Jesse **SPOILERS**

[Kresge]

Originally Posted by bizbachfan

seriously was not trying to call anyone out or show a discrepancy, I just know Jammie is close to Megan and that she would be accurate in the way she was telling it so making sure I understood, my point was not to discredit this, more to pose the question did he "text' her from a device they did NOT know about and email her from an approved device. bottom line is if Jesse was forced to break up by the powers that be than maybe he did not want to and is still waiting until he can to contact megan, just a thought and I do not expect sleuthers to prove anything at all, but the point of the thread is to discuss and conjecture and question, so it sometimes appears that way. thanks to both of you for sharing your info (K and J)

Hey Biz,

My post wasn't directed at you specifically, I was just using a generic example of how information can be attained and the details not be "perfect", yet that imperfection doesn't negate the truthfulness of the information.

I'm fairly new to the sleuthing business and this season has definitely been a lesson and a half for me! It's so hard to know what to say, what not to say, how much to say, who to say it to.......you want to share, but you never want to break a confidence either. Sometimes it's a bit mindboggling.

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[bizbachfan]

Originally Posted by Kresge

Hey Biz,

My post wasn't directed at you specifically, I was just using a generic example of how information can be attained and the details not be "perfect", yet that imperfection doesn't negate the truthfulness of the information.

I'm fairly new to the sleuthing business and this season has definitely been a lesson and a half for me! It's so hard to know what to say, what not to say, how much to say, who to say it to.......you want to share, but you never want to break a confidence either. Sometimes it's a bit mindboggling.

I understand, just wanted to make sure we were both on the same page, I might disagree with you but have total respect for your posts

[arappene]

I read this board alot and do not post much but whoever brought up this situation posted it for a reason and that was premedicated to me knowing that it would deface Jesse. I do not put much to words with out proof and the only people that truely know are those involved. That is what I know and I leave it to that.

[bizbachfan]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

How many of you actually think anybody including Megan could have stopped someone like Jesse from going on the show if he decided that is what he wanted to do? What do I think? Not a chance...it wouldn't have done her a bit of good to have disagreed if he got it into his head to promote his business and have an adventure at the same time - just my not very humble opinion.

I think that Jesse is most likely a determined and strong-willed young man who is given to taking risks. Sometimes if a risk is not well-thought out and is foolish, it will backfire. I think this is what happens.
However, while on this show he is most likely going to appear to be a cad who made a mistake that comes back to bite him in the butt, the likelihood is that in the odd way that sometimes happens, the negative attention will ironically enough gain him publicity that consequently turns into more business and prosperity, and thus Jesse will ultimately land on his feet once again.

No offense to Megan but it was in her best interest for him to go on the show and she probably figured he would not make it far, and would be back.

Jesse probably thought the same thing, no harm done, go on show, get some exposure, etc. but instead he developed a "connection" with D. Just by accident. Probably same way he accidentally fell for his "sponsor." Things of the heart just happen.

I certainly don't "bash" Megan, at all, she seems like a nice person but she and Jesse were playing in a volatile place (human emotion) No maybe she could not have made him not go on the show, but she could have said, well, I won't be a part of this deception and so we are no longer a couple, especially since you are promoting my product, how is that going to look?
does that make sense?

[bizbachfan]

Next, it is very notable that in the edit Jenni is shown making a big point of asking guys, "Have you ever cheated?" Obviously, this is a key point throughout the show beginning with the first night. Also note, that we did not see Jenni ask these types of questions of Jesse.
I believe that Jesse sidestepped Jenni in the same manner that he sidestepped DeAnna. He wanted to see how far he could get in the show, and to cop out to having a relationship would end his chances cold, so he probably said something similar to Jenni like he did to DeAnna: "I would end it before I started the next one."
At this point we don't know if Jesse considered the GF a "committed relationship" also he had not even kissed Deanna, certainly not Night 1, so why would he consider himself "cheating" Jenni was asking about things in the past, no was not he cheating on Deanna

[FableChild]

Originally Posted by bizbachfan

Next, it is very notable that in the edit Jenni is shown making a big point of asking guys, "Have you ever cheated?" Obviously, this is a key point throughout the show beginning with the first night. Also note, that we did not see Jenni ask these types of questions of Jesse.
I believe that Jesse sidestepped Jenni in the same manner that he sidestepped DeAnna. He wanted to see how far he could get in the show, and to cop out to having a relationship would end his chances cold, so he probably said something similar to Jenni like he did to DeAnna: "I would end it before I started the next one."
At this point we don't know if Jesse considered the GF a "committed relationship" also he had not even kissed Deanna, certainly not Night 1, so why would he consider himself "cheating" Jenni was asking about things in the past, no was not he cheating on Deanna

Biz - I like your objectivity. A lot of people are ready to nail this guy to the cross but you don't let yourself be influenced.

