Behind the Edit **SPOILERS**

[momofc&h]

Originally Posted by ducky2

Here's the post I remembered seeing. Doesn't follow a true pattern, but it is kind of strange, that these guys were featured in an outtake and then gone shortly after. Probably means nothing.

Not so strange when you think about it...everyone ends up leaving but one guy out of 25!

[Google]

 

[cheekychook]

Ok, I apologize that I don't know how to quote multiple bits of post, so instead I have bolded the comments from Piper's post and then written my comments after each one. Piper et al, thanks for doing a great job once again! All of the following is JMO, as always...

NOTE FROM PIPER’S SO: (I didn’t remotely catch this) “Is it not a bit creepy that a twenty-nine-year-old guy is taking D back to his high school? Isn’t it curious that Jason shared Ty, Jesse and Jeremy shared their homes, but Graham only shared his parents and not anything more personal?”

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding---ladies and gentleman we have a winner---a round of applause for Piper's SO.

In my opinion Graham is still emotionally trapped in high school---I don't know him, so I don't know what has caused that, but I really think this is true. Did his first true love reject him in some way and he's never gotten past it? Was this the last time he felt in control of his life? Is this just what he sees as his "glory days" so he can't move forward? No idea, but something has this man trapped in the late 1990s. Flash back to Ellen interview when she asked the guys "and who has the shortest" (and no, ladies, we are not talking thumbs or thingies---focus!!) and Graham says "5 months" then he makes some comment about "since high school". So like I said---either rejection or unrequited love, or perhaps a longer term HS girlfriend who eventually broke his heart---don't know what it was, but man, has it done a number on him!


NOTE FROM PIPER’S SO: I’m quoting his rant: “Are you kidding me? The guy’s what… twenty-nine and mom still has a shrine to him in her house? Worse yet. He’s on a reality show and the best he can do is his old bedroom and high school gym? This is outrageous. D’s got a bad case of Hot Dysfunctional Male Syndrome—and in the end they always burn you.” (I love my SO!)

Your SO is definitely a keeper---perceptive, insightful SO's are a rare find. Just want to add that mom, while playing the proud mother, is also enabling Graham to live in the 1990s---sorry, Graham's mom, but I'm just calling them as I see them.

D: You handle things differently than I do. When something’s bothering you, instead of, talking about it, or telling me that it’s bothering you, you just run away.
GRAHAM: No… I handle it internally.

Um, Graham, the term you are looking for is Passive/Aggressive---let's try to say it together....

D: It’s funny how I’m always fine with this time with you, like, not having to say anything.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again---these editors are hard-core movie buffs---this time they've given us the "When Harry Met Sally" reference---Harry and Sally go out to dinner after they slept together the first time and they have nothing to say to one another---following a deafeningly awkward silence Harry comments "It is so nice when you can sit with someone and not have to talk...." Wasn't a good thing for Harry and Sally, and sure ain't a good thing for De and G.

GRAHAM: You are VERY entitled to your opinion… and you are more than welcome to… make it easier on yourself by thinking that, but that’s not true.

Aww, what a gentleman....NOT.
O. M. G. How gracious---he gives his blessing (in spades) for her to have an opinion, then immediately belittles her for the opinion she has, in effect placing all the blame for their "relationship problems" on her. Smooth.

GRAHAM: Obviously, you don’t see in me what you need to continue on. So your decision is easy now.


This guy is making my TMJ act up...this actually reminded me a teeny bit of when she shrieked at the guys at the outhouse "y'all are breakin' my heart...are y'all happy now???" Ummm, no they weren't happy then and her decision is not easy now....don't they know that the only place for sarcasm involving this show is on these boards??? Sheesh.

GRAHAM: I knew there were some things that I wouldn’t be able to say to you. So, I’d like you to keep this. You don’t have to read it. You can throw it away. Burn it. He drops it on the bench. Do whatever.


Passive/aggressiveness taken to new heights. You don't have to read it. Yeah, right---like that's going to happen. For weeks she's been saying (not literally, but clearly) "Graham, Please open up to me, please, it's all I want, please, please...." Now all of a sudden she's going to change her tune and say "oh, you wrote me a letter that may contain things you finally decided to open up and tell me---nah, I'll pass." HMMMM, not likely what would go through her head. What he's really saying here is "just want to make sure you don't forget me while you're busy dating those last 3guys---you can either be haunted by my mystical final written words...or you can be haunted by the fact that you opted not to read them and now you can't help wondering what it said---the choice is yours."

