Behind the Edit **SPOILERS** - Page 109

telltheteach · 07-01-2008, 03:36 AM

Hi!

This is my very first post! I've been lurking since last season and I absolutely love this board. I wanted to post sooner, but it seemed like every time I had something to say, someone else said it first (and said it better than I could, anyway).

I know that for a while we've been speculating about the two roses we keep seeing in screen caps. I noticed tonight that Jason mentioned a conversation he had with Ty. He said he was going to try to get some more roses from DeAnna, and Ty said, "I want one!"

Just thought that was interesting to note

. Hope to talk to everyone soon!

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PiperMaru · 07-01-2008, 03:45 AM

Cheers, All!

Wow. The board’s busy tonight. Took a while to log on! Here be the loose and fast notes that I keyed in while watching. Red flags

and other assorted herrings and mirrors. This ep is absolutely loaded! (Check out the usual mentions of perfection, seriousness, the power of “three,” and the sun/moon shots! Oooo. And the sand dollar.) This oughta be an interesting when we get more detailed with the dialog.

So here’s what caught me in regard to the edit on first view:

* Repeated in the previews: Jesse’s kiss, Jason’s reunion with Ty. Meridith reiterating that the big bond between D and Jeremy is the loss of their mothers. (They’re at it again, Cheeky!)

* CH ON GRAHAM: “Until his mother confirmed her biggest fear,” and that “finding someone to last past four weeks is hard for Graham.” That coupled with: “This is goodbye forever.” Yay! This should leave them free to let D PI at the beginning of the show and purge Graham from the mix.

* CH: Deanna “tries” to find love on Grand Bahama Island. (Tries? Is she successful or not?)

* Jason is ready for love. “Thank you for teaching me I can fall in love again.” Red flag as a continued repeater.

* Jesse’s fantasy bluff. D “Are you for real?” (It’s just as real as real can be. Uh, huh. Is it really, dude?) Red flag as a contributor to his “real” edit.

****

* Yay! They did as I mentioned. Quick DeAnna PI to rectify Graham. “Graham was a Brad. He could not fully give me what I wanted.” But then: “Everything is up in the air because of Graham.”

Hmm…. Still leaving a bit of doubt. Naughty that. Wonder where that came from.

* BIG RED FLAG: Plane going overhead. Then comes Jeremy for his date. (Graham got the plane and he was dust.) And according to D everything is “serious” with Jeremy. She again wants him to cut loose. And then the bond they share. “Jeremy does seem to be pretty perfect.” (Okay now it’s just “seems to be pretty perfect” as opposed to just “perfect.”) Red flags going off all over the place. Methinks Jeremy waited too long to open up. The date was a tad tense.

* D telling Jeremy: “I’m trying not to be so serious.” Now that Graham’s gone Jeremy is pulling back. (They’re spewing a lot of doubt on Jeremy. Not a good sign.)

* Jeremy got the almost full moon, close up but not very bright! Lets see what else he gets, eh?

* Jeremy: “I would tell you that I’m falling in love with you. But that’s already happened.” Oh dear. His dream is that he’s down on one knee proposing to D. Oh dear. “He’s incredible and he’s perfect. And I’d be lucky to spend the rest of my life with him. I’m on cloud nine for sure.” Oh dear. He’s too perfect. This is gonna crash. It’s all or nothing for Jeremy.

* Jeremy’s date is JUST. TOO. SERIOUS. (methinks, sadly, it’s time to insert the dead.man.walking emote)

* D looking waaayyyyyy more excited to see Jason than Jeremy. Jason: “I’m going to get another flower from DeAnna.” Ty: I want one too!” Big honkin’ red flag. Huge even. Two for one. Three in total.

* Jason saying they were on their own “vacation/honeymoon.” Coupled with D saying she was glad Jason didn’t play it safe. Bodes well for Jason.

* Jason: I think we are a couple today. D: It was a different kind of romantic. Like there was nobody else there.

* The fact that they became in sync in the kayak. And how ironic that D mentions that they should go “straight.” As opposed to her mentioning that Jason was going “straight” during the ATV date. MAJOR RED FLAG.

* D: “I’ve always had feelings for Jason, but now they’re more intense.” Jason explaining his conservative part and his adventurous side. His two favorite subjects: D and Ty. “My two most important subjects right now. Without a doubt.” D saying: “Everything happens for a reason.” And Jason repeating it!!!! (And the mirror to Jesse’s mom) Red flag for the both of them.

* D saying CH gave “them” something. I think with Jeremy she said CH gave something to “him.” Jason tosses the card. He’s in it to win it. No hesitation.

* Jason gets an almost full moon—but it’s brighter than Jeremy’s and a bit further off. Jeremy’s moon, like his edit, was in-your-face.

* Jason’s willingness “to risk whatever it takes to spend the rest of his life with D.” Wow. Risking time away from the son is pretty big.

* OMG. The gift. The sand dollar necklace. The sand dollar by some interpretation is embedded in Christian lore and ultimately relates to inner peace. Jeremy didn’t give her a gift. “To really thank you for teaching me that I can fall in love again. Because I am falling in love.” WOW. Talk about a crescendo in the music. Huge swell in the music. “I’m falling for Jason…. Everything went perfectly.”

