Jesse **SPOILERS**

[blue valentine]

Originally Posted by Ryvetted

I don't get how Megan is the victim.
Megan chose/arranged/allowed for this whole thing happen!
Would any of us trust our boyfriend to go on a dating show (that lasts for weeks) for profit? Let alone, allow it?
I think they got in over their heads and like the other poster said, they didn't realize the weight of the situation and things happened.

THank you! There are no victims here, I don't even think DeAnna is a victim because she clearly didn't have that much of a connection with him. She cut Jeremy at the f3 because she knew he was getting attached and she cared about him. She kept Jesse because she knew he wouldn't get that upset by getting dumped the way Jeremy would have.

Besides this Megan chick seems to be doing fine! She's peddling her gloves, tshirts whatever and has had exposure for her business. I don't really even think people are bashing her at all or think of her as "the bad guy" in this situation. I think people just aren't dumb and can put two and two together and see that this chick went along with everything and is exploiting this situation for her business. Some might say she got what she deserved! You play with fire you're bound to get burned. No sympathy from me at all.

There is nobody to feel sorry for here.

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[amy4bama]

Originally Posted by blue valentine

THank you! There are no victims here, I don't even think DeAnna is a victim because she clearly didn't have that much of a connection with him. She cut Jeremy at the f3 because she knew he was getting attached and she cared about him. She kept Jesse because she knew he wouldn't get that upset by getting dumped the way Jeremy would have.
Besides this Megan chick seems to be doing fine! She's peddling her gloves, tshirts whatever and has had exposure for her business. I don't really even think people are bashing her at all or think of her as "the bad guy" in this situation. I think people just aren't dumb and can put two and two together and see that this chick went along with everything and is exploiting this situation for her business. Some might say she got what she deserved! You play with fire you're bound to get burned. No sympathy from me at all.

There is nobody to feel sorry for here.

I agree with most of what you are saying (except maybe the bolded part). I do think there is a connection with Jesse and time will only tell if its enough for her to pick him...

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by Ryvetted

I don't get how Megan is the victim.
Megan chose/arranged/allowed for this whole thing happen!
Would any of us trust our boyfriend to go on a dating show (that lasts for weeks) for profit? Let alone, allow it?
I think they got in over their heads and like the other poster said, they didn't realize the weight of the situation and things happened.

How many of you actually think anybody including Megan could have stopped someone like Jesse from going on the show if he decided that is what he wanted to do? What do I think? Not a chance...it wouldn't have done her a bit of good to have disagreed if he got it into his head to promote his business and have an adventure at the same time - just my not very humble opinion.

I think that Jesse is most likely a determined and strong-willed young man who is given to taking risks. Sometimes if a risk is not well-thought out and is foolish, it will backfire. I think this is what happens.
However, while on this show he is most likely going to appear to be a cad who made a mistake that comes back to bite him in the butt, the likelihood is that in the odd way that sometimes happens, the negative attention will ironically enough gain him publicity that consequently turns into more business and prosperity, and thus Jesse will ultimately land on his feet once again.

[amy4bama]

Originally Posted by Bloomers

How many of you actually think anybody including Megan could have stopped someone like Jesse from going on the show if he decided that is what he wanted to do? What do I think? Not a chance...it wouldn't have done her a bit of good to have disagreed if he got it into his head to promote his business and have an adventure at the same time - just my not very humble opinion.

I think that Jesse is most likely a determined and strong-willed young man who is given to taking risks. Sometimes if a risk is not well-thought out and is foolish, it will backfire. I think this is what happens.
However, while on this show he is most likely going to appear to be a cad who made a mistake that comes back to bite him in the butt, the likelihood is that in the odd way that sometimes happens, the negative attention will ironically enough gain him publicity that consequently turns into more business and prosperity, and thus Jesse will ultimately land on his feet once again.

Well if she had disagreed with it (and we're saying they had a serious relationship) then she should have dumped him before he went. I wouldn't have let my boyfriend go...

Also I have said before I don't understand where all this "Promotion" stuff comes into play..I've said before that nobody (other than people on these forums) would know he was there to promote T-shirts or anything else. Its not like he has said "Look at my shirts" "Buy my stuff" or at least not that I've seen.

[stacerace]

Originally Posted by loveinallangles

Wow! I have been off for a while and just sitting back reading what you all are starting to see! I think if we are going to bash the GF we should probably make a thread for Megan instead of talking about her on Jesse's. I guess I really like the fact that we bash her, but I guess I have a problem with that for the fact that he is the one who lied. I told everyone way back that he would not kiss her till at least the home visit. I really don't believe that anyone know the truth to the GF except there was one. You all think he did not have access to phone and computer but he did as did all the other guys.
As I was told by a few of you was to stop with the GF subject (oh I am sorry the truth) so why don't we.
I think we should get the GF on the next show, so everyone can see the person she is..... From looking she is alot better of a person then me because I would have started talking before now!

Not to mention that Megan's friend posts here and has said that she is EXTREMELY hurt by what Jesse did to her. So, I have a problem with anyone bashing her regardless of whether she knew he would be dating D or not. My problem is with Jesse. Breaking up with a woman through text is as bad as breaking up through post-it note (ala Sex in the City). It's cowardly. Stand up and be a man! He should have broken up with her BEFORE the show. But he didn't because he wanted her "waiting in the wings" in case it didn't work out with D. I do not admire this at all.

