Graham **SPOILERS**

[double_standard]

Originally Posted by Netcam

From the race track date, Jason has been talking with De in the house and he knows all about Graham and that she has a completely different connection with him. Jason is more worried about Graham than Jeremy. Graham has her if he really wants her and she might always be thinking of him if she ends up forced to pick someone else.

And this is exactly why Jason starts to emulate Graham, with the stubble and backwards baseball cap. Sometimes it was hard to tell which one it was in some of the scenes.

And this makes me realize that "good guy" Jason is just as maniuplative and coniving as "bad guy" Jeremy.

I really hope Deanna has seen the light and that's why all she's saying is that she's happy with the end, albeit the manufactured end. She succeeded in giving Fleiss his happy ending and now hopefully she can find the real happy ending that the structure of the show didn't allow her to have. She definitely needs to explore things further with Graham. And even if that doesn't work out, heck, she will have had fun!!

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[cape]

Originally Posted by shoepie

Deanna, he is just not that into you. This is what I see happening.

I was thinking that the whole time...she seems to always be grabbing his hand trying to do anything to get him to react to her...

I think if he really wanted to kiss her - he would have...

[Santana]

Originally Posted by shoepie

Deanna, he is just not that into you. This is what I see happening.

ITA! Even my husband, who got sat and watched it with me last night, said that Graham was so not attracted to her. What I don't understand is why it is so hard to believe that he just might not be feeling it with her? I mean, she is pretty but not unbelievably so and she turns from hot to cold rather quickly. She seems to need constant reassurance and I just don't think that is G's type. JMO

[drparoo]

Originally Posted by cape

I was thinking that the whole time...she seems to always be grabbing his hand trying to do anything to get him to react to her...

I think if he really wanted to kiss her - he would have...

I think Graham likes being desired, and I think he plays hard to get as well as any woman I know.

When I see that screencap of the hammock, I don't see a guy sexually interested in Deanna. She is completely turned toward him, yet he keeps his hand behind his head, only turning his head toward her. Even if this show isn't a good one for him, at some point he should be smart enough to know that he's got to try to connect with her. I would think that if he were really into her, he'd sacrifice his comfort, deal with the reality of the situation and do what he could to let her know he was interested.

I adore Graham.....but he's starting to frustrate me and last night I wanted to yell at him to just start dealing with things.

[sclilred1]

Originally Posted by double_standard

And this is exactly why Jason starts to emulate Graham, with the stubble and backwards baseball cap. Sometimes it was hard to tell which one it was in some of the scenes.

And this makes me realize that "good guy" Jason is just as maniuplative and coniving as "bad guy" Jeremy.

I really hope Deanna has seen the light and that's why all she's saying is that she's happy with the end, albeit the manufactured end. She succeeded in giving Fleiss his happy ending and now hopefully she can find the real happy ending that the structure of the show didn't allow her to have. She definitely needs to explore things further with Graham. And even if that doesn't work out, heck, she will have had fun!!

I completely agree with everything in your post.

It also strikes me as odd that some want to be hard on Graham for his "hissy fit" but it seems perfectly fine that DeAnna had not one but two of her own. Graham was told to open up to DeAnna and tell her what he was thinking and feeling, but when he does so he gets reemed for it. I guess some people are never happy. I personally find Graham's reaction to what all is going on and what he is feeling to be the only real, true way to handle the whole situation. Is he holding back some, he may very well be. Does he have a reason to, yes he does. DeAnna has a "connection" with several of the guys and in my opinion it would behove all of them to take a step back and re-evaluate everything. If they don't then all but one will be completely and utterly heart broken.

All of this is simply my opinion only of course.

[Santana]

Originally Posted by drparoo

I think Graham likes being desired, and I think he plays hard to get as well as any woman I know.

When I see that screencap of the hammock, I don't see a guy sexually interested in Deanna. She is completely turned toward him, yet he keeps his hand behind his head, only turning his head toward her. Even if this show isn't a good one for him, at some point he should be smart enough to know that he's got to try to connect with her. I would think that if he were really into her, he'd sacrifice his comfort, deal with the reality of the situation and do what he could to let her know he was interested.

I adore Graham.....but he's starting to frustrate me and last night I wanted to yell at him to just start dealing with things.

Interesting point about the hammock as well as just deciding to deal with the situation- isn't that what love is? Sacrificing something in order to gain even more? I mean, cmon- Jason gave up spending all this time with his SON and Graham is being pissy because she spends time with other guys during a reality tv show about dating other guys? Psssh...

[emusha]

Originally Posted by cape

I was thinking that the whole time...she seems to always be grabbing his hand trying to do anything to get him to react to her...

I think if he really wanted to kiss her - he would have...

i think he's very confused how to express his feelings and somewhat surprised about them, he seems very unsure of how much he is willing to expose himself (because of the process, past relationships, insecurities about her feelings for him etc). there may be many reasons for this but things he says such as: "I want this to be different...want it to be more, not just part of the bunch" suggests he has strong feelings for her. He also wants to be there for her when she is frustrated after the 2-on-1 and admits he feels very guilty after her outburst. however, he is being very selfish with his feelings and insecurities. It seems he is completely uncomfortable/inexperienced dealing with a mutual relationship and needs to take it really slow to develop the security. This makes sense since he has been single for a long time.

[drparoo]

Originally Posted by ilovemick

I married the guy that I thought was the best suited for me and i thought with my head. I am happy, but there were never those crazy, intense feelings and maybe we are okay with that because he may feel the same way.
I often wish we had that, and when I do see people with that I am envious.

Ok, I'm going to have to concede that I sometimes feel the same way. But you know what? Other people are envious of OUR marriage and have told me so. So I don't know what the "right" answer is.

I will say that, God forbid, if my husband ever should die, I'm not marrying again. I've had the solid, stable, good friendhip-based marriage already and it's been a good home for my kids. Next time I'm going to go find Graham and Jeremy and just have boy toys.

[procheervet]

My first marriage was that intense passionate thing, my current husband I chose with my head, don't get me wrong, my current husband is a wonderful man, but when the passion isn't there, the relationship is missing an important ingredient.

[procheervet]

Originally Posted by sclilred1

I completely agree with everything in your post.

It also strikes me as odd that some want to be hard on Graham for his "hissy fit" but it seems perfectly fine that DeAnna had not one but two of her own. Graham was told to open up to DeAnna and tell her what he was thinking and feeling, but when he does so he gets reemed for it. I guess some people are never happy. I personally find Graham's reaction to what all is going on and what he is feeling to be the only real, true way to handle the whole situation. Is he holding back some, he may very well be. Does he have a reason to, yes he does. DeAnna has a "connection" with several of the guys and in my opinion it would behove all of them to take a step back and re-evaluate everything. If they don't then all but one will be completely and utterly heart broken.

All of this is simply my opinion only of course.

ITA with both of you! Bravo