NOTE: One interpretation: The legend of the sand dollar, in addition to being saturated in Christian lore, tells of five white doves locked inside that, when cracking the surface of the sand dollar directly in the center, are released to fly away and spread peace throughout the world. FWIW. The sand dollar has five slits on the edge: D, Jason, and Ty make three. Add two more kids to the mix and you have five. D and Jason and three kids. RED FLAG.

* From where I sit, the Jason/D chemistry is ridiculous… dude.

With Jeremy she was apprehensive. The seriousness and the chemistry have to be counteracting his alleged perfection. If Jesse plays Mr. Perfect during his FD and shows more visible affection, then Jeremy’s had it. :cry

* D saying she needs Jesse to be “like” her boyfriend today. (Meaning she wants him to be more like Jason? Oops. Bad Piper. That one slipped out.)

* D wearing a red bikini for the date. Red for the F1 or just a rose to get to the F2?

* Jesse saying he doesn’t want the other two knuckleheads to take her away. He wants to take her home. (Gamer chatter. He’s sussing out the competition. Jason made no mention of the other guys. And I don’t think Jeremy did either.)

* JESSE SAID “RAD” AGAIN.

* Jesse trying to kiss her on the horse but missing the first try. Sorry…. I’m not feeling the smoochy chemistry.

* Jesse mentioning putting a big rock on her finger. Cubic zirconia or not?

* Jesse’s really nervous but when D asks why, it’s not about the marriage it’s about getting the rose. (Insert game player emote. Yet another sales pitch.)

* D referring to Jesse as “that guy” again. Okay, editors-from-Hades. THAT guy who does WHAT? I WANNA KNOW WHO THAT GUY REALLY IS. Harumpf… IMHO. We still don’t know Jesse. Something’s still off.

* Dude… get a vocab! Quit telling her she looks ridiculous and does “ridiculous” things. Yeah, yeah, I know it’s an urban dictionary fave, but seriously… she’s not an X-Games groupie…

* Jesse got the visible sunset speeding down fast into the horizon. They used the same speed-up technique in the sunbeam shot during his HTD when the sun also went down.

Will Jesse go down fast and hard? Or is their mutual love last after the sun goes down?

* Interesting. She tells Jesse she’s not sure about the baby plan. As opposed to Jason when she was hardcore firm with the three babies before thirty.

* The snowboard chat about relocating. D seems hesitant. Hmm… Jesse wants to be a Jerry Maguire? ROFL. to whomever caught that one! But it’s a big red flag for Jason. Jerry got the girl and the son.

* Ooooo. “You’re too good to be true.” (If it’s too good to be true, it usually is, dude. The perfection factor.) and “I’ve got her and now I’ve got to hold on to her.” (You’re 100 percent certain you’ve got her? Jesse thinks he’s won the game or is leading the pack. Red flag for another mention of his competition.)

* With the date card she says “she has something for him.” Jesse saying: “I don’t know if I can till I meet your dad.” D saying “are you for real?” Jesse the jokester. Does D like getting Punked? Are we being punked?

* Help me out here. I was busy honed in the dialog and couldn’t tell, but did Jesse get the more deluxe suite?

* Jesse: “Well, you choose me I hope you’re ready to marry me, cuz that’s where I’m at.”

Oh boy. There’s a whopper. Hate to say it… but it still came off sounding like a sales pitch. “Are you ready for those bucket seats and tinted windows, because I’ve got a sweet deal for you!”

(Handing out Cheetos to everyone…)

Jason mentioned the honeymoon in PI. Jesse spoke of marriage to her. The dichotomy is on.

* Interesting PI: She’s with Jesse but trying hard to focus on Jesse. The fact that the PI was shown at all, casts doubt on Jesse, no? Who was distracting her?

* Before the RC. Shot of the sun high in the sky and a palm tree with THREE coconuts. Red flag. Another threebie. This mirrors the “one-two-three-Go” shot and the mention of Ty also wanting a rose. RED FLAG.

* D assessing her choices after the FDs. Jeremy is perfect. Jason is one of the sweetest guys I’ve ever met. Jesse is “that guy” again!!!! Who’s she gonna ditch? The appetizer, the salad, or the entrée? Red flag for the repeat of Jesse being “that” guy.

* RC: When she said “I have to send one of you home” the camera went directly to Jeremy. (dead.man.walking.)

* Jesse gets the first rose. Hmm… Did you see the daggers that Jeremy shot Jesse? YIKES. What up with that?

* A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR JEREMY. Egads. He could barely make eye contact. I feel sick to my stomach. (Doling out Twinkies to y’all…)

* Yikes. Equal daggers from Jesse as D led Jeremy off for a chat. There’s something not right with that. Why is Jesse still checking out the competition when one of his biggest threats just got the boot? Why not look at Jason?

* D and Jeremy. “Jeremy you are perfect. I would be the luckiest woman in the world. I’m stupid for sending you home.” (That mirrors what she said about Richard on the DTA saying she was an idiot.) “But I just didn’t want to confuse that bond with being in love.” Not enough chemistry. Too serious. As surmised, the perfection was a ruse. Jeremy’s edit as we called it comes full circle. Game over.

* Jeremy: I don’t think I’ve ever had my heart broken like this. For the love of all things human! LYNN7 PLEASE GO HUG HIM.

* I need a drink.

* Wow. D approaching Jason and Jesse. Jesse looking up with the dagger face again. Jason looking straight up and laughing. I need a “something’s off” emote.

* D saying they get to meet her “big fat Greek family.” This mirrors her comment at Jason’s HTD. Jason laughs.

