on youtube and I couldn't find it. To me, with his words and his actions he seemed kind of giddy back at the Outhouse after his beach date.

Maybe Graham thought he had it in the bag after the beach date and then got a little miffed when he realized Deanna was still test driving candidates. Since he wasn't playing the game to suit them, they decided to throw him under the bus.

[Capegal]

Originally Posted by Phyllie

I couldn't find this...I watched all the Graham edits that cupcake put on youtube and I couldn't find it. To me, with his words and his actions he seemed kind of giddy back at the Outhouse after his beach date.

Maybe Graham thought he had it in the bag after the beach date and then got a little miffed when he realized Deanna was still test driving candidates. Since he wasn't playing the game to suit them, they decided to throw him under the bus.

You may have to watch the real episode to hear/see Graham's comment about the date - I was bummed with what he said

[MiGirl374]

Originally Posted by Phyllie

One thing I did notice. The date on the beach with Graham. The one PI that was done right after the date with Dee in the same clothes from the date has her giddy and talking about how great it was. Two other PI's were both from much later in the process and she was wearing clothes that either haven't shown up yet on the show and were in unrecognizable rooms. I feel these were filmed either after the show ended or at least after Graham left and they decided to give him the "can't commit" edit.

Oooh, you're goooood! That was a great catch! I'm impressed.

Originally Posted by PiperMaru

A quick question. I know that astute sleuthers have already tracked caps and dates about Jeremy’s possible F3 demise. In the past, have they ever thrown out those types of “goodbye” SC to throw spoilers off the scent and still had that person in the F2?

Originally Posted by Phyllie

In my experience they absolutely have done that. In caps of the FRC, you almost always see the "winner" looking sad or confused and the "loser" smiling.

Jeremy may very well be F3, but I don't think that big scene between Jeremy and Dee is his final goodbye.

Hmm... interesting.