D VO: It was extremely hard to let Graham go, because I’m falling in love with him.
Cam shot of D back at bench, reading note, crying.
VO continues: My heart is breaking right now. All he had to do was open up. I’m tired of dating people that don’t know what they want. And now I’m scared that I’m second-guessing my decision.

Note to De: You're not second guessing yourself, honey, that's just Graham's skillfully planted seeds of doubt sprouting after being watered by your copious tears----stop watering them and they will wither up and die.

The last person who broke Jeremy’s heart was his mother. By contrast the last person to break Jason’s heart was his ex-wife. D’s last heartbreak was Brad. Two people with heartbreak due to a partner. One due to a parent.

Just have to come to the defense of Jeremy here for one second---best we can figure Jeremy lost his mother around 5-6 years ago, lost his father a year and half later (3.5-4.5 years ago), did 3 years of law school then took the bar exam (brings us to February) then went on the Bachelorette---in all fairness, not a whole heck of a lot of "free time for fallin' in love" and getting one's heart broken in the time frame. PLUS, Jeremy's brothers said "the LAST person to break your heart was mom"---not the ONLY person, just the most recent. We are not aware of anyone in particular ever having broken Jesse's or Graham's heart, so why is the fact that his mother's death caused his most recent heart break such a shocker/strike against him/red flag? ?? For that matter, since when did getting divorced and/or left by your spouse or getting your heart trounced on national tv become preferable precursors to romance than grieving the death of a loved one and waiting til you're ready before opening your heart to love??
Sorry, my rant is over...I feel better now.

Thanks again for the recap and hats off to your goldfish for the ultimate sacrifice he made in the call of duty to the FORT. May he/she RIP.

[MiGirl374]

Originally Posted by cheekychook

Just have to come to the defense of Jeremy here for one second---best we can figure Jeremy lost his mother around 5-6 years ago, lost his father a year and half later (3.5-4.5 years ago), did 3 years of law school then took the bar exam (brings us to February) then went on the Bachelorette---in all fairness, not a whole heck of a lot of "free time for fallin' in love" and getting one's heart broken in the time frame. PLUS, Jeremy's brothers said "the LAST person to break your heart was mom"---not the ONLY person, just the most recent. We are not aware of anyone in particular ever having broken Jesse's or Graham's heart, so why is the fact that his mother's death caused his most recent heart break such a shocker/strike against him/red flag? ?? For that matter, since when did getting divorced and/or left by your spouse or getting your heart trounced on national tv become preferable precursors to romance than grieving the death of a loved one and waiting til you're ready before opening your heart to love??Sorry, my rant is over...I feel better now.

Thanks again for the recap and hats off to your goldfish for the ultimate sacrifice he made in the call of duty to the FORT. May he/she RIP.

Oooh, yer good. Loved your post, Cheeky. As always, I agree 100%. (People are going to start thinking that I'm both Cheeky and MiGirl if we keep this up. How can two people be in agreement so frequently? LOL) I especially liked the bolded part. Well said.

[singintune114]

Incredible job, PiperMaru and Lyb5007! Thank you for putting into this awesome transcript what surely must have been a significant amount of your time. Can we buy the ice cream and twinkies next week? It seems like the least we could do!

A couple of my own notes...

NOTE: Nice mirror to Jesse's telling D to look at his eyes. See the "real" me...

Yes, and his eyes were covered by the mirrored visor, so she really couldn't "see" him. The real Jesse is still hidden.

I absolutely LOVED that Jesse had a cabinet labeled "CLEAN POTS AND PANS ONLY." That implies that there is a place to hide the dirty pots and pans...keeping the dirty stuff out of sight...hidden. A foreshadow for the revelation of the "real" Jesse?

I love the sparkle references in Jason's HTD. What else sparkles? Stars (twinkle, sparkle)...and diamonds?

Once again, Piper, I have to say how much I love your SO's comments! I think he deserves as well!

RIP

[suza19]

PiperMaru and Lyb5007 sending you big hugs, kisses, roses and thankyous for all your effort!
Let me just start off be saying, I literally had to stop sometimes when reading the TS because the WOW factor just overtook my thoughts! OMG and perception to the highest degree and included some great belly laughs. THANKYOU!