* Yikes. Jeremy stopping the limo. “I don’t want to lose another person that I love. I don’t know what I do from here.” This is gut wrenching. For a minute there I thought he’d run back in to find her!

* NOTE: I don’t know about you guys, but there’s STILL something wrong for me about Jesse’s edit. Everything he says still sounds like a sales pitch for the rose. His edit remains off. Yes, they played up his romantic side, but it seemed a bit in-your-face, didn’t it? The same intimacy D had with Jason seems lacking with Jesse. I don’t know. Have to mull it over. Jason’s edit took a big acceleration. The openness and the chemistry took off to new heights. He was the only guy shown to give her a gift. Perhaps the biggest red flag for Jason is Ty’s mention for wanting a rose as well. That one’s huge. Equally huge is D’s statement about Jason being safe and dependable. That’s precisely what she told Jesse during the HTD. That is what she’s looking for and she said “Jason’s THAT guy.” BIG BIG BIG.

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ON THE MTA:

* Who’s the most hated guy in the house? I’m guessing Jeremy.

* Yikes. Ryan. What an instigator.

* CH: In the end D will pick one of them (Jason or Jesse) to be her husband. (Not boyfriend or honey bunny—her husband. Red flag. She chooses someone.)

* I value my dinner. Please don’t show Greg doing the wolf howl.

* BOWING TO RICHARD AND FRED.

* CH: Clearly DeAnna was a woman worth fighting for. “Was.” Does that confirm she’s no longer in circulation?

* Jeremy: Twilley’s the little brother you never wanted.

* OMG. Equating Jeremy to Christian Bale in American Psycho? WOW. NOT. ROFL

* CH: Who was there to win her? (They all say Jeremy). Ron: He told us he was there to win her. (Well that was the right reason.) But this is a red flag for Jesse who’s been treating this process as a competition.

* They need to do something here to soften Jeremy later in this show. Sheesh. Camera keeps staying on Ryan being peeved. Wow. Is it really necessary to keep beating up on Jeremy?

* Ron: We weren’t there to win a prize… a piece of meat. (So who’s been playing the game like a true gamer? Jesse? Hello?) Red flag.

* D: I’ve never dated anyone who knows what I’ve gone through. (Ultimately, it looks like she still won’t. So that was a big red flag in reverse that paid off.)

* Jeremy: “I don’t just want her in my life. I need her in my life.” The “needing her” comment paid off. Sean said it and got the boot. Jeremy said it and got the boot. And booyah for Jeremy for being frank about his feelings.

* CH mentioning that it’s a “construction site” in here. Ha! Bloomers! Suza! ROFL. Construction alert!

* D mentioning that there were a lot of RED FLAGS with Graham!!! ROFL. Points for Piper, Lyb, Cheeky and my dear SO! :ROFL

* At the bench scene they eliminated the sound of the plane overhead. LOL.

* CH TO GRAHAM: “If you wanted it to be her. So why wasn’t it?” Hmm… Graham citing that he made a lot of effort for her. “You always took that chance to step back.” ROFL. Rehash of Graham’s mom calling 1-800-GREYHOUND. Graham: “Mom is pretty spot on. She knows me more than anyone else.” That says it all. So does this: “She put more emphasis on words than actions.” Why did Graham not open up? He was scared to go too fast. There’s the payoff right there. He wasn’t comfortable with the speed dating format… ever.

* What was in the letter? Pfft… nice of them to reveal it. Grrrr…..

* D: I know how hard it was to let “some” of you go. Not all of ‘em. Just some. Hee hee…

* JEREMY TO D: When did you know I was not the one for you? (It wasn’t until she got onto the FD date with Jason and Jess that she realized she was in love with them. Ouch.) “You were everything I wanted on paper.” Yikes. Life would’ve been perfect.” Game over. No, it wouldn’t have. Jeremy’s edit went down as we surmised.

* D: Graham was always “that guy” I couldn’t have. (Again a mention of “that guy” that mirrors Jesse. Red flag.)

* The dig about getting over her second guessing her decision. WOW. Oh geez… they’re still arguing. LMAO. Oil and gasoline on the fire.

* OMG. She outted Jeremy trying to kiss her at the mansion. And Paul with the bubble bath.

Okay… that was hysterical. Wonder if Paul was wearing the DeAnna undies?

* D at the BBQ: If you can’t handle it go home (shot of Brian and Jeremy). That shot paid off. Both got the boot.

* CH: In the end did you expect a little too much? It’s a bunch of “dudes.” Why’s she talking like Jesse?

* GAK! Ryan saying what she liked about Jesse was that he was laid back and hung around her. This guy just won’t let up. Nice of them to plant an instigator who D won’t have trouble forgetting but who she can easily be combative with.

Interesting though… no mention of Jason.

* Oh boy. Ryan’s Obsessive/compulsive OCD DeAnna in regard to Jeremy. Yikes. Interesting that Ryan chose to focus on Jesse again. Still mention of Jason. D says that all the time it was Jesse and Jeremy always sitting next to her. Not so. Jason has been in a lot of shots moving next to her. Red flag for Jesse in regard to the OCD comment.

* CH: Are you happy? Are you in love? D: I am in love. I am very happy. And I am engaged. Doesn’t get any more flag-like than that, eh?

* Oh crap. They showed the wolf howl.

RUNS FROM ROOM SCREAMING.