[FableChild]

I'm still not even sure how much of this I believe. I agree there is some substance to it since said girlfriend knew he made it to F2 and people were posting about it before the show even aired, but it still could be a publicity thing. It's not so unheard of, a lot of companies do it. I know there are people here who are sure they know for a fact what happened, but (and no disrespect to anyone here), I'm still saying, you only know what you have been told. I personally haven't been told anything by anyone other than secondhand here on the boards, and I'm just not the kind of person to believe everything I read or hear.

....and after everything has been said and done, I don't think it matters one way or another because I think Dee was probably going to pick Jason anyhow, and I'm sure Jesse isn't losing any sleep over what we here at FORT think of him.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by jlccaz

I've posted this before, but bears repeating perhaps. The "show" has a very narrow definition of what it means to NOT be single: Committed and Intimate relationship.

Doesn't mean Jesse was sufficiently candid about his status and availability with Deanna and the GF at any point along the way, but it is interesting to note that boyfriends/girlfriends are not disqualifying.

Here is the eligibility requirement:

All applicants must be single. To qualify as "single" the applicant must not currently be involved in a committed intimate relationship, which includes: any marital relationship (whether or not the parties are separated or currently in the process of divorcing or annulling such marriage); any co-habitation relationship involving physical intimacy.

Be all that as it may, there is a very definite precedent for coming on this show with a boyfriend or girlfriend back home - especially if you make it to F2.

Rewind to Andrew Firestone's B3 season and consider Kirsten F2. She got all the way to Andrew's parent's home and was talking with his family. Someone "just happened" to mention something that tripped her up about the boyfriend back home. ( I was skeptical then, and I am convinced now that a producer or cast member prompted the family to ask just the right questions). The result was that the older brother isolated Andrew and informed him that Kirsten had the boyfriend back home. Of course, Andrew went on to choose Jen instead.)

Andrew, like DeAnna, came on to the show definitely saying that he was looking to find the person he hoped to marry. (He really did try!)
If the Bach/ette makes that claim, then how can we equate a contestant with a boyfriend/girlfriend in place as an honest or viable contender?
Granted, not often does a season produce a match that even makes it a year, but occasionally it happens. The possibility for a marriage, while unlikely, nevertheless is still there.
I believe that implicit in the contract is the idea that the contestant is currently uninvolved in a relationship.

Now, a couple of other things....we know that almost everything shown in the edit has meaning and is pointing toward the end result. Remember that Jenni was there at the Meet N Greet to help DeAnna because, according to DeAnna, she and Jenni had the same taste in men, etc. One of the men that Jenni picked was Jesse which meant that she and DeAnna would both be attracted to something in Jesse. It is that "something" which propels him to F2, more than the fact that he would take losing better than someone else.
Next, it is very notable that in the edit Jenni is shown making a big point of asking guys, "Have you ever cheated?" Obviously, this is a key point throughout the show beginning with the first night. Also note, that we did not see Jenni ask these types of questions of Jesse.
I believe that Jesse sidestepped Jenni in the same manner that he sidestepped DeAnna. He wanted to see how far he could get in the show, and to cop out to having a relationship would end his chances cold, so he probably said something similar to Jenni like he did to DeAnna: "I would end it before I started the next one."

Again, remember everything in the edit is there to point to the end result which means that this too is probably setting up the revelation of Jesse's deception.

So now we have Jenni's question of cheating, her pick of Jesse, DeAnna's question of cheating, and the very curious incidences where Jesse has failed to kiss DeAnna - once during an entire romantic date and again during a 1-1 time when she thought the time was ripe for it.

[Rubyrosette]

Okay, so this is just my opinion, but I don't really feel sorry for Megan IF all this is true. Look what she did to her husband!! He was married to her and not just a boyfriend. And now she is whining about Jesse breaking up with her over text or email?? She and Jesse were not married and it does not seem to have been that committed of a relationship. All this is doing is casting a shadow over Jesse and no one is 100% positive that any of it is true. I want to hear Jesse's side of things when this is all over with.

[Bloomers]

Originally Posted by Rubyrosette

Okay, so this is just my opinion, but I don't really feel sorry for Megan IF all this is true. Look what she did to her husband!! He was married to her and not just a boyfriend. And now she is whining about Jesse breaking up with her over text or email?? She and Jesse were not married and it does not seem to have been that committed of a relationship. All this is doing is casting a shadow over Jesse and no one is 100% positive that any of it is true. I want to hear Jesse's side of things when this is all over with.

Please, please don't think I am being overly facetious, but if I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath!!

[FableChild]

Originally Posted by Rubyrosette

Okay, so this is just my opinion, but I don't really feel sorry for Megan IF all this is true. Look what she did to her husband!! He was married to her and not just a boyfriend. And now she is whining about Jesse breaking up with her over text or email?? She and Jesse were not married and it does not seem to have been that committed of a relationship. All this is doing is casting a shadow over Jesse and no one is 100% positive that any of it is true. I want to hear Jesse's side of things when this is all over with.

The thing is that IF this is true, it's not going to bode well for Jesse when it comes to Deanna!

If the G/F cheated on her husband, then all I can say is what comes around goes around, but even so, if Jesse is in a serious relationship, i.e., saying the LOVE word, Dee is going to view this as cheating, and it's not gonna fly even if the girlfriend was someone who cheated. If they were just dating, then I personally can't see what the big deal is....as I have already said, Deanna is dating more than one person too.