Like any good book anaylsis you need to always read it in context. How insightful as we are approach this episode that you've taken a look back, especially in regards to the songs the guys sang. Now the songs lyrics make so much more sense now and WOW factor coming into play here PIPER on how the songs were forshadowing their outcome and how cool that you picked that up.

Here are a few things you wrote that stopped me in my tracks

NOTE: Geez. How wonderful are Jesse’s folks? What’s interesting here is what my SO rightfully mentioned earlier—Dad’s profoundness. There’s a lot of depth to this man. If Jesse is just like him, then there’s more to Jesse that we’re not seeing. Intriguing is the comment that he stopped being his own person. That’s in direct contrast to Jesse saying that he’s himself and he doesn’t change for anyone. Well, he changed for Jesse…

(to the bolded)And if they are similar... then when that someone special arrives in his own life will he stop being his own person too? ...eg DeAnna.
BTW your SO got it right, Jesse's Dad is profound and an awesome man and loves his boy how beautiful is that!

NOTE: No doubt, what’s lacking in Jeremy’s environment to me is color. It’s all very white, muted, earth tones. There’s nothing wild that stands out aside from the red model motorcycles and orange porch chairs. This mirrors his seriousness. Jesse’s home was permeated with character. “The home is where the heart is.” Jeremy’s home is more serious. Gorgeous, but lacking character and color. If that’s a reflection of Jeremy, then the serious meter just went off again.

Jeremy shows her a wall filled with writings for his bar exam studies. (As compared to Jesse’s snowboards!) Oddly enough. It’s in his bedroom! Lives and breathes work? What’s on the wall is all the stuff he “didn’t know.”

WOW factor. In comparsion on whats on their walls, Jeremy had things on the wall that he didn't know. Jesse had things on the wall that he does know!
Graham too had things on the wall of the things he knows. She chooses someone who has nothing on their walls and if I remember correctly they didn't show anything of Jason's walls.
Isn't there a song about writing on the wall... or am I losing my mind
Did I use wall alot in this paragraph, or is it just me LOL

JASON: But you see where we’re coming from. It’s just an impression. I’m going to be guarded for you.
PATRICK: We’re just being cautious.
JASON: We’ll be there to pick up the pieces if that’s the case.
JEREMY: If that’s the case then I will definitely have you guys for that.
JASON: Because the last person that broke your heart was mom.
JEREMY: Yeah, that’s true.

OH Dear this edit scares me!!
I don't even though how to write this... but I will give it a try. Jeremy after the loss of his mother became a closed book. He doesn't open up to just anyone but with DeAnna he does, even literally opens his book to her. Just like his heart, it closed when his mother passed away and by the impression we get Deanna is the one he finally opens it up for. For him, he's putting everything out on the line for her and maybe he did just that for his mom too. Will De break his heart like his mom did.... Oh golly gosh, that's even too painful to think about because we know not by the edit so much but by the SC's that she does break his heart. I need a hardcore drink ... what do I do now, I don't even drink, OK quick pass me a diet coke

And then there’s the final shot of the segment (swinging Ty) where we’re back to the power of three. One. Two. Three. Go. A definite foreshadow to Jason making it to the F3. There’s a subtle triad theme building in this ep. How does it play out? Does her final decision include Jason and Ty making them a triangle? Is it hinting at a love triangle between D, Jason and either Jesse or Jeremy? Regardless. It’s there and it’s a red flag.

Yes, you have done well on picking up on the 3's... I would have totally missed all of them if you didn't mention it

NOTE FROM PIPER’S SO: (Who is still chuckling about this…) “I don’t think Graham’s mom threw him under a bus as much as she was trying to warn D off from getting involved with him. If anything… she threw her own husband under the bus!”

Tell SO to stop doing that I'm trying to concentrate ....

NOTE FROM LYB: I noticed that D sat on one couch with mom; while Graham sat at the end closest to D of an adjacent couch. D sat with her legs crossed, pointing towards Graham, but had her hands clasped together under her top leg. Did this position symbolize that her feelings for Graham keep her tied up ln knots, twisted into a pretzel?

Perfect! That's all we need a pretzel in the mix... doesn't a pretzel have 3 holes Just going with the theme

NOTE FROM PIPER:Egads. MamaGraham’s edit really has given away the endgame. Here’s the thing: regardless whether D genuinely dumped Graham or if he opted out and they chose not to show it, mom really got to the crux of Graham’s turbulence. And I have to give props to the editors, because what they tried to piece together for this HTD (albeit very choppy) is subliminally brilliant.