* D: Repeating “Who is that wild kid” and the repeat of: “Please don’t send me away, cuz I’ll cry on the plane, DeAnna.” And “it’s real. It’s as real as real can be.” Wild. Real. Plane. What’s that add up to?

* Jesse: He calls her “D.” “She’s the dream girl.” Okay. He says he’s falling in love with her and the quick sunset shot again. That’s three for Jesse in this week’s run. “Well, you choose me I hope you’re ready to marry me, cuz that’s where I’m at.” Red flags.

* On Jason: That she felt trusting about telling him about her mom. Flagging this for repeating again. She doesn’t have that same bond as Jeremy, but she told Jason about her mom. We haven’t seen her tell Jesse. So where’s their trust level?

* Big stuff here. D says that Jason is: “Jason is THAT guy that makes me feel safe.” “Jason’s that guy that will always be there for me,” And “The guy that finally know that I can depend on.” HUGE RED FLAGS. Jesse is just THAT guy. Jason gets the same but it’s coupled with being safe and who she can depend on. That mirrors what she said to Jesse during his HTD: that: “I need somebody to push me. I’ve never been able to fully depend on someone and really I want that.”

* Jesse is nervous during D’s family. Oh wow. Jason shows up at the same time. Could a kind soul please clue me in… is this proper procedure or a new twist?

* The repeat of the “one-two-three-Go” shot of D, Jason, and Ty.

* Jason tells D he wants to spend the rest of his life with her and again gets a bright almost full moon.

* Big red flag here. Jesse and D on the plane. What’s that? The fifth reference to the plane tonight?

* Okay. FRED. Cutest man EVER.

Those are the initial observations. Grey matter’s swirling a bit. Hope it makes sense.

In regard to the initial thoughts about the song lyrics. Jeremy’s “pick the wrong one and you lose” could well reflect his boot. She didn’t choose him. In his mind… she lost. Jesse’s plane lyrics are all over the place. And Jason… well, they repeated his Greek greeting to her out of the limo, repeated the mention of the big fat Greek family. “The only thing missing is DeAnna as my wife.” There’s food for thought, eh?

WeezerTheGeezer · 07-01-2008, 04:00 AM

Thank you, piper! I was anxiously awaiting your take on tonight. Surviving fishies okay?

I loved this part:
NOTE: One interpretation: The legend of the sand dollar, in addition to being saturated in Christian lore, tells of five white doves locked inside that, when cracking the surface of the sand dollar directly in the center, are released to fly away and spread peace throughout the world. FWIW. The sand dollar has five slits on the edge: D, Jason, and Ty make three. Add two more kids to the mix and you have five.

My pet peeve for tonight was when Jesse & Deanna got on their horses. They showed him already on his horse! What?!? No gentlemanly giving her a leg up?! Shame on him.

candimichele · 07-01-2008, 04:03 AM

Thanks Piper! I love reading these!!

JinxCat · 07-01-2008, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by WeezerTheGeezer

My pet peeve for tonight was when Jesse & Deanna got on their horses. They showed him already on his horse! What?!? No gentlemanly giving her a leg up?! Shame on him.

I am so glad someone else saw this, too.

chaslom4 · 07-01-2008, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeezerTheGeezer

Thank you, piper! I was anxiously awaiting your take on tonight. Surviving fishies okay?

I loved this part:
NOTE: One interpretation: The legend of the sand dollar, in addition to being saturated in Christian lore, tells of five white doves locked inside that, when cracking the surface of the sand dollar directly in the center, are released to fly away and spread peace throughout the world. FWIW. The sand dollar has five slits on the edge: D, Jason, and Ty make three. Add two more kids to the mix and you have five.

My pet peeve for tonight was when Jesse & Deanna got on their horses. They showed him already on his horse! What?!? No gentlemanly giving her a leg up?! Shame on him.

i have noticed a reference to 5 a couple of other times as well. Jason's conversation with Ty wanting 5 roses, on the way back to Jason's family from the park they were counting trees and Ty said 5. Couldn't figure out why the number 5 kept coming up.

chaslom4 · 07-01-2008, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeezerTheGeezer

Thank you, piper! I was anxiously awaiting your take on tonight. Surviving fishies okay?

I loved this part:
NOTE: One interpretation: The legend of the sand dollar, in addition to being saturated in Christian lore, tells of five white doves locked inside that, when cracking the surface of the sand dollar directly in the center, are released to fly away and spread peace throughout the world. FWIW. The sand dollar has five slits on the edge: D, Jason, and Ty make three. Add two more kids to the mix and you have five.

My pet peeve for tonight was when Jesse & Deanna got on their horses. They showed him already on his horse! What?!? No gentlemanly giving her a leg up?! Shame on him.

at least Jason opened the jeep door for her!

PiperMaru · 07-01-2008, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by telltheteach

Hi!

This is my very first post! I've been lurking since last season and I absolutely love this board. I wanted to post sooner, but it seemed like every time I had something to say, someone else said it first (and said it better than I could, anyway).

I know that for a while we've been speculating about the two roses we keep seeing in screen caps. I noticed tonight that Jason mentioned a conversation he had with Ty. He said he was going to try to get some more roses from DeAnna, and Ty said, "I want one!"

Just thought that was interesting to note

. Hope to talk to everyone soon!

Telltheteach!

