Graham **SPOILERS**

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Originally Posted by GrahamGal

I was just trying to reply to this post with the same point, but it got long and wordy so I decided not to. You summed it up much better that I was going to. I completely agree!

I am also new here and as you can see a big Graham fan!

Cute name GrahamGal! Welcome to FORT!

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[Kresge]

Originally Posted by marlap

You know, I'm thinking today Graham will leave in Palm Springs. I think the basketball bleachers cap is a red herring.

The episode description of Dee's date with Sean is not in keeping with her adamantly refusing to lead guys on (if she were about to let Sean go).

Plus, they've been building up to her letting Graham go for several episodes now.

We always see caps that we don't end up seeing the scenes for aired--I think the bleachers cap with Graham that makes everyone think he's F4 is form something else that we just never saw.

I think it's a Fleiss atom bomb.

Interesting though Marlap.

We usually do have caps that we never see, but they are always of something that could have taken place and just weren't show. When could a cap of De and Graham sitting in the bleachers in basketball jersey taken place during this season? I just don't see it fitting in any where but at a hometown date.

But, boy, it you're right, I know a whole lotta people will laughingly be saying "i told you sos" over that horse cap...

[GrahamGal]

Originally Posted by procheervet

To me it is just so glaringly obvious that this is the Graham and Deanna love story that I guess I am having a really hard time with the fact that she would continue on and choose another man. I know she does not want to repeat the HWSNBN debacle, and she is probably being pressured not to, but something like what we are watching happen between Deanna and Graham does not happen often and she should grab on and enjoy the ride! I feel like an intruder sometimes just watching them.

Exactly! I think in the end D does not pick either of the F2 and decides that she need to go try and work through it with Graham. She came on this show to find love and she cannot leave without it. No matter what the cost. I just don't see any other real lasting connections with these other men.

During this process it seems she may finally come to understand how Brad was feeling before and during the FRC.

[SophieMae]

I have been having some "What if" thoughts.

Actually to back up a bit. I have to agree with some of the previous posters who have mentioned the "love" word being thrown around way too much. In this case what we are really seeing is "infatuation". There have been epic volumes written about the differences between "love" and "infatuation". There is true "infatuation" between DeAnna and Graham.
If it were "love", there would be none of difficulties and differences that we are seeing. Yes, there can be "love at first sight", but it just keeps getting better and better. "Infatuation at first sight" doesn't get better. It actually goes down hill from there.

My "what if" comes in with Jason. If Jason is F1 as many of us believe, he will not settle for being the consolation prize. He is really astute and really knows how DeAnna feels about all this. I think if he had or has any inclination that DeAnna is settling for him and is really "in love" with Graham, he will not accept the final rose. He is a really smart (and caring!) guy.
I really could picture him at the end going, "I love and care about you. Because of this I want you to be truly happy. This breaks my heart, but I know your heart is really with Graham. Go find him. See if it can work"!

Now that I have that out of my system, I'll go back to Jason's thread and cheer him on!

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Originally Posted by procheervet

This is really very simple, not at all as complicated as everyone here is trying to make it seem, De is into Graham, Graham is into De, Graham cannot come to grips with the whole sharing concept. End of story. The only way this season could be salvaged for me is if Graham shows up for the FRC, anyone else is simply a second choice.

I'm a bit of a lurker but I had to give my 2cents worth.

Graham crashing the FRC would be interesting. Would be an interesting twist.

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Originally Posted by Broadway

The Men Tell All is not being aired this next week. It isn't being shown until it's proper spot in three weeks. What is being shown this week is a DeAnna Tell All type of show... but even that is an odd, first time event.

I find it disgustingly disrespectful to spin this that whoever is the F1 is there because of default. Graham is definitely getting the Bettina, Danielle, and even Bevin edit this season where there is always a huge fan base that has latched onto something and has convinced themselves that no one else is worthy. There's no point tearing down another contestant just because people want to fly against all evidence that indicates that your favorite just isn't the "winner" or chosen one.

