Graham **SPOILERS**

[Phyllie]

Things that make you go hmmm...

I think the Wizard Ron refers to is TPTB that pull the strings behind the scenes.

And with saying that, I wonder if his statement about Graham seeing something he didn't like had more to do with producer manipulation than it did the other guys. Hard to trust a process that you see is being blatantly directed by a puppeteer instead of the participants.

Not meaning to put words in Ron's mouth but it's what occurred to me when I reread his statement.

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[lora724]

Originally Posted by cupcakes

emusha...I just uploaded episode 4 for you...just search "Graham-Episode 4" or my username "cupcakes153"....enjoy...I have been receiving a lot of positive feedback, so thank you all for your comments.

1, 2 and 3, but no 4 that I see.

[emschuss]

Hey everyone!--This is my first post....I'm Emily from Delaware and just wanted to say how HOT i think graham is! I just wish he would open up to her and give DeAnna what she wants...

[lora724]

Originally Posted by emschuss

Hey everyone!--This is my first post....I'm Emily from Delaware and just wanted to say how HOT i think graham is! I just wish he would open up to her and give DeAnna what she wants...

Hi Emily! Welcome aboard.

IMHO I think Graham is open. He isn't holding back how he's feeling and even very affectionate toward her where it's appropriate, but he is also being true to himself at the same time.

[lora724]

Originally Posted by Phyllie

Things that make you go hmmm...

I think the Wizard Ron refers to is TPTB that pull the strings behind the scenes.

And with saying that, I wonder if his statement about Graham seeing something he didn't like had more to do with producer manipulation than it did the other guys. Hard to trust a process that you see is being blatantly directed by a puppeteer instead of the participants.

Not meaning to put words in Ron's mouth but it's what occurred to me when I reread his statement.

I have talked to another Bachelor from a previous Bachelorette series and he did tell me that some of these scenes take hours to shoot. For example, they have the cocktail party, then they pull the guys into a room and playback some video footage they have shot and then film the guys, either VOs or PIs.

I'm sure the Wizard he's referring to is Fleiss, I won't speculate on what he's referring to about Graham.

[emusha]

Originally Posted by lora724

1, 2 and 3, but no 4 that I see.

ohh me neither, just checked it...could u have placed it under private availability if such a setting is possible for youtube?

[KashatheDiva]

Originally Posted by lora724

I have talked to another Bachelor from a previous Bachelorette series and he did tell me that some of these scenes take hours to shoot. For example, they have the cocktail party, then they pull the guys into a room and playback some video footage they have shot and then film the guys, either VOs or PIs.

I'm sure the Wizard he's referring to is Fleiss, I won't speculate on what he's referring to about Graham.

The wizard Ron is referring to is Fleiss being likened to the Wizard of OZ.
Remember when Dorothy and Co. are in Emerald City to talk to Oz? They go to meet with him and ToTo pulls the curtain back and you hear:"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!!" That man is Oz.

[coltinfan]

Originally Posted by emusha

ohh me neither, just checked it...could u have placed it under private availability if such a setting is possible for youtube?

cupcake great and hot vedio of graham and deanne burning g love.
it was smokin and fantastic. if you havent seen it is so worth it,
especially if you are a graham fan.

[BachNoFoolMe]

Originally Posted by Secret

Thank you for this post! Unfortunately, similar to what happened with the previous edits you mention - Bettina, Danielle, Bevin, Susan, etc. to name a few - the writing is already on the wall that no matter what happens on the rest of the season, no matter how in love Deanna may seem with whoever she chooses as F1, there will be plenty of people who will be convinced that Deanna loved someone else and that the F1 is "second choice."

It's unfortunate and disappointing, but it happens quite often. Every season, people watch the same show and see the one true love story with different people, and they often feel very strongly about it. It's one of the intriguing things about this show. Is it purely due to the editing? Is it because of personal preferences? Is it due to the sleuthing? Is it a combination of the above? Who the heck knows. It keeps us on our toes, I just don't look forward to the post-Graham period on the show because I have a feeling it's going to get ugly around here.

I look at it this way....If Graham really wanted her he should of stayed. If Deanna really wanted Graham...then she should of moved Heaven & Earth to convince him to stay or she should of not let him go. It appears the two just couldn't seem to get on the same parallel path together; therefore, makes me question about just how much they wanted each other beyond the chemistry. IMO, it shows their communication & observation skills to each other were lacking bigtime.

[cupcakes]

Originally Posted by emusha

ohh me neither, just checked it...could u have placed it under private availability if such a setting is possible for youtube?

It doesn't show up yet when you search under "graham- episode 4" since i recently uploaded it....so instead instead search "cupcakes153"...and click on my name, it will be there. If you still can't find it, just PM me.