Nice catch on the Ty rose mention. That one really clicked with me too. That’s one whopper of a red flag. I mean, why bring Ty into the mix yet again?

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeezerTheGeezer

Thank you, piper! I was anxiously awaiting your take on tonight. Surviving fishies okay?

I loved this part:

NOTE: One interpretation: The legend of the sand dollar, in addition to being saturated in Christian lore, tells of five white doves locked inside that, when cracking the surface of the sand dollar directly in the center, are released to fly away and spread peace throughout the world. FWIW. The sand dollar has five slits on the edge: D, Jason, and Ty make three. Add two more kids to the mix and you have five.

My pet peeve for tonight was when Jesse & Deanna got on their horses. They showed him already on his horse! What?!? No gentlemanly giving her a leg up?! Shame on him.

Weezer!

No fishy death. All alive and accounted for. Got a little worried during the MTA.

Isn’t that sand dollar a nice red herring? And the horse thing was weird. For the last two eps, Jesse has been the one helping D with her gear on the ATV date and during the snowboarding. Seems this time it went out the window. Subtle clue about Jesse’s imperfection?

Cheers, Candi!

Oh, and during the OCD chatter I had the sudden overwhelming urge to once again belt out:

Please don’t send me away, or I’ll misplace my trays, DEAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNA!

What an odd thing to bring up, that OCD thing. They had to have left that in as a mirror to Jesse’s edit, don’t you think?

chaslom4 · 07-01-2008, 04:31 AM

so Piper do you think they have showed enough for Jesse to be F1 or does it clearly lead to Jason? i just don't see enough for Jesse JMO

LBMissDani · 07-01-2008, 04:33 AM

Piper, I am trying to figure out the same thing. Im a huge Jason fan, but its so confusing at this point. Im not sure there is enough spark to go on with Jesse. Jason and De just seem to fit so well, its so sweet.

07-01-2008, 03:36 AM	#1081
telltheteach FORT Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: North Carolina Age: 23 Posts: 7	Re: Behind the Edit SPOILERS Hi! This is my very first post! I've been lurking since last season and I absolutely love this board. I wanted to post sooner, but it seemed like every time I had something to say, someone else said it first (and said it better than I could, anyway). I know that for a while we've been speculating about the two roses we keep seeing in screen caps. I noticed tonight that Jason mentioned a conversation he had with Ty. He said he was going to try to get some more roses from DeAnna, and Ty said, "I want one!" Just thought that was interesting to note . Hope to talk to everyone soon!