I haven't been into this season until Monday night, when I first really sat down and watched the show (been in my own love affair) I've watched it in bits and peices and noticed a few things. When I saw the pictures, I though they were a bunch of tore-up guys, but the fact that Dee was into this guy named Graham I noticed but didn't care who she chose because I have no favorite and don't try to fit things in the way I want them. I look at life realistic. I am a very observant person, I pay close attention to things and when I see things I stand on it. I see that Dee is head over heels crazy about Graham and a few more people do too, but they are not saying the other guys are not worthy but are being realistic about a situation like this. The guys has stated themselves that their is a different relationship going on with Graham, they can see it and they are right there with them. Jason has said he is jealous of Graham and that he is falling for Dee but she is falling for another man. Things was too obvious Monday night, I kept thinking Fleiss isn't holding anything back tonight, if Dee chose anyone else than Graham, they have to feel real bad tonight. You would think he would tone it down for F1 sake. They didn't even focus on Jason, the main focus was on Graham even being a F4 (strange). If you feel Jason is the one she wants, that's fine. JMO

[surviorwannabe]

Originally Posted by Phyllie

Maybe the note DeAnna is crying over is from Graham and it says something along the lines of ...

I can't deal with the process but I love you. If you don't find what you are looking for, meet me at the top of the Empire State Building. haha.

That would be interesting.

Then again maybe it is letter from her mom. Maybe we are being "fleissed" she says every time she reads it she cry. so maybe it is editting.

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Originally Posted by procheervet

And this is why we are getting the edit we are getting, if Graham were F1 he would be getting an amazing edit right now, but he leaves at F4 so Fleiss has to put some negativity out there so we don't all scream and holler, unfortunately, no matter how he tries to discredit it, we all see what is there because it burns throught the screen and there just isn't that kind of red hot passion with any of the other guys

You are sooo right about that. It's so obvious that some of the Jason and Jeremy fans even see it, not to mention the other guys.

[WeezerTheGeezer]

Originally Posted by SophieMae

My "what if" comes in with Jason. If Jason is F1 as many of us believe, he will not settle for being the consolation prize. He is really astute and really knows how DeAnna feels about all this. I think if he had or has any inclination that DeAnna is settling for him and is really "in love" with Graham, he will not accept the final rose. He is a really smart (and caring!) guy.
I really could picture him at the end going, "I love and care about you. Because of this I want you to be truly happy. This breaks my heart, but I know your heart is really with Graham. Go find him. See if it can work"!

I'd be crying my eyes out at a scenario like that. And hoping that she sees the light and goes back to win Jason's heart back.

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Originally Posted by Broadway

I find it disgustingly disrespectful to spin this that whoever is the F1 is there because of default. Graham is definitely getting the Bettina, Danielle, and even Bevin edit this season where there is always a huge fan base that has latched onto something and has convinced themselves that no one else is worthy. There's no point tearing down another contestant just because people want to fly against all evidence that indicates that your favorite just isn't the "winner" or chosen one.

Thank you for this post! Unfortunately, similar to what happened with the previous edits you mention - Bettina, Danielle, Bevin, Susan, etc. to name a few - the writing is already on the wall that no matter what happens on the rest of the season, no matter how in love Deanna may seem with whoever she chooses as F1, there will be plenty of people who will be convinced that Deanna loved someone else and that the F1 is "second choice."

It's unfortunate and disappointing, but it happens quite often. Every season, people watch the same show and see the one true love story with different people, and they often feel very strongly about it. It's one of the intriguing things about this show. Is it purely due to the editing? Is it because of personal preferences? Is it due to the sleuthing? Is it a combination of the above? Who the heck knows. It keeps us on our toes, I just don't look forward to the post-Graham period on the show because I have a feeling it's going to get ugly around here.