Just give me the facts M'am, just the facts!!

[Bloomers]

[quote=bizbachfan;3065494;]No offense to Megan but it was in her best interest for him to go on the show and she probably figured he would not make it far, and would be back.

Jesse probably thought the same thing, no harm done, go on show, get some exposure, etc. but instead he developed a "connection" with D. Just by accident. Probably same way he accidentally fell for his "sponsor." Things of the heart just happen.

I certainly don't "bash" Megan, at all, she seems like a nice person but she and Jesse were playing in a volatile place (human emotion) No maybe she could not have made him not go on the show, but she could have said, well, I won't be a part of this deception and so we are no longer a couple, especially since you are promoting my product, how is that going to look?
does that make sense?[/QUOTE]


Most certainly that is the most logical and decent solution to the problem. Obviously, they both made some errors in judgment

Knowing myself I would say, "This just isn't right. You go, and if you get cut early, then we will talk about you and me."
However, something tells me that I just may very well be underestimating the strength of Jesse's individual charisma and the effect it might have on someone who believes she is in love with him, and from all accounts that is what we are being told was the case with Megan.
I think I am going to cut her a little slack.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by bizbachfan

Next, it is very notable that in the edit Jenni is shown making a big point of asking guys, "Have you ever cheated?" Obviously, this is a key point throughout the show beginning with the first night. Also note, that we did not see Jenni ask these types of questions of Jesse.
I believe that Jesse sidestepped Jenni in the same manner that he sidestepped DeAnna. He wanted to see how far he could get in the show, and to cop out to having a relationship would end his chances cold, so he probably said something similar to Jenni like he did to DeAnna: "I would end it before I started the next one."
At this point we don't know if Jesse considered the GF a "committed relationship" also he had not even kissed Deanna, certainly not Night 1, so why would he consider himself "cheating" Jenni was asking about things in the past, no was not he cheating on Deanna

By coming on the show, he was indicating that he wanted a chance to start a relationship with DeAnna - in fact by being at the Meet N Greet he actually had already started that process of forming a relationship with her.
Now, if he already had a relationship in progress going on with someone back home, then to actively get involved in starting up a new relationship would be considered "cheating" on the girl back home. It would be considered deceiving to DeAnna because he did not let her know that he was already involved in a relationship. She believed that by the fact that he was on the show he was uninvolved and free to start up a relationship with her.

I don't see how you can see it as anything but dishonest.

[FableChild]

Originally Posted by kimmypie1

I did some digging and came across this on that website in question where his gf/ex gf is the owner:

"Tuesday, May 27, 2008
First Impression Rose: What the heck?!?!?!
With all the hubub around our little company about the Bachelorette and Jesse Csincsak being on the show impressing DeAnna Pappas every chance he can get, I figured I would use it to our advantage and get more hits on the website. Jesse Csincsak is a professional snowboarder for Zero Gloves, and is currently swinging from the vines of the Reality TV jungle. Hence the postings with both last names, more chances to lead you to our site. I've been asking for a raise for a little while and if I can show more hits maybe I'll get one.


To be honest we all had a bet that Jesse Csincsak didn't get past the first rose ceremony, he's not all that tall, and we figured he wouldn't even get into the mansion with DeAnna Pappas. However we're learning along with you watching this crazy show that he has more mojo than we all thought. Well one person did think he had more than others, but she's moved on to a different Cowboy, or should I say Indian?"

Okay, so how invested was she? Seriously?

[ligiacristi]

I'm shocked how some posters think I bashed Megan when I just talked about cheating physically or emotionally...
All I can do is wonder what really happened...the funny thing is, I think Jesse didn't know what he was getting into when "cousin" "friend" inscribed him in the bachelorette...I don't think he is the kind of guy who watches it...and he already said the first time he talked to DeAnna..."I didn't want to read it, I wanted to feel it", he already said he didn't believe in the show, he didn't think it could be real...probably he thought this was just another dating game, nothing serious, he wouldn't last that long , he wouldn't fall in love...
I already watched so many soap operas, films about this kind of situation....and the thing is, everybody hopes the girl will understand and forgive the boy if they really love each other....seriously, feelings are something you can't control, if you love someone, if you stop loving someone...that happens, specially when you're single and you're trying to find "the one".
And if he broke up through email or text, did he have another option while doing this show??????can he really have a serious conversation about what happened when he signed a paper that he won't tell anyone about what happened there???
But that's just my opinion....and it doesn't matter after all, it won't change the outcome of their stories, it won't change mine....