07-01-2008, 03:45 AM	#1082
PiperMaru FORT Regular Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 84	Re: Behind the Edit SPOILERS Cheers, All! Wow. The board’s busy tonight. Took a while to log on! Here be the loose and fast notes that I keyed in while watching. Red flags and other assorted herrings and mirrors. This ep is absolutely loaded! (Check out the usual mentions of perfection, seriousness, the power of “three,” and the sun/moon shots! Oooo. And the sand dollar.) This oughta be an interesting when we get more detailed with the dialog. So here’s what caught me in regard to the edit on first view: * Repeated in the previews: Jesse’s kiss, Jason’s reunion with Ty. Meridith reiterating that the big bond between D and Jeremy is the loss of their mothers. (They’re at it again, Cheeky!) * CH ON GRAHAM: “Until his mother confirmed her biggest fear,” and that “finding someone to last past four weeks is hard for Graham.” That coupled with: “This is goodbye forever.” Yay! This should leave them free to let D PI at the beginning of the show and purge Graham from the mix. * CH: Deanna “tries” to find love on Grand Bahama Island. (Tries? Is she successful or not?) * Jason is ready for love. “Thank you for teaching me I can fall in love again.” Red flag as a continued repeater. * Jesse’s fantasy bluff. D “Are you for real?” (It’s just as real as real can be. Uh, huh. Is it really, dude?) Red flag as a contributor to his “real” edit. **** * Yay! They did as I mentioned. Quick DeAnna PI to rectify Graham. “Graham was a Brad. He could not fully give me what I wanted.” But then: “Everything is up in the air because of Graham.” Hmm…. Still leaving a bit of doubt. Naughty that. Wonder where that came from. * BIG RED FLAG: Plane going overhead. Then comes Jeremy for his date. (Graham got the plane and he was dust.) And according to D everything is “serious” with Jeremy. She again wants him to cut loose. And then the bond they share. “Jeremy does seem to be pretty perfect.” (Okay now it’s just “seems to be pretty perfect” as opposed to just “perfect.”) Red flags going off all over the place. Methinks Jeremy waited too long to open up. The date was a tad tense. * D telling Jeremy: “I’m trying not to be so serious.” Now that Graham’s gone Jeremy is pulling back. (They’re spewing a lot of doubt on Jeremy. Not a good sign.) * Jeremy got the almost full moon, close up but not very bright! Lets see what else he gets, eh? * Jeremy: “I would tell you that I’m falling in love with you. But that’s already happened.” Oh dear. His dream is that he’s down on one knee proposing to D. Oh dear. “He’s incredible and he’s perfect. And I’d be lucky to spend the rest of my life with him. I’m on cloud nine for sure.” Oh dear. He’s too perfect. This is gonna crash. It’s all or nothing for Jeremy. * Jeremy’s date is JUST. TOO. SERIOUS. (methinks, sadly, it’s time to insert the dead.man.walking emote) * D looking waaayyyyyy more excited to see Jason than Jeremy. Jason: “I’m going to get another flower from DeAnna.” Ty: I want one too!” Big honkin’ red flag. Huge even. Two for one. Three in total. * Jason saying they were on their own “vacation/honeymoon.” Coupled with D saying she was glad Jason didn’t play it safe. Bodes well for Jason. * Jason: I think we are a couple today. D: It was a different kind of romantic. Like there was nobody else there. * The fact that they became in sync in the kayak. And how ironic that D mentions that they should go “straight.” As opposed to her mentioning that Jason was going “straight” during the ATV date. MAJOR RED FLAG. * D: “I’ve always had feelings for Jason, but now they’re more intense.” Jason explaining his conservative part and his adventurous side. His two favorite subjects: D and Ty. “My two most important subjects right now. Without a doubt.” D saying: “Everything happens for a reason.” And Jason repeating it!!!! (And the mirror to Jesse’s mom) Red flag for the both of them. * D saying CH gave “them” something. I think with Jeremy she said CH gave something to “him.” Jason tosses the card. He’s in it to win it. No hesitation. * Jason gets an almost full moon—but it’s brighter than Jeremy’s and a bit further off. Jeremy’s moon, like his edit, was in-your-face. * Jason’s willingness “to risk whatever it takes to spend the rest of his life with D.” Wow. Risking time away from the son is pretty big. * OMG. The gift. The sand dollar necklace. The sand dollar by some interpretation is embedded in Christian lore and ultimately relates to inner peace. Jeremy didn’t give her a gift. “To really thank you for teaching me that I can fall in love again. Because I am falling in love.” WOW. Talk about a crescendo in the music. Huge swell in the music. “I’m falling for Jason…. Everything went perfectly.” NOTE: One interpretation: The legend of the sand dollar, in addition to being saturated in Christian lore, tells of five white doves locked inside that, when cracking the surface of the sand dollar directly in the center, are released to fly away and spread peace throughout the world. FWIW. The sand dollar has five slits on the edge: D, Jason, and Ty make three. Add two more kids to the mix and you have five. D and Jason and three kids. RED FLAG. * From where I sit, the Jason/D chemistry is ridiculous… dude. With Jeremy she was apprehensive. The seriousness and the chemistry have to be counteracting his alleged perfection. If Jesse plays Mr. Perfect during his FD and shows more visible affection, then Jeremy’s had it. :cry * D saying she needs Jesse to be “like” her boyfriend today. (Meaning she wants him to be more like Jason? Oops. Bad Piper. That one slipped out.) * D wearing a red bikini for the date. Red for the F1 or just a rose to get to the F2? * Jesse saying he doesn’t want the other two knuckleheads to take her away. He wants to take her home. (Gamer chatter. He’s sussing out the competition. Jason made no mention of the other guys. And I don’t think Jeremy did either.) * JESSE SAID “RAD” AGAIN. * Jesse trying to kiss her on the horse but missing the first try. Sorry…. I’m not feeling the smoochy chemistry. * Jesse mentioning putting a big rock on her finger. Cubic zirconia or not? * Jesse’s really nervous but when D asks why, it’s not about the marriage it’s about getting the rose. (Insert game player emote. Yet another sales pitch.) * D referring to Jesse as “that guy” again. Okay, editors-from-Hades. THAT guy who does WHAT? I WANNA KNOW WHO THAT GUY REALLY IS. Harumpf… IMHO. We still don’t know Jesse. Something’s still off. * Dude… get a vocab! Quit telling her she looks ridiculous and does “ridiculous” things. Yeah, yeah, I know it’s an urban dictionary fave, but seriously… she’s not an X-Games groupie… * Jesse got the visible sunset speeding down fast into the horizon. They used the same speed-up technique in the sunbeam shot during his HTD when the sun also went down. Will Jesse go down fast and hard? Or is their mutual love last after the sun goes down? * Interesting. She tells Jesse she’s not sure about the baby plan. As opposed to Jason when she was hardcore firm with the three babies before thirty. * The snowboard chat about relocating. D seems hesitant. Hmm… Jesse wants to be a Jerry Maguire? ROFL. to whomever caught that one! But it’s a big red flag for Jason. Jerry got the girl and the son. * Ooooo. “You’re too good to be true.” (If it’s too good to be true, it usually is, dude. The perfection factor.) and “I’ve got her and now I’ve got to hold on to her.” (You’re 100 percent certain you’ve got her? Jesse thinks he’s won the game or is leading the pack. Red flag for another mention of his competition.) * With the date card she says “she has something for him.” Jesse saying: “I don’t know if I can till I meet your dad.” D saying “are you for real?” Jesse the jokester. Does D like getting Punked? Are we being punked? * Help me out here. I was busy honed in the dialog and couldn’t tell, but did Jesse get the more deluxe suite? * Jesse: “Well, you choose me I hope you’re ready to marry me, cuz that’s where I’m at.” Oh boy. There’s a whopper. Hate to say it… but it still came off sounding like a sales pitch. “Are you ready for those bucket seats and tinted windows, because I’ve got a sweet deal for you!” (Handing out Cheetos to everyone…) Jason mentioned the honeymoon in PI. Jesse spoke of marriage to her. The dichotomy is on. * Interesting PI: She’s with Jesse but trying hard to focus on Jesse. The fact that the PI was shown at all, casts doubt on Jesse, no? Who was distracting her? * Before the RC. Shot of the sun high in the sky and a palm tree with THREE coconuts. Red flag. Another threebie. This mirrors the “one-two-three-Go” shot and the mention of Ty also wanting a rose. RED FLAG. * D assessing her choices after the FDs. Jeremy is perfect. Jason is one of the sweetest guys I’ve ever met. Jesse is “that guy” again!!!! Who’s she gonna ditch? The appetizer, the salad, or the