All this time, D’s edit has been painfully pursuing this Florence Nightingale storyline almost to the point that it becomes obsessively dysfunctional. D has this giddy schoolgirl crush and she just kept pushing and pushing a guy who was edited as having issues with the process, possessiveness, control, jealousy, and overall homegrown angst. So what would it take to snap D out if? Well… mom. Ultimately, who Graham is in regard to relationships didn’t come from Graham. The straw that broke the proverbial camel’s back came from mom: Graham hasn’t had many serious girlfriends, he hasn’t let people in, he’s lonely, he’s a loner. That IS confirmation from a viable source. Did that finally force the schoolgirl to ditch Justin Timberlake and focus more on Brad Pitt

WOW Factor, that my friend makes total sense... and the editors hit the jackpot by using his mom. Actually at the start of your post you mentioned how all 4 moms respond and advice they give to De. How intriguing that she takes mental notes and accepts motherly advice.

D PI: I don’t know that I can continue spending the rest of my life begging Graham to fall in love with me.

D: I am saying goodbye to the one person that I thought I was falling in love with. (Graham looking away, rubbing nose, grimacing.) That’s how hard this is for me… because the one person that I let my guard down and I was falling for, was not doing the same to me, (crying) and I can’t take the chance, that in the end I would be standing there, and you wouldn’t choose me in return.

GRAHAM: Oh, man!
(Bad splice to the next line)
D: When you leave, it ends here. (Looooong pause. D calming down. Graham looking down and away.)

From TB11 to this very point where she says, when you leave, it ends here, is where the editors are pointing out that she has finally cut ties from the her past.
At the end of TB11 we watch her get rejected by Brad, she even months later was holding on to any glismp of hope from him, she takes herself to hell and back, thinking of him everyday wondering what went wrong etc etc.
We finally see her take one big step in her personal growth. Even though its killing her and she is second guessing herself (because that's probably all she has ever known, guys like that, relationships like that) she is firm, and says NO MORE! And sending a thanks to Marlap who initally pointed this out. De wasn't going to put herself through the torture anymore and starts looking for a different type of guy!


The DeAnna has spoken!

Well ladies you have out done yourselves, you guys are too good!



If you noticed I'm still going with the 3 theme LOL

[muslady]

Again, Great job folks with the transcripts!! It sure sheds light on aspects of the show the viewer is actually unaware of while watching the show.

Since I am so behind this may have been discussed but I thought it interesting that Jason was a Braves fan being from Washington.


Mom asks D if she knows Jason is a sportaholic and how she feels about that. D asks Jason how she feels about sports and he tells mom that D puts him under the table. D says she loves baseball and Jason says he likes to go to Braves’ games.

[Lifeisgood2]

Originally Posted by muslady

Again, Great job folks with the transcripts!! It sure sheds light on aspects of the show the viewer is actually unaware of while watching the show.

Since I am so behind this may have been discussed but I thought it interesting that Jason was a Braves fan being from Washington.


Mom asks D if she knows Jason is a sportaholic and how she feels about that. D asks Jason how she feels about sports and he tells mom that D puts him under the table. D says she loves baseball and Jason says he likes to go to Braves’ games.

I am pretty sure that after Jason says she puts him under the table. She says I LOVE baseball. And we hear Jason saying something like oh what do you like to do for fun, oh I like to go to Braves games, referring to what DeAnna had said to him in response to the question about what she likes to do for fun. Does that make sense?

[muslady]

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood2

I am pretty sure that after Jason says she puts him under the table. She says I LOVE baseball. And we hear Jason saying something like oh what do you like to do for fun, oh I like to go to Braves games, referring to what DeAnna had said to him in response to the question about what she likes to do for fun. Does that make sense?

I was just surprised he wasn't a fan of the Dodgers or something out west as the Braves are in Georgia. I doubt he sees many Braves games in Washington.

[Lifeisgood2]

He is saying that DeAnna likes to go to Braves games, meaning she is the fan of the Braves.

[muslady]

Originally Posted by Lifeisgood2

He is saying that DeAnna likes to go to Braves games, meaning she is the fan of the Braves.

OK!! I thought he was being more specific!