entrée? Red flag for the repeat of Jesse being “that” guy. * RC: When she said “I have to send one of you home” the camera went directly to Jeremy. (dead.man.walking.) * Jesse gets the first rose. Hmm… Did you see the daggers that Jeremy shot Jesse? YIKES. What up with that? * A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR JEREMY. Egads. He could barely make eye contact. I feel sick to my stomach. (Doling out Twinkies to y’all…) * Yikes. Equal daggers from Jesse as D led Jeremy off for a chat. There’s something not right with that. Why is Jesse still checking out the competition when one of his biggest threats just got the boot? Why not look at Jason? * D and Jeremy. “Jeremy you are perfect. I would be the luckiest woman in the world. I’m stupid for sending you home.” (That mirrors what she said about Richard on the DTA saying she was an idiot.) “But I just didn’t want to confuse that bond with being in love.” Not enough chemistry. Too serious. As surmised, the perfection was a ruse. Jeremy’s edit as we called it comes full circle. Game over. * Jeremy: I don’t think I’ve ever had my heart broken like this. For the love of all things human! LYNN7 PLEASE GO HUG HIM. * I need a drink. * Wow. D approaching Jason and Jesse. Jesse looking up with the dagger face again. Jason looking straight up and laughing. I need a “something’s off” emote. * D saying they get to meet her “big fat Greek family.” This mirrors her comment at Jason’s HTD. Jason laughs. * Yikes. Jeremy stopping the limo. “I don’t want to lose another person that I love. I don’t know what I do from here.” This is gut wrenching. For a minute there I thought he’d run back in to find her! * NOTE: I don’t know about you guys, but there’s STILL something wrong for me about Jesse’s edit. Everything he says still sounds like a sales pitch for the rose. His edit remains off. Yes, they played up his romantic side, but it seemed a bit in-your-face, didn’t it? The same intimacy D had with Jason seems lacking with Jesse. I don’t know. Have to mull it over. Jason’s edit took a big acceleration. The openness and the chemistry took off to new heights. He was the only guy shown to give her a gift. Perhaps the biggest red flag for Jason is Ty’s mention for wanting a rose as well. That one’s huge. Equally huge is D’s statement about Jason being safe and dependable. That’s precisely what she told Jesse during the HTD. That is what she’s looking for and she said “Jason’s THAT guy.” BIG BIG BIG. ** ON THE MTA:** * Who’s the most hated guy in the house? I’m guessing Jeremy. * Yikes. Ryan. What an instigator. * CH: In the end D will pick one of them (Jason or Jesse) to be her husband. (Not boyfriend or honey bunny—her husband. Red flag. She chooses someone.) * I value my dinner. Please don’t show Greg doing the wolf howl. * BOWING TO RICHARD AND FRED. * CH: Clearly DeAnna was a woman worth fighting for. “Was.” Does that confirm she’s no longer in circulation? * Jeremy: Twilley’s the little brother you never wanted. * OMG. Equating Jeremy to Christian Bale in American Psycho? WOW. NOT. ROFL * CH: Who was there to win her? (They all say Jeremy). Ron: He told us he was there to win her. (Well that was the right reason.) But this is a red flag for Jesse who’s been treating this process as a competition. * They need to do something here to soften Jeremy later in this show. Sheesh. Camera keeps staying on Ryan being peeved. Wow. Is it really necessary to keep beating up on Jeremy? * Ron: We weren’t there to win a prize… a piece of meat. (So who’s been playing the game like a true gamer? Jesse? Hello?) Red flag. * D: I’ve never dated anyone who knows what I’ve gone through. (Ultimately, it looks like she still won’t. So that was a big red flag in reverse that paid off.) * Jeremy: “I don’t just want her in my life. I need her in my life.” The “needing her” comment paid off. Sean said it and got the boot. Jeremy said it and got the boot. And booyah for Jeremy for being frank about his feelings. * CH mentioning that it’s a “construction site” in here. Ha! Bloomers! Suza! ROFL. Construction alert! * D mentioning that there were a lot of RED FLAGS with Graham!!! ROFL. Points for Piper, Lyb, Cheeky and my dear SO! :ROFL * At the bench scene they eliminated the sound of the plane overhead. LOL. * CH TO GRAHAM: “If you wanted it to be her. So why wasn’t it?” Hmm… Graham citing that he made a lot of effort for her. “You always took that chance to step back.” ROFL. Rehash of Graham’s mom calling 1-800-GREYHOUND. Graham: “Mom is pretty spot on. She knows me more than anyone else.” That says it all. So does this: “She put more emphasis on words than actions.” Why did Graham not open up? He was scared to go too fast. There’s the payoff right there. He wasn’t comfortable with the speed dating format… ever. * What was in the letter? Pfft… nice of them to reveal it. Grrrr….. * D: I know how hard it was to let “some” of you go. Not all of ‘em. Just some. Hee hee… * JEREMY TO D: When did you know I was not the one for you? (It wasn’t until she got onto the FD date with Jason and Jess that she realized she was in love with them. Ouch.) “You were everything I wanted on paper.” Yikes. Life would’ve been perfect.” Game over. No, it wouldn’t have. Jeremy’s edit went down as we surmised. * D: Graham was always “that guy” I couldn’t have. (Again a mention of “that guy” that mirrors Jesse. Red flag.) * The dig about getting over her second guessing her decision. WOW. Oh geez… they’re still arguing. LMAO. Oil and gasoline on the fire. * OMG. She outted Jeremy trying to kiss her at the mansion. And Paul with the bubble bath. Okay… that was hysterical. Wonder if Paul was wearing the DeAnna undies? * D at the BBQ: If you can’t handle it go home (shot of Brian and Jeremy). That shot paid off. Both got the boot. * CH: In the end did you expect a little too much? It’s a bunch of “dudes.” Why’s she talking like Jesse? * GAK! Ryan saying what she liked about Jesse was that he was laid back and hung around her. This guy just won’t let up. Nice of them to plant an instigator who D won’t have trouble forgetting but who she can easily be combative with. Interesting though… no mention of Jason. * Oh boy. Ryan’s Obsessive/compulsive OCD DeAnna in regard to Jeremy. Yikes. Interesting that Ryan chose to focus on Jesse again. Still mention of Jason. D says that all the time it was Jesse and Jeremy always sitting next to her. Not so. Jason has been in a lot of shots moving next to her. Red flag for Jesse in regard to the OCD comment. * CH: Are you happy? Are you in love? D: I am in love. I am very happy. And I am engaged. Doesn’t get any more flag-like than that, eh? * Oh crap. They showed the wolf howl. RUNS FROM ROOM SCREAMING. * D: Repeating “Who is that wild kid” and the repeat of: “Please don’t send me away, cuz I’ll cry on the plane, DeAnna.” And “it’s real. It’s as real as real can be.” Wild. Real. Plane. What’s that add up to? * Jesse: He calls her “D.” “She’s the dream girl.” Okay. He says he’s falling in love with her and the quick sunset shot again. That’s three for Jesse in this week’s run. “Well, you choose me I hope you’re ready to marry me, cuz that’s where I’m at.” Red flags. * On Jason: That she felt trusting about telling him about her mom. Flagging this for repeating again. She doesn’t have that same bond as Jeremy, but she told Jason about her mom. We haven’t seen her tell Jesse. So where’s their trust level? * Big stuff here. D says that Jason is: “Jason is THAT guy that makes me feel safe.” “Jason’s that guy that will always be there for me,” And “The guy that finally know that I can depend on.” HUGE RED FLAGS. Jesse is just THAT guy. Jason gets the same but it’s coupled with being safe and who she can depend on. That mirrors what she said to Jesse during his HTD: that: “I need somebody to push me. I’ve never been able to fully depend on someone and really I want that.” * Jesse is nervous during D’s family. Oh wow. Jason shows up at the same time. Could a kind soul please clue me in… is this proper procedure or a new twist? * The repeat of the “one-two-three-Go” shot of D, Jason, and Ty. * Jason tells D he wants to spend the rest of his life with her and again gets a bright almost full moon. * Big red flag here. Jesse and D on the plane. What’s that? The fifth reference to the plane tonight? * Okay. FRED. Cutest man EVER. Those are the initial observations. Grey matter’s swirling a bit. Hope it makes sense. In regard to the initial thoughts about the song lyrics. Jeremy’s “pick the wrong one and you lose” could well reflect his boot. She didn’t choose him. In his mind… she lost. Jesse’s plane lyrics are all over the place. And Jason… well, they repeated his Greek greeting to her out of the limo, repeated the mention of the big fat Greek family. “The only thing missing is DeAnna as my wife.” There’s food for thought, eh? Last edited by PiperMaru; 07-01-2008 at 03:53 AM. Reason: formatting

07-01-2008, 04:00 AM	#1083
WeezerTheGeezer FORT Fan Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: East of Hell Lay Posts: 226	Re: Behind the Edit SPOILERS Thank you, piper! I was anxiously awaiting your take on tonight. Surviving fishies okay? I loved this part: NOTE: One interpretation: The legend of the sand dollar, in addition to being saturated in Christian lore, tells of five white doves locked inside that, when cracking the surface of the sand dollar directly in the center, are released to fly away and spread peace throughout the world. FWIW. The sand dollar has five slits on the edge: D, Jason, and Ty make three. Add two more kids to the mix and you have five. My pet peeve for tonight was when Jesse & Deanna got on their horses. They showed him already on his horse! What?!? No gentlemanly giving her a leg up?! Shame on him.

07-01-2008, 04:03 AM	#1084
candimichele FORT ♥ Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,864	Re: Behind the Edit SPOILERS Thanks Piper! I love reading these!!

07-01-2008, 04:31 AM	#1089
chaslom4 FORT Fan Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: kansas Posts: 360	Re: Behind the Edit SPOILERS so Piper do you think they have showed enough for Jesse to be F1 or does it clearly lead to Jason? i just don't see enough for Jesse JMO

07-01-2008, 04:33 AM	#1090
LBMissDani FORT Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 21	Re: Behind the Edit SPOILERS Piper, I am trying to figure out the same thing. Im a huge Jason fan, but its so confusing at this point. Im not sure there is enough spark to go on with Jesse. Jason and De just seem to fit so well, its so sweet.